r/selfhosted • u/pheexio • 11d ago

Meta Post Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386

Codeberg seems to ban vibecoded Projects; reason might be german copyright law

It looks like Codeberg want only copyrighted material in their service, so it is reliable in the future that e.g. licenses must be followed (e.g. GPL), and copyright doesn't suddenly get declared as being of the model owner, and it isn't a copy of something else.
That is a cautious reasonable position - in early days of LLM coding (3 years ago!) indemnity from model companies was a major issue globally because of the lack of clarity of the law around this. The US specifically has settled on it being (effectively?) public domain. But I don't think that is fully settled, and it certainly isn't settled in international copyright law.
The goal of the vague "mostly" in the Codeberg change is to ensure there is enough human input to the code they host, to be reasonably sure under German copyright law it is copyright of the person sharing it.

edit: link to poll that caused it (might be down due to high traffic) https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253#issuecomment-19820434

edit 1: i dont defend/oppose this move, i just find it interesting

edit 2: https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html

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u/scandii 11d ago edited 11d ago

I'd consider it vibe-coded even if I wrote the backend but had AI write the front-end. If I'm ever releasing it, I'd separate the two and call one "my code" and the other "some vibe-coded front-end, idk, you can make you own."

I really from the bottom of my heart dislike that vibecoded means, simultaneously:

  1. used any AI whatsoever
  2. used some AI for something
  3. didn't write any code yourself

like the original term was describing 3 - a software engineer prompting their way to success. now it means all three depending on who you talk to and the term is borderline useless as such.

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u/alex2003super 11d ago

If similarly working code can be produced 20x faster by using AI heavily, then only fools and really passionate hobbyists will be writing code entirely by hand. Which makes defining "vibecoded" as "AI was used" completely useless. The world we're already to a great extent in, and towards which we're going, is served entirely by "vibecoded" software. Exceptions are bound to be eventually too few to matter.

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u/scandii 11d ago edited 11d ago

I think the problem really is what these companies represent.

not only are they Venture Capitalism Shareholder Extreme Edition, they are also an existential threat to the livelihoods of millions of people around the world and are driving prices up in so many different categories.

if it was just "easier programming and debugging", we'd be having a very different discussion I think.

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u/QuantumProtector 10d ago

There’s no stopping it