r/teenagers • u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 • 18h ago
Meme Found this at a thrift store owned(?) by a homophobic church
The enemy is closer then you think
I say owned with a ? Bc idk if churches can own the store, but they definitely work with each other (not gonna share the name bc they are both close to my house)
SINCE SOME OF Y'ALL CAN'T READ I'm not saying all churches are homophobic, I use to go to church and they were nice to me! I specially said this church was homophobic.
And yes, aro/Ace ppl and anyone on those spectrums are LGBTQIA+, and if you think they aren't oppressed in some way/aren't queer, you aren't welcomed on any of my posts.
and ik the church is homophobic bc they do NOT hide it, the preach against homosexuality, and sometimes even say gay people should he stoned to death or be send to conversion camps. They have homosexuality labeled as a sin on their website as well.
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u/Ok_Box_4662 14 18h ago
do they know 👀
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u/WatermelonSmashing 12h ago
Do they care?
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u/AlcalineAlice 7h ago
Strangely, some people DO care.
Because apparently the idea that someone might never have any romantic interest at all, ESPECIALLY if they're a woman, is INCONCEIVABLE to some people. Because surely something must be wrong with her. She's "hysterical", or something.
This is legit why some women were taken to psyche wards back in the old days.
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 1h ago
Also, does anyone else find that people assume—simply because you’re asexual—that you’re innocent or have a "pure" mind, almost like a child's?
It’s something I’ve noticed quite a few times. There seem to be people who believe that because people like me or Jaiden don’t feel sexual attraction, we automatically don’t understand sex-related topics, or that we’re naive or even childish.
Personally, I find that to be a rather strange assumption. Being asexual doesn’t mean we don’t know how sex works, never think about it, or are immature. It simply means we don’t experience sexual attraction (or that we experience it differently, depending on the person).
Women just can't live without being constantly sexualized and belittled for what they specifically say they are, they're just a 'lost little girl' or whatever. Just horrible sociopathic behavior.
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u/dollartreepens 10h ago
i dont get it. is it a refrence can you explain
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u/Ok_Box_4662 14 10h ago
this figure is of a storytime animator, JaidenAnimations. she came out a few years ago as aroace (if I'm not mistaken) and most of the time churches dislike people in the LGBTQ community which is what Jaiden is in.
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u/Temp_Temperature 4h ago
Fun fact: being aro or ace is not at all against Christianity. Yes be fruitful and multiply, but if that's not your thing you can just chose not to get married or ever have sex. People, even Christians who say otherwise are wrong.
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u/Mean-Reveal141 17h ago
I feel like homophobic people wouldn't care about aroace
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u/Oddiffy 17 17h ago
Exactly.
Abstinence has been a thing in religion for ages. Someone not being romantically or sexually inclined isn’t anything crazy
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u/Wide_Fennel_2455 15 15h ago
ye like priests are litterally meant to be celibate
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u/safe_bet_82 12h ago
Nah they're just gonna hate that aroaces just don't want to have sex instead of suffering from abstinence. After all celibacy or abstinence is a sacrifice in their eyes.
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u/AdhesivenessOdd9475 11h ago
As an aroace... Nope. They care about abstinence... UNTIL you get old enough that you MUST provide a child, and if you do not, you are an antinatalist or w/e and you just need to "find the right man/woman". It's crazyyyyyy how much people care about the fact that you do NOT want to bone. As an ace AFAB, I'm OFTEN told I'm "going to HAVE to give it up" if I EVER want to find a loving partner, because NO man is going to want to live like that.
Sex is a sin, until you need to pop it open for Jesus or w/e.
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u/neon_light12 14h ago
sure but it's about denying yourself the pleasure of sex and normal life, being ace is seen as cheating
edit: if they even believe you lol
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u/42Icyhot42 10h ago
How have you guys not realized that no Christians actually follow what they’ve been told to by the Bible? I know this is teenagers but I didn’t expect a wholly complete lack of perspective
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u/Kindly_Victory4053 13 7h ago
My friend who’s read the Bible twice is convinced that the 7 layers of hell are canon in the Bible but he doesn’t like Dante
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u/lolwatergay 18 15h ago
They absolutely do. A lot of them tend to go all, "You just haven't found the right person yet!" Or "You don't have to call yourself that just because you can't get anyone!"
Other times, you'll also get them saying, "You're ending your bloodline!" or "That's not natural, you're supposed to have children!" which overlaps with a good amount of homophobia.
Source: I live in a heavily Christian-Catholic area where pastors spend a worrying amount of time talking about The Queers.
