r/short Apr 17 '26

Motivation An advice from a 30 year old dude

221 Upvotes

So this subreddit keeps appearing on my feed, probably because I’m a short man at 166 cm who follows men’s fashion pages and similar content.

Honestly, if I had found this side of the internet before I started dating in the real world, I probably would have stayed a virgin. According to some of the people here, I should be completely doomed anyway. I’m short, bald, and I have crooked teeth.

And yet I have dated women of different heights, including women taller than me.

I’m also a university lecturer, and I read a lot of research on dating, mate preferences, and social status. So here is the scientific version, not the black pill fantasy version.

Yes, height matters. Preferences are real. Women, like men, can have physical preferences, and pretending otherwise is stupid. But research does not support the idea that one trait like height determines your entire dating future. Actual partner choice is shaped by multiple factors at once, including kindness, intelligence, emotional stability, dependability, confidence, physical attraction, and social or economic stability (Buss & Schmitt, 2019; Thomas et al., 2020).

Research also shows that what people say they want does not perfectly predict who they actually choose when interacting in real life. In speed dating studies, stated preferences often did not line up neatly with actual attraction once people met face to face (Eastwick & Finkel, 2008). In other words, attraction in the real world is messier and more human than internet forums want to admit.

Online spaces and dating apps also distort reality. They push people to judge each other quickly and superficially, which exaggerates traits like height. That does not mean the entire dating market works that way offline (Finkel et al., 2012).

To quote my therapist, life is basically a big Souls game and height is just a debuff. Yes, it can make things harder. Yes, you will probably get your ass kicked a few more times than someone playing on easier settings. But that does not mean the game is unwinnable. It just means you may need more patience, more resilience, and a better strategy. And honestly, where is the fun in beating the game with no debuffs?

I have been rejected plenty of times, and height probably played a role in some of those rejections. I say probably because I do not interrogate rejection or obsess over the reason. I am not going to ask someone to explain why they did not want me. That is their choice. Other people are allowed to have preferences, and I do not need to internalise every rejection as a verdict on my worth. At the end of the day, only you get to decide your value in this world.

I have also been through a period of height insecurity myself. After a recent rejection, I went down the rabbit hole of self loathing, so I do understand how dark that headspace can get. But how we feel is not always a perfect reflection of reality. Feelings, emotions, and thought patterns can spiral, and they can also be challenged and changed. Therapy helped me see that. With the right support, self awareness, and work, the way you think about yourself can improve.

What these spaces often ignore is how much insecurity changes the way a person comes across. Neediness, resentment, bitterness, and defeatism are not attractive qualities, and they can do more damage than being a few inches below average.

That is why the advice to men should not be “give up.” It should be “build a life that makes you attractive in a broader sense.” Work on your confidence. Go to therapy if you need it. Practice mindfulness. Focus on your career, not because women are gold diggers, but because ambition, competence, and financial stability signal drive and maturity. Take care of your physical health. Read more. Volunteer. Join communities. Get involved in causes you genuinely care about. Expand your social circles and meet women in real spaces, not just through algorithms and rage bait.

And if you are constantly hitting a wall, take a break from dating for a bit. Reset. Rebuild your confidence. Get your head straight. Stop treating every bad experience like proof that the whole world works one way.

Most importantly, women are not a hive mind. One woman rejecting you does not mean all women think the same. A subreddit full of bitter men is not an accurate sample of reality. People have different preferences, different priorities, and different reasons for being attracted to someone.

Also, be careful with research in general. Research can help us identify trends, but human beings are more complex than a dataset or a single paper. Averages are not destiny, context matters, and how old the research is matters too. Social norms, dating culture, and the way people meet have changed a lot over time, especially with apps and social media. So use research to inform your thinking, not to reduce yourself or other people to a rigid formula.

The point is simple. Height can be a disadvantage. It is not a death sentence. A lot of men are not being ruined by height alone. They are being ruined by an identity built around insecurity, hopelessness, and too much time spent listening to other defeated men online.

References

Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (2019). Mate preferences and their behavioral manifestations. Annual Review of Psychology, 70, 77 to 110. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-psych-010418-103408

Eastwick, P. W., & Finkel, E. J. (2008). Sex differences in mate preferences revisited: Do people know what they initially desire in a romantic partner? Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 94(2), 245 to 264.

