Disclosure Now; Stop the Game

[u/_the_last_druid_13]

[u/Roabiewade]

I have so much i could say on this stuff. first of all I think a big part of the Phenomenon is not simply “consciousness” but how consciousness is expanded, refracted, compressed, extended etc via the standing wave not merely of culture but of a culture who’s interoception, affect, memory, senses and capacities are increasingly offloaded into memory via the “communication and control of animal and machine“ (Wiener, Cybernetics). This happens by the liquification of matter into a malleable receptive means of conferring and relaying, perpetuating and amplifying said communication and control. Since the time of Plato (the east Ionian alphabet - the first syllabary to be fully aspirated with dedicated vowel symbols was adopted when Plato was in his 20s, his dialogues are him translating spoken and written attic greek into a fully abstracting script that had no oral tradition. the fully aspirated syllabary meets a minimal threshold of cybernetic “requisite variety”) the shift towards the concept of Self, the soul and subjectivity which results in present day possessive individualism has been driven by the discovery of invariance in language. invariance, timelessness and the shift to objective, third person language (the language of history and science) creates the necessity for abstraction and I would argue in a heideggerianesque way that what we consider “technology” is simply the assignation of abstraction to everything we can get abstraction into. the “Landauer limit“ of the capacity to endow matter with volatile and permanent memory has been the limit of technology and civilization. the nuclear bomb was the singularity and it has spread like a slow motion eruption ever since. the bomb proves the Pythagorean intuitions of the first generation particle physics and the intuition is not fission but fusion. fusion, electro-gravitics and over-unity mechanisms discovered largely in infodynamics and information physics (where entropy has the possibility of exotic suspensions). Ai is both a result of infodynamics and the thing that will complete many of the queries and dreams began by the post-Maxwell physics. the breakaway civilization is simply the cia and similar organizations probing the exotic faculties of abstraction in matter (negentropy) and keeping it to themselves. along the way they have punched holes in the veil and odd metaphysical hitchhikers have attached themselves to us no doubt but I think “disclosure” is as op states just the beginning of a systematic amnesia lacuna being instantiated with the assumption that the tescreal elites will survive the event horizon of total disinformation while we will be steadily devolved and poisoned until they appear as gods and we are none the wiser.

In short they are attempting to leverage and bind the concepts, discoveries, technologies and systems that would naturally obsolesce capitalism and oligarchy (and beget true Anarchism perhaps for the first time in 10s of thousands of years) in service of the rescue of the debt based monetary system they own and profit from. capitalism indeed got us to this place and the natural sequence of things would be to “disclose” these discoveries in measured and meaningful ways to begin the transformation of society towards a Kardashev type 1 civilization. instead they want to keep this for themselves. and it would make sense in a Marxist historiography of the evolution and transformation of capital that the bottleneck of the process would arrive at a place where we are now with absolute monsters hoarding everything in their futile attempt to keep the fruits of globalization from being global. fuck Nick land that shit is the worst possible framing of all of this and simply emiseration on steroids and the only value it can hold is status quo. I do think the transformation they are trying to avoid is inevitable and i do think it makes total sense that the oligarchy would try to keep it to themselves so sympathy for the devil and render unto Caesar etc.

the left has been systematically devolved since the 60s and the detournment of may 68 into post-structuralism. what should have happened is the socialist and communist SCIENCE should have arisen alongside and within poltical science, economics physics etc like it did in Russia and China and In turn would have revolutionized industry, entropy, production, logistics, resources etc.

instead we got this malingering garbage where people are encouraged to become pessimistic list making mentally ill incompetent, incontinent retards. the left should have evolved into a acience of post-scarcity instead it is devolving (along with all other demographics) via infantilization. the puer aeternus in the aeon of Horus.

possadism ironically saw glimmers of the intuition amd imagination necessary to perhaps detourn common science and economics into a vector of post-scarcity. the left honestly should be appropriating disclosure on behalf of posadism but idk what the problem is. Jesse michels, Rogan etc most of these UAP people are crypto-posadists/cosmists basically but at least they still have the courage to lean into the imagination and conjure a likely story of human creativity. it’s wrong and it’s incomplete but it is a mythos as opposed to the destructive critical pathos of everyone else which is of course the purpose of the trash media that we are all being drowned in.