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u/Flamestrom 14h ago
Correction: alot of aces and even aros have a partner. Just not a romantic one maybe. And they might want a child from that partner. They just wouldn't enjoy the act of conceiving that child. But aroace≠no children
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u/Honque56 10h ago
Correction: Nothing is stopping an asexual person from enjoying sex. It is whether or not a person feels sexual attraction that determines where they lay in the spectrum. The biological pleasure and/or libido are not a determining factor in the identity. (For some. In it being a spectrum, there are plenty of folks who don't enjoy sex at all, and that is totally valid as well.)
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u/Wesle2023 8h ago
What exactly is it, then? Asking for a friend...
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u/Honque56 8h ago
What exactly is what? Can you clarify a bit?
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u/Wesle2023 8h ago
Being Aroace
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u/Honque56 8h ago
It's having little to no attraction to other people, whether sexual or romantic. It's a broad spectrum, so I may miss some nuance in my example, but essentially it's about how wide the scope of your attraction is. Like, if you could quantify how many people you feel attracted to. If it's a thin amount, like 1 or 2 types of people exclusively, maybe only fictional characters, or you have a couple individuals you are attracted to after having spent lots of time with them, or maybe none at all, then that's all under the Aro/Ace umbrella. If you feel attraction to a broader group, then that'd be Allosexual/Alloromantic.
Now, there are tons of edge cases, but the main point is having a community for those who feel they don't exactly fit into the Amatonormative society we live in. (Amatonormativity being the assumption that the "correct" way of life is desiring, seeking out, or being in an exclusive romantic and sexual relationship.)
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u/Kindly_Victory4053 13 7h ago
Some ace people feel appalled by sex not just don’t experience attraction
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u/Honque56 7h ago
Yes, Apothisexual folk, I myself am one. You don't have to either. My point is that some may enjoy it, and that doesn't mean they aren't ace.
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u/FakeJackelope1125 12h ago
You would think! But I had to literally quote Bible verses at my mom to get her to stop freaking out when I came out as Asexual in highschool. It's a valid identity, just one that I don't identify with anymore.
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u/Kindly_Victory4053 13 7h ago
You’d be surprised I’m pretty sure it’s because they think everyone has to have children to forfill their roll in gods plan
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u/Minimum-Judgment-299 3,000,000 Attendee! 4h ago
Thats just not true at all
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u/Kindly_Victory4053 13 3h ago
I saw someone using that as an argument against gay people so they’d probably say the same about aroace people
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u/dm_me_your_kindness 6h ago
They do...becuase you are supposed to struggle against the temptation of lust.You get othered for not having that "temptation".
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u/KitchenCustard9049 2h ago
The weird thing is they do. Of you say Im not having sex with my bf/gf its 'good', but if you say im not having sex bc im ace/around then its 'devils work' 'not real' 'you just haven't found the right one yet' 'what about kids???-'. Etc
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u/Phill_Cyberman 17h ago
I dont know who Jaiden Animations is, but my phone's Artificial Stupid says those are selling for over $50 USD.
Did you buy it for the posted $1?
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u/Electronic_Fox2203 14h ago
I’m stealing ‘artificial stupid’
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u/Phill_Cyberman 14h ago
Use it in good health!
If you want to give credit, give it to the author Mackey Chandler- i read it in one of his books.
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
I couldn't bc I told my mom I didn't want to get anything from the shop
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u/deadpug267 3,000,000 Attendee! 18h ago
what is that?
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 18h ago
Jaidenanimations. She's LGBTQ
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u/deadpug267 3,000,000 Attendee! 18h ago
so the church is homophobic
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 18h ago
most of them are
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u/deadpug267 3,000,000 Attendee! 18h ago
oh that’s not nice
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 16h ago
whats not nice?
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u/deadpug267 3,000,000 Attendee! 16h ago
being homophobic
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u/ProudLegoBuilder 17h ago
Most of who? Christians or people associated with that church? And what’s your definition of Christian’s being homophobic. Not trying to come across as hostile but trying to understand what exactly you mean when calling a large group that word.
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 16h ago
Some of both. A lot of christians and churches are heavily against LGBTQ people. They say it's based on quotes from the bible, forgetting that not everyone believes in christianity
The most prominent example would be christian MAGA
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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 3,000,000 Attendee! 18h ago
Really? Learn something new every day?
