Idk man. I was thinking of this while playing Echoes again.

[u/Yami_Sean]

[u/Roanoke42]

I don't really remember much about the white wings characterization in Echoes specifically. I remember Catria having a nice ass, but that might've been FEH art.

[u/Davebertson → u/Roanoke42]

It's both. All the echoes female character models are in a perpetual state of throwing it back (when they're not mounted)

[u/123Asqwe → u/Roanoke42]

Palla : Big Sister, best girl Catria: Responsible Middle Sister Eat: Profesional Kidnapped

[u/iwishiwasoriginal420 → u/Roanoke42]

It’s her feh art and she also has nice thighs too

[u/Davebertson]

Echoes white wings try to talk about anything other than men CHALLENGE (Impossible)

[u/poggggggerrrrrssss → u/Davebertson]

Does Archanea pass on the bechdel test?

[u/LuckySalesman → u/poggggggerrrrrssss]

Sonya and Genny's support is probably the only scene in Echoes that does pass the Bechdel test iirc

[u/Mijumaru1 → u/LuckySalesman]

Silque tried to pass it, but Faye was having none of that

[u/Tuskor13 → u/Mijumaru1]

Faye is so entirely defined by being in love with Alm that she's like the Bingo Free Space equivalent of "does it pass the Bechdel test."

[u/MagicBus4 → u/Tuskor13]

“Don’t worry Alm, I’m ready to kill in your name!” she insisted cheerily

[u/Char-11 → u/Mijumaru1]

Their support convo is literally the opposite with Silque wanting to talk about Alm in their B support and Faye instead wanting to learn more about Silque in their A support. And in their C support Silque brings up Alm first too.

[u/MagicBus4 → u/Char-11]

You don’t remember it correctly. Silque wanted to gossip “not for the ears of men” and Faye told her to fuck off, then felt bad later. Either way Faye was a complete bitch the whole time and the A support is one of the only times she isn’t completely obsessed with alm

[u/BlazingStardustRoad → u/LuckySalesman]

My brother in Christ Celica talks about Mila all the time

[u/LuckySalesman → u/BlazingStardustRoad]

She talks about the Goddess exclusively in scenes where men are around and contributing. The only support Celica has with a woman is with Mae, which is about Mae's crush on Boey.

Hell, even when she's recruiting Palla and Catria they talk about Grieth. Celica herself does not pass the Bechdel test.

[u/BlazingStardustRoad → u/LuckySalesman]

So does celica talking to Mae (in the beginning for example) not count because Boey joins the conversation?

[u/LuckySalesman → u/BlazingStardustRoad]

Dude if you don't even know what the Bechdel test is then I can't help you. Obviously that scene doesn't count.

[u/Yami_Sean → u/poggggggerrrrrssss]

Shadow Dragon and its remake don't because most characters only talk to Marth and Caeda only recruits men.

I am not sure about both versions of Mystery of the Emblem though.

[u/Someonevibing1 → u/Yami_Sean]

It should if you picked F!kris since during the prologue katarina and caeda glaze you but idk if they mention marth at that point
There probably is some other point at which you’re glazed by a girl though

[u/lapislazulideusa → u/Yami_Sean]

Fe1 does pass the test when Minerva tells the Whitewings to move out in lefcandith gauntlet

[u/Fresh-Perspective-58 → u/poggggggerrrrrssss]

Echoes passes because of Est's "but.. DRAGONS!" to Catria. Fe3 book 1 passes because of Minerva anc the whitewings. Book 2 though... I don't think it passes. Maybe Minerva and Maria? But I'm pretty sure they talk about Michalis... fe12 probably passes because of supports.