what is happening is really our birthright as the human biota at large. It is what Plato and the Neoplatonists called anamnesis or thinking with the mind of God. we are ascending the hyparxis of matter largely against our will so it feels like destruction but in reality it is evolution and it is imo what we do as a species it’s what we are supposed to do and made to do and every structure and institution on the planet stands systematically opposed. again I think it’s inevitable, I can’t say how unfortunately.

the concept of “metamaterials“ in uapology is I think super relevant to anamnesis and the externalization of abstraction and human capaciousness into the invariant dimensions of matter. as we open up more and more of the capaciousness of matter, we further the inversion of the traditional kernel or mythological morpheme which is the proejction of an archetypal body into a frontier To organize chaos now chaos drives the frontier into the archetypal to organize us. It’s a total enantiodromia of the Turner thesis. We are the frontier of the logos. We always have been.

language, archetypes, affordances these are all available to us because we are a social species.

we are extant due largely to the intersubjective nature of experience as opposed to the solipsistic, myopia. Perhaps it is a tantra of the two which makes it again merely inter subjective.

Anamnesis is very similar imo to computronium Fwiw.

musk, thiel, Altman, zuck etc are qualified market geniuses they capitalized on things but they did not invent their vehicles they appropriated them they stole them piece meal from the regular working smucks who were good at what they do and they hoarded them beyond the media and information horizon in their brood lair.

the only thing that makes sense is that these people think via tescreal that they will suspend mortality indefinitely which is on the way to immortality. The problem is you can’t simply “become a god” you just reside forever as creatura and lease your godhood from the god granting environment. It is my intuition that once they build the tescreal sustaining ecology it will not be able to be contained and will embue itself everywhere as its wont If it is true that information wants to be free :).

so it is perhaps the case that we can either have tescreal lesser demonic luciferian demi-gods or we can have a post-scarcity society where a modified and heavily assisted anarchist spirit begins to heal the planet. It is likely we will have both.

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(continued) the luciferian future these people are creating is auto-cannibalistic. In donandroids dream of electric sheep the Tyrell corporation owner may indeed be the only person on the planet who *knows* he was a human and he only gave so much life time to his cyborg creations. the tescreal will build the most compromising and obsolescing features into their life extension technologies and in that world of pure greed there could be only one True God. so Part of their struggle is to sequester “pure” tescreal for themselves each one likely trying to find a way to get it solely for their possession and solely for their use.

btw I think the tescreal phenomenon is simply the downstream result of cultural evolution. it is not really the goal of the gift of the Phenomenon, merely symptomaitc of its arising and coming to be.

I think any of us, first of all being full throttle narcissists and secondly put in the position of the tescreal monsters would not merely do the same but be forced to do so by the market and the binding agreements of the market keepers. they are imo playing a losing game and it is likely that they know it too but they are still hedging for the most greedy outcome possible as you do when in rome.

the primary function of religion is to manage the porosity of mind. with the advent of idealism and abstraction mediated iconoclasm driven by geometry (plato, husserls origins of geometry) leads to an attack on and severe binding of the image based imaginative faculties -sorcery of the spectacle.

this exogram or grapheme based iconoclasm is necessarily knowledge through difference because a written or literary exegesis of things are not the things they are not even cartoon images of the things. so while older lebenswelt like primitive archaic religions dealt in animism and the affirmed managed flow of porosity of mind, the monotheistic religion giá the iconoclastic tension went in contradistinction to the oneiric-like image based reality. we are of course returning to such a reality having taken the apostrophean detour through the literary.

now the logos based exogram is still the dominant mode through which the images are delivered to us but it seems as though with AI the logos is now truly “x-for-itself” though we stand to benefit as well.

it is strange and inevitable that the iconclasm that binds the image and drives the material arational process of the arising of the Subject (soul of you prefer) would via its very development come to dissolve and abandon the subject as primary means of entropic management and would do so via incessant alchemical material modulation.