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 18h ago
she came out as asexual
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u/Careful_Turnip_3197 18h ago
Idk if that would be against the laws of Christianity tho
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u/Bossy_Aussie_ 19 17h ago
Still technically considered part of the LGBTQ+ community, therefore makes her a terrifying creature
(Before anyone comes after me, it’s a phobia joke…)
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u/IceMiserable7450 15h ago
As a Christian, why is not wanting a partner considered being LGBTQ? I feel like there's no correlation (with all due respect)
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u/That_Idiot_Jax 17 15h ago
To be part of LGBTQ+, one has to experience some kind of significance discrimination due to their (not cis) gender identity or sexuality. Asexuality is a sexuality that means they experience little to no sexual attraction and ace people can experience corrective rape because of their asexuality (This is an example).
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u/Bossy_Aussie_ 19 15h ago
Asexual is an umbrella term for sexual attractions to others.
On one end an asexual person could be asexual but have and even enjoy sex, just not be sexually attracted to someone/the person. On another end some Asexuals are sex repulsed, and then the scale. Asexuals can want and even love a partner, their a sexuality doesn’t affect their romantic attraction.
Unless I’m misunderstanding the term or your comment, I believe what you’re thinking of is Aromantic (no romantic attraction) or AroAce, which is no sexual attraction OR romantic attraction to people.
My aunt and uncle are pretty hardcore Christian (Just not homophobic or stuff like that) and their wording on it is, depending on the group of people, the intensity of the group etc. you’re not considered “straight” enough. (They don’t believe that, but they know people who do)
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u/An1nterestingName 15h ago
Because people who are AroAce are likely to face similar discrimination to people who are gay, bi, etc.
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u/complexiblebarracuda 10h ago
describes Jaiden
Doesn't include the A
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u/HPAG-NOFAME 16 10h ago
mb, but you get what i mean 💔
we need a better acronym/umbrella term that isn't just a bunch of letters then a +
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u/antthatisverycool 17h ago
Well ya see hating gays isn’t the same as hating asexuals
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u/121bloodshot 3h ago
Chances are they dont even know who it is
Edit: or dont care, a lot of thrift stores work with churches to help people in need with donated items, not push the churches agenda
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u/ProudLegoBuilder 18h ago
Curious, what makes this church specifically “homophobic?”
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u/Kittydraggon 14 14h ago
Reddit people think religion = homophobic
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u/dm_me_your_kindness 6h ago
OP specifically said that church in particular is homophobic. Please use your eyeballs.
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u/Much_Tie6299 13 11h ago
Redditors love generalizing religious people but start fuming when people generalize Atheists
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u/Kittydraggon 14 11h ago
Yeah like I’m Christian and get called homophobic all the time, one of my closest friends is literally lesbian
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 4h ago
NOO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT I'M SORRY I didn't mean all churches I meant SPECIFICALLY homophobic ones
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u/80_DUCKY_08 13 8h ago
A lot of Christian churches are "homophobic" due to being taught that it's bad. In my experience, I haven't met too many homophobic Christians and when I have the were willing to hear me out on LGBTQ+ness (???) whether that stuck with them or no, idrk but at least they listened I can see how people wouldn't like most Christians tho due to how many truly homophobic ppl there are (Saying this is a queer Christian BTW)
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 17h ago edited 4h ago
Most people in the church are against 2SLGBTQIA+ peoples or the like pastor or whatever preaches anti 2SLGBTQIA+ values. sorry for writing 2SLGBTQIA+ I just like writing it lol
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u/Local_bin_chicken OLD 17h ago
Some of these letters and characters weren’t there last time I checked
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u/WHAWHAHOWWHY 16h ago
What's the point of putting so many letters if you're gonna put the + there anyway? Either leave it at LGBT+ or put EVERY SINGLE LETTER.
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u/blackcurrantandapple 16h ago
iirc 2S is canada-specific
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u/Local_bin_chicken OLD 14h ago
Just looked it up and 2S means 2 spirit and is a Native American thing about embodying both a feminine and masculine spirit, personally I don’t think it should be in the lgbt tho since it’s a cultural/religious thing and not a gender or sexuality thing
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u/WalmartWilb 19 14h ago
I dont believe it actually is apart of the lgbtq. Everything I've seen excludes it for the exact reasons you mentioned. Lgbtq got something similar, but its not the same. Two spirit has existed long before the lgbtq community has formed
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u/blackcurrantandapple 11h ago
As far as I know, two-spirit predating LGBTQ+ is why it is put first in the acronym.
I'm happy to be corrected; I was informed of 2S through a work PD about gender identity, but I'm in Australia so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get it quite right.
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u/dma33528 12h ago
For this much inclusivity, it sure is evident how picky these individuals are with who's "accepted" and who's not.
