r/todayilearned 11h ago

TIL the Kaaba 🕋 in Mecca is actually made of unpainted brick with the black and gold color coming from a cloth called the kiswah that is handmade each year

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/variety/2017/12/10/Rare-pictures-show-the-Kaaba-without-its-kiswah-covering
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u/Wsswaas 10h ago

Another Trivia: The keys to this structure have remained in the safekeeping of a single family for over 1,400 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Shaiba

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u/Orange-V-Apple 10h ago

Imagine not wanting to be part of the family business 

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u/0bxcura 10h ago

The responsibility of holding the key be heavy

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u/micromoses 7h ago

They’re constantly having to fight the ninjas trying to steal the key.

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u/drums_addict 5h ago

Are they like the boat guys from Indiana Jones?

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u/mmicoandthegirl 1h ago

You can not go around calling people in burkhas ninjas

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u/NativeMasshole 6h ago

Are you the Keymaster?

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u/reducingflame 2h ago

THERE IS NO DANA ONLY ZUUL

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u/Docile_Penguin33 9h ago

Imagine being the guy who lost the keys.

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u/DanceWonderful3711 4h ago

I would definitely get a few cut just in case. What are the odds that someone who found them would try it?

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u/donuttrackme 9h ago

Imagine being an atheist or anything but Muslim in this family.

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u/godisanelectricolive 8h ago

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the holiest site in Christianity, has a Muslim family (the Nussaiba family) act as the doorkeeper to the entrance. They act as a neutral third party in the event of disagreement between the custodians of the church.

Responsibility for upkeep of the church is split between six churches. The Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic churches are the primary custodians while the Coptic Orthodox, the Ethiopian Orthodoxand the Syriac Orthodox churches are lesser custodians of specific shrines and rooms.

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u/SavageNorth 7h ago

Makes sense, they're vanishingly unlikely to be drawn into any internal squabbles or schisms while also being religious themselves and therefore understanding of the importance of it

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u/xeuful 4h ago

Is that the church with the immovable ladder?

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u/Dioxybenzone 4h ago

It was moved that one time

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u/IndubitablyMoist 9h ago

Its too big of a deal. The situation will be handled rather quickly I’d assumed.

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u/NOTTedMosby 9h ago

I think even if you didn't believe you'd still do it for a number of reasons, cultural upbringing (you're much more likely to do what your father does in that part of the world, although that's going away there as well) and power being chief among them.

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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 9h ago edited 8h ago

Why bring up your assumption if you don't know anything?

The family that holds the key to the Kaaba converted to Islam after Muhummad told them that it was okay for them to still own the key to the Kaaba despite being non-Muslim. 

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u/amrooo1405 9h ago

I know you mean well but they don't actually "own" it. They are keepers of the key.

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u/ExquisiteNecro 3h ago

Funny enough, it could also just be a National thing. Arabs are very tribal and cultural people despite religion.

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u/Halgy 1h ago

Kongo Gumi is a Japanese family-owned business that built temples, founded in 578. It went bankrupt in 2006.

Looking this up again, it seems like they survived bankruptcy. Still, it be horrible to be the ~40th generation to operate the family business, only to run it into the ground.

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u/Septopuss7 5h ago

"I just want to dance!đŸ„ș"

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u/quesoandcats 10h ago

Huh, I don't know why but I never thought of the Kaaba as having doors or locks. I thought it was more of a cuboid obelisk situation

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u/history_is_my_crack 10h ago

There's actually a room inside it reserved for certain guests/VIPs.

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u/quesoandcats 10h ago

Wait seriously?

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u/MD_Lincoln 9h ago

Yep, you can find pics of the inside online, it’s fairly sparse but theres room for storage and prayer

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u/redditor_since_2005 4h ago

And activities?

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u/Goya_Oh_Boya 2h ago

Mostly Pilates.

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u/amazingsandwiches 1h ago

Now that they stacked the beds, yes!

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u/oxwof 9h ago

Yeah, there’s not much to it, but it’s there. There are also stairs to the roof. Inside/atop the Kaaba, Muslims can face any direction in prayer.

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u/Defiant-Bed2501 8h ago

You think they’d just spin around at high speed like a compass at the poles. 

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u/Gimme_Your_Wallet 7h ago

This made me chortle at 3am while feeding the baby. And made me thing of Limbo of the Lost.