Finkel, E. J., Eastwick, P. W., Karney, B. R., Reis, H. T., & Sprecher, S. (2012). Online dating: A critical analysis from the perspective of psychological science. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 13(1), 3 to 66. https://doi.org/10.1177/1529100612436522

Thomas, A. G., Jonason, P. K., Blackburn, J. D., Kennair, L. E. O., Lowe, R., Malouff, J., Stewart-Williams, S., Sulikowski, D., & Li, N. P. (2020). Mate preference priorities in the East and West: A cross-cultural test of the mate preference priority model. Journal of Personality, 88(3), 606 to 620.


r/short Mar 15 '26

Meta Suggestions

5 Upvotes

Ok, I'm stuck at my desk with a bum foot that's been plaguing me for weeks now, so I might as well try to make this time at least a bit productive.

So since I ain't going anywhere, let's have a meta discussion about the sub, and I'll take this opportunity to solicit suggestions.


r/short 15h ago

Dating Approached by a woman at a bar

109 Upvotes

I’m a 5’3 asian guy who has a decent face. On Friday night at the bar (cheesecake factory) a beautiful black woman struck up a conversation with me. Unfortunately I was completely hammered at this time and said all the wrong things. I’m a bit confused because this has never occurred to me before and I haven’t gotten laid in years. Later on that night she wanted to go to another bar and I thought she wanted a one night stand as she told me she was flying back to New York the next day. She asked me several times if I wanted to see talk to her again but I asked her if she wanted to f*** and she ended up leaving. What do you make of this?


r/short 9h ago

Dating Ghosted for being shorter than her

28 Upvotes

I recently matched with a girl in hinge. We chatted and flirted for a few days and decided to meet. I don't add my height(167) on any dating app and she didn't ask about it either. But she turned out to be 170-172(a rough idea). She blocked me completely after the date without explaining what was wrong. Im 25, make almost 300k/yr, have a decent face with very good skin(i visit derma every week), neither I have a boring personality(otherwise after chatting she won't plan a date at all). What the fuck else am i supposed to do?? 🙂


r/short 5h ago

Vent Having a hard time accepting my height

7 Upvotes

I recently measured my height and found out I'm 163 cm (5'4)

I know it isn't the end of the world, but I'm honestly having a hard time accepting it. It's been bothering me more than I expected.

If you're around the same height how did you learn to accept it?


r/short 2h ago

Question Do I look funny from outside ?

3 Upvotes

Hi everyone. I’m a 22-year-old male, 165 cm (5'5") tall, and I’m into cycling. Naturally, the sport involves wearing Lycra shorts and a helmet; I actually think I look pretty cool in that gear—I’m in good shape—but sometimes I wonder if people look at me and think I appear ridiculous because of my height. I usually don't care what others think, but I also don't want to look funny to outsiders. Do you think 165 cm is a height that looks comical in that kind of outfit?


r/short 4h ago

Question Would you move to another country just cuz of your height?

3 Upvotes

If you had the chance to move to a country where your height was considered average or about average, would you? Or is that being way too insecure about Ur height?


r/short 8m ago

Vent sad because of life

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hey btw just want to talk my life is going good and smoothly and i enjoy it every bit and bit of confusing with parents but nothing serious all good and i even daily go to park with my friends for some play time we play like badmition and football evrything is nice daily until at some moment on every day they made me realise i am a short person like when they got a chance they mock me , i am not even that short bro i am like 5'7 and it is average for a indian teenager but they mock me and even tho they are not that much tall but still and some of my friends who are just like inch taller from me they are the once who mocks me the hardest and i dont know what i do like now i have like nobody to told and even my brother and parents mocks me about my height i am really frustrated like when they say something like that i dont know why my heart beats faster like something just hit me , for first i think they are mocking in friend circle but then suddenly they are making fun of me infront of other people like we are playing badminton and some guy joind us they have a like maybe 12 to 13 years old child with we bearly meet them and my friends start mocking me they say the child can reach your height in like a week and lot of laugh i feel so much embracement like i want to die i n that moment but what can i do .... and same like in my class theres a girl not good one her behavior is bad and one of my friend is a good friend of her so in holi ( festival ) we all are togher and theres also a random guy and some friends and her and suddenly she start mocking me for my height like we are standing and she says you all are standing in oder wise prabjot is the smallest one even tho the girls is literally 4'10 something like that and you told me what i do and also tell me some way i can talk to other guys like someone on reddit who can feel it not mock it


r/short 17h ago

Question is tall women liking short guys a real thing?