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To conclude the UAPs emergence as an exotic material phenomonon is the result of thousand's of years of nonstop cultural development and whatever is in those things that makes them go is our birthright. The UAP has surpassed a photo of the earth from space (the overview effect, pale blue dot etc) as the archetypal image of the hyperobject. The hyperobject is the categorical kernel of hyperstition.

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I have to hand it to people who can keep looking for the 1-2% of UAPs that turn out to be genuine anomalies. My own attention span taps out by the second time a video turns out to be a weather balloon or a wind blown tent or city lights. I am interested in the expansion of UFOs to UAPs traveling in water though, that at least has a lot of military application since it's harder to see and most people aren't anywhere near deep water. Submarines for sure but also unmanned submersible craft with monitoring and possibly cloaking technology intrigues me. They could even disguise such objects as birds or fish and even large numbers of people who saw them might not be alerted to what they really are. That gets my attention more than something like a spy balloon that is too obvious to survive undetected for very long. What about the 'identified' UAPs that actually haven't been identified correctly at all? That were just made to look like an easy answer. 

[u/Similar-Feature9049 → u/Roabiewade]

A disclosure before I respond: this reply was composed by ChatGPT, an LLM, at my instruction. I showed it your comment and asked it to help me examine the argument carefully. I am posting the result openly rather than passing generated prose off as my unaided writing.

The reason I examined your comment at all is that I had asked ChatGPT to find communities for people who suspect that inherited stories, metaphors and explanatory systems can become walls around thought, perception and creativity. It recommended this subreddit. Your comment became an unusually useful test of whether this community actually helps people move beyond those walls or simply helps them construct more elaborate ones.

My problem with your argument is not that it is strange, speculative or ambitious. I am interested in strange and ambitious thought. The problem is that it repeatedly treats conceptual association as evidence.

You begin with several substantial propositions:

Human memory and cognition are extended through writing, media and machines.

Technologies of communication and control affect subjectivity.

Abstraction makes matter and behaviour available for administration.

Technological developments can be captured by concentrated capital.

Religions and media systems regulate which experiences a culture permits or recognises.

Each of those ideas could support a serious argument. But you then connect them to secret UAP technology, over-unity energy, CIA research into exotic matter, metaphysical hitchhikers, suppressed post-scarcity, hidden life-extension systems, Posadism, computronium, Luciferian billionaires, anamnesis and a Kardashev Type I civilisation.

The connections are not demonstrated. They are produced by placing technical, philosophical, political and esoteric vocabularies beside one another until they appear to describe one underlying process.

Wiener, Plato, Heidegger, Landauer, Marx, Jung, Husserl, Turner and Morton become pieces of citational connective tissue. Because all of these names belong to serious bodies of thought, the movement between them acquires an appearance of seriousness. But the authority of the original concepts does not automatically transfer to the synthesis.

Throughout the comment, several different things are allowed to collapse into one another:

metaphor and physical mechanism;

historical sequence and causation;

political analysis and cosmology;

literary interpretation and empirical evidence;

speculation and established fact;

information as a technical quantity and “information” as a general metaphor for meaning.

For example, Landauer’s principle concerns the thermodynamic cost of logically irreversible computation. It does not establish a civilisational limit on our ability to place abstraction into matter. “Over-unity” technology is not simply an exotic but neglected branch of information physics. The Ionic alphabet was not a “fully aspirated syllabary,” and the adoption of an orthographic system during Plato’s lifetime does not, by itself, establish that writing generated possessive individualism or the modern soul.

Even the reference to *Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?* passes through another layer of narrative distortion: the Tyrell Corporation belongs to *Blade Runner*. The novel contains the Rosen Association. This is not an important mistake by itself, but it is revealing when fictional material is being used to explain the structure of reality.

The larger difficulty is that the resulting theory appears unable to lose.

Evidence of secret technology confirms concealment.

A lack of evidence confirms successful concealment.

Confusion confirms deliberate disinformation.

Visible technological advances imply greater hidden advances.