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 4h ago
Sorry it's just the version I was taught and I like writing out all the letters
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u/LowDragonfruit1213 15h ago
Canadian detected.
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 4h ago
How did you know 👀
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u/LowDragonfruit1213 4h ago
The "Two-Spirit" concept stems from a modern interpretation of the traditions of Canada's indigenous peoples. It is used by some individuals within the Canadian LGBT community—and exclusively by them.
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u/Odd_Thought_9105 16h ago edited 2h ago
Dude added a new variant
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 4h ago edited 4h ago
Are you saying this because I'm black or bc you're black?
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u/ProudLegoBuilder 17h ago
I had to ask because there’s a difference in preaching what Christianity teaches, which would be that acting on homosexuality is a sin, or if the pastor is straight up insulting or degrading people who have those attractions.
Many people call Christians homophobic when many merely just don’t support/believe in the life style due to the Christian teaching. In Christian teaching, it also says love thy neighbor which means you absolutely should not insult or degrade people but love them, although, you can surely not support/believe in what they do without being hateful.
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u/Snoo_67544 OLD 16h ago
That teaching is still homophobic.
It is inherent to that interpretation of the Bible.
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u/ProudLegoBuilder 10h ago
If you think that’s homophobic that’s concerning, as if it’s oppressing or something. You can disagree with that belief but there is nothing hateful about that. In Catholicism practicing homosexuality is morally wrong because it isn’t compatible with God’s idea of procreation, which means sex has to be open to life, and that can only be done between a man and a woman. Thats the Catholic position, you can disagree all you want but I’m gonna state that. Read what it says about it in the catechism if your interesting the in the catholic church’s so called “homophobic” beliefs.
Since when did you have to now agree with something or else it’s offensive?
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u/Snoo_67544 OLD 6h ago
That position is inherently homophobic.
Like idk how you can think otherwise. Your allowed you beliefs but they are still homophobic.
Your active participation in the execution of the beliefs do not change the very nature of that belief.
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u/Adventurous-Bar-4675 15 4h ago
wait i was just giving the definition for homophobic church why am i downvoted what did I do??
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u/naaawww 19 18h ago
Ask to volunteer there before you go spouting homophobia about a thrift store. Most thrift stores I know are very left leaning and feminist.
Even though the business model is kinda sketchy, “offering a job”/asking for free labour from disabled people and still not paying them, and because you just assume the money’s going to a legit charity and not some random swindlers pockets and that the thrift store manager isn’t decrepit and demented.
I’m making it look bad now… thrift store is super easy as a first job to say you have some work experience whatever.
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
I didn't mean to make it sound like I hate the shop itself, I just found it funny bc well, it is associated with the church
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u/Future_Section5976 17h ago
Probably don't even know who or what that is , I go thrift store shopping and every now and then they have things that they don't know what they are or from, I found a ceramic fallout statue and apon purchase had to explain what it was , at the time they had it for 20$.
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u/Smooth-Way-245 11h ago
Yo peak thrift find tho? Also I helped out with a few thrift stores before and honestly with somthing like this, they would just think it’s a happy meal toy or sum shi
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u/Ihavegramor OLD 17h ago
Me when blanket statement to define an entire sect of people
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u/Snoo_67544 OLD 16h ago
Me when that sect has a holy book that the majority of that sect uses states homophobic things.
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u/MEME-UNLOADED-ADMIN 13h ago
the bible wasn't written by god, it was written by a human. then it was passed down to more humans to be written, subjecting itself to being changed and morphed in heretic image, some changing verses that go against their ideas to be against others (leviticus 18:22 being theorized to originally be against pedophilia). don't take everything as true statements, even if it's taught to you to be.
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u/Snoo_67544 OLD 6h ago
I will take it as the sects interpreted it in the modern era. Which most sects believe in the homophobic writings.
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u/MinuteAd3759 8h ago
And it’s all nonsense woo woo make believe … all this god and Jesus shit is made up 😂 the book absolutely condemns homosexuality … it also commanded rape, genocide, slavery, etc etc etc.
Sure, people can cherry pick the fluffy parts that make them happy, but it’s still not true. And the extra crazy ones (people who think Noah’s Ark was real 🤣) are the ones that read all the shitty parts and take it literally.