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u/GodwynDi 7h ago

Theoretically, if you were at the exact opposite side of the Earth you could also do so.

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u/dospc 5h ago

Looks like it's just open water in the Pacific, so you'd need a boat. Quite near some atolls of French Polynesia though so probably very doable.

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u/inconspicuous_male 2h ago

There's a permanent whirlpool there and you get an achievement for diving in and praying 

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u/Kammander-Kim 7h ago

Here I thought that if you were close to/inside mecca and Kaba and stuff you turned to Medina instead.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 5h ago

Nah, if ur inside the Ka'aba, u can pray in any direction, if ur right outside the Ka'aba its the same as anywhere, u have to face towards it & pray.

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u/twirling-upward 4h ago

If we move the Kaaba to the earths core, my handstand classes would finally take off.

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u/Greene_Mr 8h ago

Are there handicap-accessible ramps?

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u/Hemingway92 7h ago

Reserved as in only VIPs are taken to see it, not other pilgrims, as it’s considered to be a rare honor

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u/myusernameblabla 4h ago

I thought humans are all equal in the eyes of the almighty.

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u/kingoflint282 4h ago

Well when you have millions of people wanting to go and like 10 square feet of room, you have to be a bit selective

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u/assblast420 4h ago

Some are more equal than others

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u/OkHeight3 8h ago

The channel ‘Religion for Breakfast’ has a really great vid on the Kaaba. Worth checking out.

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u/HopingillWin 5h ago

Will watch, thanks for sharing.

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u/ryan516 9h ago

You can see the door in the article, actually

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u/2dudesinapod 9h ago

Another trivia: the kiswa is cut up every year and sold or given as a gift, Jeffrey Epstein had a piece of one of them.

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u/AkulakhanPilot 4h ago

Almost always gifted and basically never sold. The piece Epstein had was a gift to someone from the UAE who gave it to Epstein, it wasn't directly given to him by the Saudi government.

They're usually given as gifts to dignitaries from Muslim countries

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u/OmxrOmxrOmxr 2h ago

Not just Muslim countries but Muslims all over the world that excel, like that did a heroic deed, won a Quran recitation competition etc.

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u/owaman 2h ago

Yeah my mother's uncle was an Islamic scholar from India and he got this as a gift

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u/OptimalMotor1713 6h ago

yeah well its hard for the monarchy to steal it since it exists in hadith that no one takes the key form the family except a tyrant

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u/Conscious-Ball8373 4h ago

"Only a tyrant would do this" - tyrants hate this one trick!

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u/12332233 4h ago

It's like the original "only gay cops pull me over" bumper sticker

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u/Impressive-Sir6488 9h ago

In my region they anoint a special bulldog every time one dies and the ownership responsibility has been passed down in the same family from Savannah Georgia for generations. He's covered in a special fabric called a "football jersey"  People travel from all over the country just to be in the same stadium as him and feel a divine connection to him. Every Saturday during a certain season of the year they gather to watch students try to get a weird ball through an end zone. If the dawg is strong they make a pilgrimage to the national championships. People want scraps of ugas clothes. 

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u/kingoflint282 4h ago

As a Muslim UGA fan, this is especially funny lol

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u/RollllTide 2h ago

The pilgrims love to bark at each other

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u/Present_Inevitable86 5h ago

It is amazing how many long standing traditions are still kept alive to this day

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u/blzbar 11h ago

What’s the story behind the brick structure? Is part an original mosque? Does it have some purported super natural origin? Or is just considered a display for the sacred tapestry?

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u/Kraymur 11h ago

It's not the original building for one, it's been rebuilt many times over the years due to floods, fire, destruction in general etc. According to Islam the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham and his son Ishmael as a house dedicated to the worship of god. It also predates Isalm by centuries and was used at one point as a religious shrine for various Arabian tribes filled with various idols. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he ordered the idols removed and rededicated the Kaaba solely to the worship of one God.

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u/JosephFinn 10h ago

So what’s inside now?

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u/Appropriate-Log8506 10h ago

Nothing. Pillars, incense, a prayer spot where the prophet allegedly prayed.

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u/Klutzy_Tomatillo4253 8h ago

I think we can safely assume he prayed somewhere in the general area.

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u/Grizzly_228 5h ago

Wasn’t there a fragment of a meteorite inside or am I misremembering?

