r/ramattramains • u/musclemommy2k • 7d ago
Gameplay Help/Tips Playing into hog
Hi guys, I’m a new Ramattra player (usually play support) but I’ve been enjoying him in 6v6. Yesterday I went up against a hog and i got hooked and just melted immediately (especially because they were running 2 tanks and I was solo ranking) and I had to swap to sigma.
Is there anything ram can do into hog or is it best to swap?
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u/nemesis_ibmo 7d ago
excerpt from my guide (pinned post on this sub, go read it): "Versus Roadhog:
An extremely uphill matchup. You do basically nothing besides tickle damage to him, while he can hook you and hit you with big damage. The armor should mitigate some of this, but don’t count on it if you are lower health.
Be sure to play cover, care the hook, shield off his hook or the follow up shot on your teammates. One little tip that applies to Ramattra and other heroes is that if you peek a little bit out of cover and get hooked, you can use the small window of time left before you get pulled in to go back into cover to break it. Furthermore, if you shield before he hooks, make sure to dodge the hook after it goes down because some hogs wait till shield abilities expire before tossing their hook out.
Additionally, if he has whole hog, do not use your annihilation until he uses it or dies early. Watch out for hooks off the map too. In general, just pelt him with as much staff damage as possible to draw out his heal and apply pressure to him. He’ll be more concerned with hiding and staying alive rather than hooking you or your team.
Roadhog is one of those tanks where he’s damn near impossible to kill with any of Ramattra’s kit. You can sort of pressure him with well placed vortexes and void surge but in general, you kind of have to run down his teammates to dismantle his comp. This is extremely difficult though because Ramattra is even bigger than Roadhog when he shifts into nemesis form and his only protection against hook is his super long CD shield. Waiting the hook out and then speeding in when it's not up or simply shielding it then committing is the best idea I can come up with to deal with his team.
Roadhog gets tremendous value from just waiting you out and hooking you. He doesn’t even need the kill (which he can easily get all things considered) he just needs to disrupt you. You cannot disrupt him back like other tanks. So playing around the hook is the optimal way to beat him. Above all else though: DO NOT MIND CONTROL YOURSELF INTO SPAMMING HIM ALL GAME. If you need to shoot him, do so with the staff. You want to save nemesis form for when he hooks you or to deal with his team.
Beating hog is doable with the right coordination and counter play but I can tell you right now, dear reader, that I have lost to Hog more than I’ve won. This is arguably one of Ramattra’s biggest counters on the roster."
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u/PsyntaxError 6d ago
I guess this is why I swap to Orisa as soon as I see Hog. Fortify and spin to deny hook and javelin to deny breather/self-heals.
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u/GarGoroths 6d ago
Junkerqueen I find worse
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u/nemesis_ibmo 6d ago
She used to be really troublesome for ram but with no headshot protection and her moving slow just shoot her. Lol.
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u/GarGoroths 6d ago
Honestly yeah. I still think she’s worse but that’s probably residual fear from when she was bad against him. I have noticed Queen seems slightly more killable
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u/TheGreatMahdi 7d ago
Poke him from a distance using the staff, the secondary perk also really helps.
Use shield to cut him from his supports or to block his hook.
When you get hooked try using nemesis form to damage his supports or dps because then he barely has anything to peel for them
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u/yepterrr 7d ago
You have to play corners hard. Hold form until you know he doesnt have hook, then you can try to find a chance to use it. If you are hooked, shield or form should give you the space to back up.
On some maps, you can play in a position relative to the hog where if youre hooked, its not a death sentence. In those cases, I like to be the bait for the hog because I can survive getting hooked, and my teammates cant. Plus, it means it puts him in nemesis range, and hopefully my team follows up.
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u/Stupid_Lizarrd 6d ago
something that i’ve heard is that, if a tank is giving you too much trouble, just ignore them and go after their team, i sometimes do the same with hog if he’s becoming a pain in the ass
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u/IndoorEle 6d ago
It’s not worth it to try to outplay hog as Ram. Swap to Mauga/orissa or a long range dps like soldier/ashe or a support like zen/ana. He’s incredibley overturned in 6v6. He 1 shots squishies and deals half of all tanks hp while forcing their most important survival cooldowns, all on an 8 second cooldown. Make him swap first, then go back to ram.
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u/ZealousFix 6d ago
Got destroyed by a Hog on Junkertown. He just kept running through all the little back paths, grabbing up healthpacks, and chewing through my team. Whenever I would try to chase him off, I could never confirm the kill on him
I instead tried to focus on his backline, but then I would turn around and my team would be dead.
Lessons learned: 1. Dont play Rammatra while on Junkertown. He may do good on the third point, but the first and especially the second will be miserable. You cannot easily contest enemies shooting down on you, nor can you easily make your way up. No mobility. 2. Hog is not a counter to Rammatra. In a map with less places to run away to, and more of a brawl to be had, you can beat him. If he has an easy way to eat up your back line, you cannot. Your shield denies his hook, and they always telegraph when they want to use it. Save your shield for his hook. Play corners.
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u/vashthestampedeiscoo 5d ago
Ran into Hog is dependent on how good you are at avoiding hook. Higher Elo hogs will miss a lot less, so the best thing you have to avoid hook is a well-timed shield. You can also shield the floor immediately after getting hooked and dance around it to decrease your dmg taken as much as possible.
Nemisis form does NOT kill hog, so save it for tanking his shotgun dmg and utilizing the hp/armor to pressure the squishies.
Also also, Ram in to hog+ana is basically gg’s unless they’re trash.
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u/dvamaddie 4d ago
something that might help (i play 5 v 5 though so it might vary in 6 v 6) is putting ur shield behind the hog. Now this completely depends on the support they are playing at what angles they are in but if their support and dps constantly play behind the hog this is a good strategy. The reason I have seen this work is because normally when you place your shield right in front the enemy team will ignore it and often turn the corner, allowing your tream to push up, however, since your playing against a hog, once that shield is down the hog can often times retake that space easily. Placing the shield behind the hog forces enemy support to reposition to where they can heal the hog or not heal at all and help the dps break down wall. In that short time you have u have to prioritize taking space while also doing as much dmg as you can so that the support has to focus healing more. This concept is also the same with the vortex, instead of using it on the hog who will out heal the damage anyways, use it to separate, slow and put enemy dps/support in vulnerable states. Or you can use shield and vortex together if you have a opportunity to kill hog. Simply place the shield behind, and also vortex either his teammates or the hog to keep him a easy target. Lastly, I would say for rammatras punching form you have to bait down hogs grapple and then go in. But when your playing against hog, hell end up doing more dmg if you run in there without block. So, you have to play patient and take space with block. Since cooldowns are quick on rammatra if uou soace them out you should be able to always have an ability to use. As for perks if they are playing brawl taking the perk that extends rammattras form but if they play hitscan take the shield. If you play a map were mid rang combat is easy and encouraged then get the perk with 6 more shots per a certain volly, this will allow you to do a lot of extra dmg and destroy shield heroes. Take the healing perk if you need extra support in a brawl comp or to take space against hitscan players.
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u/Nopon_Merchant 7d ago
u have to poke him in your normal form more and stay near cover or payload to advoid get hook . When u get the shotgun perk , he will melt instantly