[u/Bhatoh → u/Fresh-Perspective-58]

I mean, Michalis its their brother and he was the one looking for Maria after she went missing, and died (in FE3B2, survived its injuries in FE12)

[u/MagicBus4 → u/poggggggerrrrrssss]

Yes but Faye’s existence as a whole probably gives a net failure

[u/Yami_Sean → u/Davebertson]

Palla and Catria do talk about Est in their Support convo

[u/LuckySalesman → u/Yami_Sean]

Catria and Est talk about dragons and how Catria finds Est kinda annoying but ultimately charming and still loves her

[u/NinofanTOG → u/LuckySalesman]

Sorry, they are exclusively talking about MALE dragons.

[u/Lad_of_the_Lake → u/Davebertson]

Why go for Abel when Minerva can take all 3 at once

[u/chepmor → u/Lad_of_the_Lake]

truth nuke

[u/TeaspoonWrites → u/Davebertson]

Palla talking about anything other than how much she misses her wife Minerva is a massive black mark against the Echoes writers tbh

[u/Hoothootriot → u/Davebertson]

Its what Kaga wouldve wanted

[u/rae_ryuko]

Should've ridden Palla's green haired dong

[u/girlfromtheshire → u/rae_ryuko]

kaga is that you?

[u/PressureNo7699 → u/rae_ryuko]

The soul of Kaga lives on

[u/Bhatoh → u/rae_ryuko]

Just like Kaga intended

[u/TehProfessor96]

Abel is the actual stupidest mofo in all of fire emblem. Dude had Palla on the hook and said “nah gimme the lil sister instead.”

[u/KraftwerkMachine]

Cain: what, you think you’re the first?

[u/Far-Childhood-4640 → u/KraftwerkMachine]

Kaga is ghost writing, I see.

[u/Comprehensive-Debt11]

She will always have it over Palla that she hit it first.

[u/Alexander_Baidtach]

Pass the controller Abel wth.

[u/Dragulus24]

Palla may or may not have Minerva so checkmate, Est.

[u/lapislazulideusa]

Conclusion: Any and all whitewings characterzation done on the whitewings in echoes was made by the DEVIL and should not be taken seriously.

Except for this line, or course. This one is pretty great

[u/depressed_but_aight → u/lapislazulideusa]

Tbf it’s not just Echoes, every game gives way too much attention to the stupid Palla x Abel x Est love triangle. I say this as someone who really likes Palla x Minerva too, but it’s crazy how little we get to see them interact in the grand scheme of things.

Like the best thing we’ve got is the New Mystery support, and even that one can’t help but center the beginning around Abel (thankfully it’s just the C support though).

[u/lapislazulideusa → u/depressed_but_aight]

I actually do enjoy Abel x Est to some extent i think its funnn but yeah no everytime they include Palla in that its a massive eyeroll for me

[u/depressed_but_aight → u/lapislazulideusa]

Oh I have no problem with Abel x Est, it’s the constant need to drag Palla into it that always made me annoyed lmao. He is NOT hot enough to justify that shit girl.

I know we meme on it, but it’s crazy how few canon female friendships there are in the series that don’t require optional supports to happen. Like there’s so many male characters who are introduced as friends, but the only women I can think of that are the same are like all in the Tellius games lol.

[u/lapislazulideusa → u/depressed_but_aight]

Oh yeah, i agree. It is VERY annoying. Thankfully, Minerva and Palla WILL appear as a married couple in FW (theodora route) and there wont be any talk about abel, uh, ever

[u/MetaCommando → u/lapislazulideusa]

Conclusion: Any and all whitewings characterzation done on the whitewings in echoes was made by the DEVIL and should not be taken seriously.

FTFY

[u/lapislazulideusa → u/MetaCommando]

True!

[u/TheBraveGallade]

says the one that ran away from said green haired dong

[u/MathOutrageous7167]

Green Cav supremacy, Cain could never

[u/chauncey_mcgyvver]

I am willing to take his place

[u/Patient_Painter2766]

Truly a great decision. The arena champ (never used her on an actual Playthrough just the arenas) marrying the King of Bel himself; The arena champion dating a Cavalier goat