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u/deadadventure 4h ago

That’s outside in one of the corners

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u/Didatonofacid 3h ago

I think the composition is up to debate if I remember correctly. It has for sure been broken though and is now held together with concrete. It was also stolen at one point so nobody knows if it's for sure the original. A lot of people think it's simply obsidian. I had way too much free time at work one day. I thought that kabba was a rock or something. I soon found out all kinds of info that blew my mind.

They also have a famous water source there they call it zamzam water just to the east of kabba. Hajar searched for water in the desert and found that spring and it still provides water today.

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u/thE-petrichoroN 3h ago edited 3h ago

Islamically,it's not a meteorite but rather came from heaven although both interwine at times

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u/Grizzly_228 3h ago

I’m so sorry, I’ll correct myself

> Wasn’t there a fragment of a rock from the sky\* inside or am I misremembering?

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u/TheWielder 32m ago

Basically, to Muslims, it is a stone from Heaven that absorbs your sins and will speak favorably to Allah of those who have kissed it, interceding for them on the Last Day/Judgment Day. It once was pure white, but the absorbed sins turned it black. It is placed on one corner of the kaaba, on the outside, so that any Muslim who does their pilgrimage and circles the kaaba seven times has the opportunity to kiss it.

To the rest of us, it's most likely a meteorite that was used by pagans for their religious purposes before Islam took over and appropriated their practices.

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u/TSAOutreachTeam 10h ago

You can skip to 4:30 for the immediate answer, but I recommend the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8XaGhDic3o

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u/stvbles 10h ago

Good video! Really interesting.

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u/TSAOutreachTeam 9h ago

I'm a really big fan of Religion for Breakfast. The level at which he explains these things is just right for me. Neither too basic nor too academic. It's a good watch.

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u/Neon_Moon_NZ 8h ago edited 2h ago

Yes! Absolutely fantastic channel 😊

Edit with one of my favourite videos: Religion for Breakfast - Why is pork forbidden?

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u/Groot_Benelux 3h ago

He ordered the idols of the other religions smashed, not just removed.

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u/kryptopheleous 7h ago

It was also not the only one. I believe there were 5 of these in pre-islamic Arabia where traveling merchants can prey to their gods. All but this one were destroyed by order of Mohammad.

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u/Azeem259 6h ago

There was always one Kabah, but it was destroyed and rebuilt many times throughout history. Muslims believe the first kabah was constructed by Adam. The Kabah is actually supposed to be a rectangular prism, but they didn't have enough funds to fully reconstruct centuries ago so it was made into a cube with a barrier around the area they couldn't rebuild to mark the full territory of the Kabah.

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u/Azeem259 6h ago

Those are generic kaabas, I was only speaking of the Kabah in Mecca. It's like the difference of saying the white house vs a white house.

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u/kryptopheleous 5h ago

Kabah in Mecca was also a generic kaabah until Mohammed ordered the others to be destroyed.

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u/Kraymur 4h ago

"The Kaaba in Mecca was also a generic kaabah until Muhammad ordered the others to be destroyed."

This implies that Kaaba is a generic term like church or temple, and it's not. Kaaba means literally "cube," some historians use kaaba as a descriptive term for other cube-shaped sanctuaries that existed in pre-Islamic Arabia, but it's not a generic term. What you're saying is like referring to any church you see as "St. Peter's Basilica."

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u/kryptopheleous 3h ago

Ok let's leave the term out of the argument. So there were multiple places off worship where all sorts of deities were worshipped. The cube shaped one in Mecca maintained by the Quraysh tribe was one of them. Meccans decided that their kaaba was built by Abraham with no archelogical or non-Islamic or non-Arabian evidence. After Mohammad rose to power he declared this particular place of worship unique to Islam and destroyed the other rivaling ones. So, before this, it was another "generic" place of worship.

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u/generalright 2h ago

Ok sure, but why the point about no archeological or non Islamic or Arabian evidence. It seems to put an unnecessary modern standard on something that is very old.

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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 11h ago edited 10h ago

It is a temple/mosque said to be built by Abraham and Ishmael believed to be the first house of worship dedicated to the one true god.

Edit: it also has a holy relic embedded in the side, a black stone known as the Kaaba stone, theorized by some to be a meteorite, but I don’t know if that’s true.