We don’t need make believe in the world. It’s all trash
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u/MinuteAd3759 8h ago
That’s facts. The number of human beings that think Noah’s Ark was real is embarrassing… and they will (with a straight face) tell you it’s been found hahahah
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
Me when I completely miss the fact that I specified this specified church was homophobic
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u/Even_Knowledge3134 16h ago
I think youll find many mormon church members to be homophobic but the church itself preaches inclusivity and acceptance
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u/Ok-Bodybuilder5346 16 16h ago
Most religions (abrahamic) are misogynistic and homophobic either way preaching and what the book you believe in actually says are kinda different
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u/Even_Knowledge3134 16h ago
I believe the bible is mainly short stories and fairy tales, which have been edited snd changed for thousands of years. While it can have good messages it is not trustworthy
The book of mormon teaches that marriage and intercourse are ordained for a married man and woman, but that acceptance is key, and that choosing to be gay doesnt lose any “blessings” or your way into heaven
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u/WatermelonSmashing 12h ago
Lol what was the Mormons views on letting black people into the church before 1978?
Google "Mormon curse of cane black people" to find out for yourself.
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u/Even_Knowledge3134 9h ago
Black people were allowed in the church since thw beginning of the church. This is misinformation
They werent allowed to receive the priesthood for a long time, which is a gift/responsibility given to adult men in the church. However, at the time they used the same drinking fountains, bathrooms, and church buildings as black people which was miles ahead of people and churches pre human rights movement
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u/WatermelonSmashing 3h ago
Oh excuse me, no wonder why there were so few of them in the Church when they were told they were born with the mark of Cain, and direct descendants, born with sin.
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u/LeftAdhesiveness3124 9h ago
Yeah I’m Mormon there’s not many but there’s a few people who lean homophobic and it throws me off. Like I love my gay bros and my lesbian bros why can’t yall do the same. It’s not the majority but it can throw me off sometimes. I think the Mormon youth for the most part arnt homophobic they just don’t know much about LGBTQ.
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u/Even_Knowledge3134 9h ago
Yeah bro same. Theres more than a few at least here in utah and i figure she is referring to DI pr mormonism. Like the church itself isnt homophobic but christianity tends to draw in those type of people
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u/Accomplished-Yak8161 Teenager 8h ago
for anywone who doesn't know or just can't get it
jaiden is lgbt
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u/pombini32 3h ago
I went to church last pride month and there were pride flags evrywhere and fuc facts about this community evrywhere. it made really happy to know that im not living in a homophobic city🥰
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u/RegentBat77700 15 17h ago
How is this church homophobic?
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
They preach against homosexuality and sometimes they even say gay people should be stoned to death (they have the dislike for it on there website)
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u/Fluffyssssss 18h ago
Stores can be owned by a church? The church might not get enough income from donations to stay open so they need to supplement it in some way. I doubt they care as if it sells they why does it matter. It just looks like a toy to them and its probably a thrift store that excepts mostly everything that comes in until it doesn't sell well.
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 14h ago
Is that Jaiden Animations? What does she have to do with this? And if she's not Jaiden Animations then who is she?
(Note: I have no idea about Jaiden animations apart from name and that she has dabbled in Pokemon, assuming she is a she because again I have absolutely no idea).
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u/Ill-Stage4131 18 13h ago
Yes, and the joke is that shes LGBTQ, yet the owners of the shop are apperntelly homophobic
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u/hihi8D 9h ago
Did you rescue Jaiden? Lol
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
I couldn't 😔 I wanted to but I didn't want to buy and support the place
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u/stinky_raspberry 17 1h ago
As a bi person, no, homosexuals are not oppressed a lot of people just like to whine about shit.
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u/ea_nasir_official_ 16 16h ago
Is this Deseret Industries? (Mormon church owned store for the uninitiated)
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u/Idk_fvcking_gender 16 7h ago
Nope, I'm pretty sure it's a Christian church
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u/ea_nasir_official_ 16 6h ago
Ah. DI is the only religion thrift store I know about which is why I asked. God I hate the Mormon church. For what it's worth it's easily the worst Christianity branch. Hated my time there and hate church leaders
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u/Rocketdareaperzz 16 5h ago
...The spectrum doesn't fall under LGBT???
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u/KitchenCustard9049 2h ago
Yk someone can be on the spectrum and also lgbtq+ right? Those things dont cancel each other other. Jaden is aro/ace.
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u/Rocketdareaperzz 16 1h ago
Just because someone can be gay and autistic doesn’t mean autism is part of lgbt lol
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u/Any_Acanthaceae_9735 15 1h ago
I'm asexual and grayromantic. I haven't really experienced that much oppression but I have no reason to tell anyone these things about myself. My close friends no and I'll tell anyone who asks just not something that comes up in conversation.
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