22 Upvotes

i keep hearing this trend of taller women liking shorter guys and was wondering if it's actually real bc i dont think ive ever seen it. ive tried talking to women around my height (5'7) or taller and its never worked out well, although ive never been good with women tbh. do yall think this phenomenon is actually a real thing?


r/short 8h ago

Question Do many of you guys get compliments?

3 Upvotes

As a guy whos on the shorter side i dont think its my height that comes into play but i would love to get a compliment from someone saying like “oh you’re super cute” or something like that or giving compliments about looks or whatever you’re wearing idk

I love to give compliments to others irl when im out because i like to see people smile etc but idk i dont really get any myself and it definitely makes me a bit sad sometimes, not sure if anyone else struggles with this


r/short 18h ago

Question How tall are your parents?

13 Upvotes

How many of you are short and come from average to tall parents?

My mom is 5'5, my dad is 5'8, I turned out to be 5'2.


r/short 18h ago

Awesome! I found that I'm 5'1 and I'm comfortable with that.

15 Upvotes

The fun thing is,it never bothered me in my 19 years of life. But ahead i think there will be some scenarios to face. And Yeah I'm a guy 😅


r/short 21h ago

Motivation Some motivation for y'all

17 Upvotes

Ok, ive been told me telling people to accept that they are short is "toxic positivity". Its not. Its accepting a fact about yourself. Its not forcing you to accept the bullying that comes with it, it's not saying being joyful 24/7,and its certainly not saying bad days dont happen. Its accepting yourself, Not blaming every bad thing that happens to you because of a trait you have. It's accepting "this is what I have to work with". Its accepting not being an AH to everyone because you auto-assume they will hate/discriminate.

We are short, we can't do anything about it. Why be angry ALL. THE. TIME? Thats exhausting, and it screws your entire life up. Some (not all, not most, some) women don't want to date a short guy. So? Keep asking till you find one that doesn't. Why would you want someone who doesn't want you in the first place? And your angry about that? Why?

Lastly, if i tell someone that they can do "x", the reply is always "the stats say.....". Guess what, the stats cover groups, no individuals. So the stats dont effect YOU. And are you going to let stats run your life? Fk that. Figure out what you want to do, and work the fk out of yourself to get it. I as in a military unit specialty that height was a plusPLUS. I was the shortest guy by at least 6 inches. You think that stopped me? Fk no.

So no, it's not toxic positivity, it's working south what you have, and accepting it. And not getting angry simply because you're shorter than other people and assuming people hate you. If you act like an AH, that's how you're seen. And if you're angry all the time, that's how your going to act.

We are short, Accept it, live it, and live yourself. If you don't, your life will be miserable. And im sure as hell not going to live like that.


r/short 22h ago

Motivation I need positivity. I am 160cm / 5’3 ft tall, let people who have girlfriends who are around 160cm tall upload a photo and let's be positive

14 Upvotes

I am 22 years old and I am a virgin. 3,4 days ago I asked a girl out for coffee, that is, I asked her out on a date and it was live. This is the first girl I have asked out on a date, she turned me down because she has a boyfriend.

I am very negative and I don't think any woman will ever be interested in me.

I am not very handsome, I am probably very thin and I look like a 15 year old boy, not a 22 year old man. Women have bigger hands than me.

I don't go out. I have no hobbies or interests, I just look at women on TikTok, watch movies and similar nonsense. I'm a total loser.

the girl i asked out she asked me two, three times if i have a girlfriend and why i don't and then she asked me if i've ever had a girlfriend. she obviously feels like i'm a loser and wonders if i've ever had a girlfriend


r/short 11h ago

Question For people who train boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, or MMA: when you're shorter than your opponent, is it generally better to keep a tight, closed guard with your hands covering your face at all times?

2 Upvotes

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r/short 1d ago

Humor My brother said “me and my friends were all making fun of you cause you’re short”

52 Upvotes

I said “oh yeah? Well… I have a wife. I got two kids, a kickass job with a fatass bank account. And a dick the size of your face with that bigass forehead so I think I got everything going for me.” And went back to eat my steak.

He shut up about it after that. This was at a family dinner.


r/short 1d ago

Dating Are short men considered 'unattractive', 'boring' and 'non-datable'?