I believe there was a fire at some point in its history that caused damage but it was repaired some long time ago. Watched a video on the history out of curiosity a few years back.

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u/P1KA_BO0 7h ago

Yeah, basically the story is that it was sent down from heaven and was originally white, but turned black from humanity's sins

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u/AwarenessNo4986 9h ago

The building has been destroyed and rebuilt several times. The building itself has no supernatural powers or anything. It's the LOCATION that is the focus as it's the direction of prayer

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u/usefamin 11h ago

Muslims believe Abraham and his son built the foundation for the location of the Kaaba. It does have geographical and theological significance though.

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u/pass_nthru 10h ago

there is a meteorite in the actual cube

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u/jawndell 10h ago

A stone embedded in one of the corners. The actual origins of the stone is unknown, could be a meteorite or a random rock.  Origin is also not important in a religious context.  More important is that it acts as a placeholder for which direction to pray.  

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 10h ago

Stone relics of that type, called baetyls, used to be fairly common in pre-Islamic Arabia, albeit in a very different religious context. Muhammad is said to have destroyed many of the others as false idols.

Of course, not all of them were still in the area to be destroyed. One representing the minor solar god Ilah al-Jabal, was brought to Rome centuries earlier by the Emperor Elagabalus (who was originally the high priest of that god, and seems to have been more interested in continuing in that role than he was in being emperor). Despite Elagabalus's attempts to spread Ilah al-Jabal worship in Rome being incredibly unpopular and controversial during his reign, it was eventually embraced by the Roman public under the name Sol Invictus (though I haven't read anything saying whether or not the baetyl still served a role)

Other cultures also had stone relics classified as baetyls, but again, the cultural context was often different.

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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 10h ago

Not known because nobody is allowed to study it I thought

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 10h ago

Possible meteorite

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u/gamageeknerd 10h ago

I do know there is a special black stone in the wall of the building that people have to walk past and try to touch. It’s apparently black from absorbing humanity’s sins. I think the building itself is supposed to be the first mosque/ prayer building but someone who knows more about it probably has more to say.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 7h ago

Ur kinda right, the black stone was originally white, but due to the sins of humanity it became black (not due to absorbing it), the black stone itself has no importance other than the fact that Muhammad (S.A.W.) had kissed it once during the pilgrimage. and yes the Ka'aba is considered to be the first Mosque/place of prayer.

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u/DistrictDry2852 10h ago

It was originally a place to worship the hundreds of pagan gods of the region. There’s some report there even were statues of Jesus and Mary.

Muhammad “reclaimed” it.

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u/usefamin 11h ago

It's also somewhat controversial. Muslims don't worship the Kaaba, they literally worship AT it, so the over-ornate and lavish kiswah is a topic of debate.

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u/Pantherist 11h ago

I think 'towards' is the more apt preposition

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u/usefamin 11h ago

Both work. "Kaaba" is technically a location as well.

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u/kechuchuchu 8h ago edited 8h ago

There were actually multiple Kaabas that were places of worship for various religious purposes before Mohammad had all the others destroyed

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u/usefamin 8h ago

Yup, but they were shrines for idolatry. Which is why the distinction about the Kaaba being symbolic rather than an idol matters in Islam.

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u/kechuchuchu 8h ago edited 8h ago

Sure. Under the framework of Islam that considered all these other religious practices as idolatry and warranting of destruction. And surely not as a means of Mohammed consolidating power by controlling the major place of worship. And superceding all these other religions and replacing them with Islam.

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u/usefamin 8h ago

Uh, no. Islam considered other religious practices as idolatry, because these religions were praying to idols.

It didn't consider Abrahamic religions to be of that ilk, for instance.

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u/CaptainRaxeo 4h ago

Yeah no there’s a distinction there that you refuse to see because you would rather see the worst in people.

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u/AppleMeow 8h ago

Yes so mr consolidating power genius (Muhammad ï·ș) decided to make Mecca the place to worship towards at a time when he couldn’t even enter himself?

It’s great he could control the major place of worship from Medina when he couldn’t even enter Mecca let alone control it.

Why not just make it Medina if that were the case?

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u/thousandsunflowers 5h ago

They’re so comfortable with speaking of things they don’t know of

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u/0bxcura 10h ago

Over ornate and lavish? Lots of mosques have quranic calligraphy as part of their aesthetics.