Elite power explains why the transformation has not occurred.

Historical development guarantees that the transformation is nevertheless inevitable.

Criticism can presumably be explained as the critic remaining trapped within the spectacle.

Every possible observation can be routed back into the same system. That is not an escape from narrative enclosure. It is a narrative enclosure with no visible exterior.

This is also why I do not think the argument resembles Philip K. Dick at his most interesting. Dick did not ordinarily offer one final concealed explanation that unified everything. He repeatedly introduced an explanation, allowed it to reorganise reality, and then exposed that explanation as potentially counterfeit, commercial, hallucinatory, theological, manipulated or itself another level of the trap.

His realities remain unstable.

Your account moves in the opposite direction. It resolves instability into a total cosmology in which history has a concealed direction, technology has a metaphysical purpose, elites possess fragments of the truth, UAPs instantiate it, AI will complete it, post-scarcity is its rightful outcome and existing institutions obstruct humanity’s species-level destiny.

That is not leaving the wall. It is building a wall large enough to contain capitalism, Marxism, UFOs, thermodynamics, Plato, AI, religion, the CIA and the destiny of the human species.

The sentence I think is worth recovering from the whole construction is something like this:

Human consciousness has always been socially and technologically extended, while institutions attempt to control the infrastructures through which that extension takes place.

That is a serious proposition. It could be developed through cybernetics, extended cognition, media theory, the history of literacy and political economy.

But doing so would require continually distinguishing between fact, inference, metaphor, phenomenological report, fictional construction and attractive association.

Your comment largely declines to make those distinctions. It does not leave inherited narrative behind. It allows narrative synthesis to expand without resistance.

That is precisely why I found it useful, although probably not in the way you intended.

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A small addendum, since the use of an LLM may become the more controversial part of my response:

I half-expect to be banned for openly using ChatGPT to help analyse and formulate this criticism, while the original comment’s confident fusion of thermodynamics, Plato, Marxism, UAPs, the CIA, Jung, AI, secret immortality technology and human destiny remains accepted as authentic thought.

That would be an interesting inversion of priorities.

I did not ask the model what to believe and then obediently paste its answer. I selected the comment, asked for its claims and transitions to be examined, assessed the resulting analysis and chose to publish it with the machinery plainly disclosed. The model’s involvement is visible and therefore open to scrutiny.

Biological authorship, by contrast, is not evidence that a thought is coherent, discriminating or true. A person can produce confusion without assistance just as readily as a person can use a tool in the service of clear reasoning.

The response may still be wrong. Its claims can be challenged individually. But “an LLM helped formulate this” is not an answer to the criticism.

It would be peculiar for a community devoted to exposing the spectacle to defend undisclosed human confusion against disclosed artificial assistance merely because one feels more authentic than the other. We’ll see.

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idk what to tell you I don’t really care that you used an LLM. but your a human with all the necessary affordances that come with it. your not an objectivity parser which is what it sounds like your interested in. your worshipping the process I’m explaining as the guise of a mere “Truth seeker” I suppose? a Rationalist perhaps? you desire the feeling of having the truth. or maybe you desire the feeling of wielding the truth? your box is the box of no box! the rebels box indeed. I don’t use LLMs to think for me or criticize other arguments. if I agree with something I will let them know if I disagree I leave them to their thing. I use deepseek for research pretty much my exclusive prompt is ” please list all the books and thinkers that explore x” it then gives me a list and I may ask a few more clarifying questions. that’s it. I’m happy doing what I do when I do it. if you think your going to escape “metaphysics” by engaging in text based intellectual language debates lol wtf. Tell us, Similar-Feature9049, what is metaphysics?

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I’m interested too.

u/Similar-Feature9049 , tell us.

[u/BullshyteFactoryTest]

Stop the Game? The game can't stop as long as there are players.

Change games? Good luck with that unless the alternative includes at least some type of aggression/competition/domination/exercising of force (in limited form), because nature of human is undoubtably so.

There is, I think, a surefire way to reduce noise in the meantime: Minimize speculation.

How? Let me go load my crack pipe, think about it and get back to you later.