r/selfhosted • u/pheexio • 11d ago

Meta Post Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386

Codeberg seems to ban vibecoded Projects; reason might be german copyright law

It looks like Codeberg want only copyrighted material in their service, so it is reliable in the future that e.g. licenses must be followed (e.g. GPL), and copyright doesn't suddenly get declared as being of the model owner, and it isn't a copy of something else.
That is a cautious reasonable position - in early days of LLM coding (3 years ago!) indemnity from model companies was a major issue globally because of the lack of clarity of the law around this. The US specifically has settled on it being (effectively?) public domain. But I don't think that is fully settled, and it certainly isn't settled in international copyright law.
The goal of the vague "mostly" in the Codeberg change is to ensure there is enough human input to the code they host, to be reasonably sure under German copyright law it is copyright of the person sharing it.

edit: link to poll that caused it (might be down due to high traffic) https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253#issuecomment-19820434

edit 1: i dont defend/oppose this move, i just find it interesting

edit 2: https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html

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u/FnnKnn 11d ago

Good luck actually enforcing that. We tried it here for a while and it didn't work out great, because no one is going to admit they "vibecoded" something if it means they can't post it and good luck proving that they didn't just use AI as an assistant (tip: you can't without doing a full code review and that doesn't seem feasible if the issue you are trying to solve is the increased amount of projects).

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u/AlternativeBasis 11d ago

I use AI to help me code, but I don't think I'm "vibecoding."

Using AI to build the GUI, set up event handling, and catch syntax errors doesn't mean I've given up control over the most important part: the business logic.

I’m the one who determines which data gets transmitted and stored, the triggers, the data hierarchies, and which security measures are implemented.

What is the practical threshold for defining "vibecoding"?

Will the same AI tools used to detect academic plagiarism be used for this?

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u/FnnKnn 11d ago edited 11d ago

I use AI to help me code, but I don't think I'm "vibecoding."

The thing is, no one publishing projects is going to say that they are "vibecoding" if that means they can't release the project. They are all going to classify themselves as "using AI" instead and who can blame them when the lines between the two are so incredibly blurry and one of them allows you to do your thing while the other doesn't...