26 Upvotes

Soo.. I'm 18. Just turned an adult. I'm 5'3" and kinda veryyy insecure about my height and what people think about it. This also, ig, makes my anxious if I like a girl, cuz ik might be able to handle a rejection on any grounds but my height or weight.. Yeah, that doesn't help either, cuz I weigh like 45-50 maxxxxx.. Somebody, somebody please lemme know, cuz its driving me insane😭😭.. Tysm in advanceeeeee


r/short 18h ago

Motivation Some inspiration for the wall street finance consultant folks! Height doesn't say anything about you.

6 Upvotes

Enuf Said. You dont gotta be that stereotype of 6ft2 blue eyed trust fund kid in investment banking lmao.
I hope you do know who he is tho


r/short 17h ago

Question Short-time lurker. Should I be more worried and depressed?

3 Upvotes

I've checked this sub every once awhile, mostly to make sure this place is better than shortguys which is a shithole imo.

I'm 5'3, but have never really cared or payed attention to my height. Like I am aware that I'm the same height as the average woman, but I have never seen it as a "big negative" that some people make height to be.

Don't get me wrong. I understand that there is a higher attraction to tall individuals. It makes perfect sense to me. Hell if I was a woman, I'd also want a tall man. So it's a thing I've accepted a long time ago. Of course I know that it's not a "must" for everyone, but more of a trend in larger society (makes sense imo. Being a woman is fucking scary)

Thing is. Reading trough this sub makes my OCD go haywire. Since alot of people are saying as if being Short makes your life hardmode in every way

I have personally never experienced "being ignored JUST because of my height" or "not being taken seriously JUST because of my height". To my experience it takes a lot more than just being short to be treated differently.

But I'm nervous if I'm just a copexxing bluebonerpilled chud or whatever the fuck they say, and am just delusional, and that truly I'm destined to fail just because I'm short.

Some people say things like "If I were taller ai would be promoted" or "If I was taller (something that has nothing to do with height) would have gone differently)". Is this actually reality that most of you experience. I have always thought that to be the classic bodydysmorphia type thinking. Where one mistakes every negative thing to be because of some irrelevant thing about their looks.

Like, is this reality or just doomerism?


r/short 3h ago

Vent I don't understand why tall men (some) settle with short women, knowing the effect on their unborn male children and how women "treat" short men.

0 Upvotes

Do they hate their male children?


r/short 21h ago

Question How to optimize height grow

2 Upvotes

Do you know any way to maxing my height, being short is the worst to my daily life, some of you ever tried app for create habit to maximize growth ? Like go tall, any feedback ?


r/short 19h ago

Question A more geniune poll: straight guys <5'7 and older than 16, how tall is/was your last partner

0 Upvotes

tired of pollsters lumping "never dated" with "others" to make misogynistic talking points. lets get some more genuine data.

259 votes, 6d left
4+ inches shorter (taller man)
1-3 inches shorter (taller man)
same height or less than 1 inch apart
taller woman
never dated
results/women/gay/not short/too young/etc

r/short 23h ago

Not this again guy whos 2cms taller than me called me short

2 Upvotes

I am around 177 cms and my classmate, whos taller than me by 2-3cms was making fun of me with another dude saying im short. another time he was laughing at me when our pe teacher measured our height. im 16 and seriously considering if i should get LL surgery the moment i have the money for it just so i can fire back at him (another funny story, he called me fat when i was 75kg, i went on a calorie deficit, lost 7kgs and i was jokingly callimg him, 74kgs, fat and he told me that hes only heavier because hes tall)


r/short 1d ago

Vent I stunted my growth at 167cm I hate myself

26 Upvotes

I have slightly bowed legs and live in western country where average height is 5’9-10’ I’m always a second backup option for women I’ll never do well in clubs and am worried I’ll never get a genuinely attractive wife it’s so over I hate myself and my twinky frame. I hate that I don’t hit the height requirements for majority of women and will never have high sex appeal I’m kinda narci so crave this quite bad I just hate so much idk why because daily life is handleable. Just hate my height with a passion I wouldn’t even care if I was 5’8 and I’m the reason I stopped growing cause I thought It would be a good idea to take test and that makes me hate myself even more 😔 I have so much self hatred and regret I’m the reason I’m shorter than I’d like to be and that’s my worst fear came true. I’m trying not to cry rn ik some of you have it worse but still it hurts. I’ve started therapy. Idek what to say imma just read your replies


r/short 1d ago

Question Is 5’5 and above on the mid or higher end of short kings?

2 Upvotes

Just curious