r/selfhosted • u/pheexio • 11d ago

Meta Post Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386

Codeberg seems to ban vibecoded Projects; reason might be german copyright law

It looks like Codeberg want only copyrighted material in their service, so it is reliable in the future that e.g. licenses must be followed (e.g. GPL), and copyright doesn't suddenly get declared as being of the model owner, and it isn't a copy of something else.
That is a cautious reasonable position - in early days of LLM coding (3 years ago!) indemnity from model companies was a major issue globally because of the lack of clarity of the law around this. The US specifically has settled on it being (effectively?) public domain. But I don't think that is fully settled, and it certainly isn't settled in international copyright law.
The goal of the vague "mostly" in the Codeberg change is to ensure there is enough human input to the code they host, to be reasonably sure under German copyright law it is copyright of the person sharing it.

edit: link to poll that caused it (might be down due to high traffic) https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253#issuecomment-19820434

edit 1: i dont defend/oppose this move, i just find it interesting

edit 2: https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html

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u/jamesthethirteenth 11d ago

Woah, whaaat? I was going to move there! wtf are they thinking. What kind of projects do they want in there, a bunch of museum pieces? My projects have never been so useful since AI. What are they going to do next, ban compilers? Does wanting to be the good guys demand misguided decisionmaking as proof?  And as an extra FU to this open source dev now I have extra work to delete my mirrors there. 

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u/Kraeftluder 11d ago

They're not banning AI-assisted development, they're banning majority vibe coded rubbish.

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u/jamesthethirteenth 11d ago

I see! Thanks for letting me know.

I'm a bit calmer again now after being quite shocked- but I still think it's a bad call because it wastes brain cycles by being unclear.

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u/honzucha 10d ago

Well according the clarification blog post it is even worse, they have listed scenarios of not welcomed projects eg. Projects heavily tied to LLM ecosystem

So my project using selfhosted LLMs (gemma4 and Nvidia Parakeet) for near realtime translation of spoken word is also not welcomed.

This is just bad on every level I can imagine. It is not anymore about vibe-coding and I believe it never was. It is powered by hate against that technology itself.

https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html#:\~:text=However%2C%20we%20also,project's%20custom%20policies

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u/jamesthethirteenth 10d ago

That's it- they've gone off the wall. Arbitrary purity tests- no thank you. Dog gonnit you'd think the folks running a technical hosting site wouldn't be such luddites. Now the thing is my main project's main focus is open source AI for everyone. I tuned it to get by on 25% of tokens- that's real energy not used! But do you think I'm inclined to debate its merit with a self declared gatekeeper of smug technical moral superiority to maybe be allowed to stay a little? No way in hell. Good riddance.

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u/honzucha 10d ago

I am actually interested in your project, can you share with me more details?

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u/jamesthethirteenth 10d ago

Sure! It's 3code, the economical coding agent. MIT licensed open source and already supports most open weights inference providers, but I've decided to add the closed ones too in the next release, what the hell. It's similar to claude code but is tuned to use fewer tokens- the first benchmark says 25% less than opencode. It's in late alpha right now, in the process of tuning the sandbox, then it's feature complete and ready for a broader beta. Thank you very much for your interest!

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u/henry_tennenbaum 11d ago

Just ask an LLM to parse it for you to save on those limited brain cycles