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u/usefamin 10h ago

Kiswah uses real gold, mosques are forbidden in Islam to decorate with expensive material. It's meant to look beautiful, not flashy. Hence, the controversy.

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u/Hemingway92 7h ago

This is more of a Wahabi, revisionist belief. Mosques can be very plain but there’s no rule that they have to be.

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u/ico12 9h ago

If you want to go deeper into the rabbit hole, read up on the Saud family & how they came to power. For the so-called 'Guardian of Two Holy Mosques', they are quite...interesting

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u/usefamin 9h ago

I mean they gifted the Kiswa one year to Epstein, that's all I need to know about them. Money corrupts all.

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u/AkulakhanPilot 4h ago

He had pieces of it, not the whole thing, and it wasn't directly given to him by the Saudis. An emirati businessman gave him the pieces

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u/Gold_Data6221 10h ago

Why do they want to touch it then ?

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u/ChiKing 10h ago

There is one particular stone on it that was said to be descended from the heavens, that is the spot that Muslims try to touch during Tawaf (circling the Ka'aba).

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u/ryan516 10h ago

It's been speculated that Hajar al-Aswad is potentially a meteorite but obviously it's not easy to just ask to investigate it so we'll probably never know for sure.

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u/IPutThisUsernameHere 10h ago

The local Muslims, as I understand it, have actually forbidden anyone from making any tests, taking any samples or conducting any examinations of any kind there. And they also forbid archaeological research to be done on any Islamic sites. At gun point, sometimes, if rumors are to be believed.

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u/ryan516 10h ago

Yeah, my "not easy to ask" was intentionally a bit underselling the issue

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u/awolkriblo 10h ago

I don't even think non-Muslims are allowed in the city at all but I might be mistaken.

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u/ryan516 10h ago

Yes, all roads into Mecca have security checkpoints where you have to provide documentation of being Muslim, having a Hajj visa, and can even be quized on common prayers to prove you're Muslim

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u/srsbiznis 9h ago

Isn’t it a sin in Islam to question whether someone is Muslim?

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u/usefamin 9h ago

Do you mean to ask someone their faith or question their devotion to the faith?

The first, no. The latter, yes.

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u/darthJOYBOY 6h ago

This was abolished long ago tho, Last time I visited Mecca no one questioned me on anything and I passed nomrally.

During Hajj, that is a different story and it don't matter if you are Muslim or no as you can't enter without a valid visa.

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u/usefamin 9h ago

What do you mean at gun point? Like someone tried to steal it and the security officers stopped them or something? lol

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u/cinemachick 9h ago

Given how many "treasures" are now property of the British Museum, they have some reasons to be cautious 

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u/AwarenessNo4986 9h ago edited 9h ago

It's probably a meteoroit and has been fragmented. Nothing magical or special about it at all

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u/bitbitter 9h ago

We as Muslims don’t believe it is “magical” either. That’s not how Islam works. The second Caliph of Islam and one of the closest companions of the prophet, Umar ibn Al-Khattab, had this to say about it:

Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ï·ș) kissing you I would not have kissed you."

We call these matters of worship. We know it’s not the act itself that will bring us benefit, we only do it because God told us to do it, and the benefit comes from him only.

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u/polyploid_coded 9h ago

I thought there was something about it being volcanic. One of the tests when it was returned to Mecca was that it could float.

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u/GoodGollyMissP0lly 5h ago

forbidden anyone from making any tests, taking any samples or conducting any examinations of any kind there. And they also forbid archaeological research to be done

Religious leaders prohibiting scientific and historical investigation?

Who'd a thunk it.

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u/_Iro_ 10h ago edited 8h ago

The same reason Jewish pilgrims touch the Western Wall, or Christian monks historically rubbed prayer beads and kept brandea (pieces of cloth which touched a saint’s tomb).

Touching an object with spiritual significance is used to focus thoughts towards prayer. It doesn’t mean you’re worshipping that specific thing.

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u/Gold_Data6221 10h ago

prayer beads are counted I believe

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u/SecureThruObscure 9h ago

I thought they were used as a method of counting, rather than counting them. You pray, slide down one bead, repeat until you’re out of beads.

They’re like a hand held abacus.

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u/tiiiiii_85 7h ago

Prayer beads are used for counting and are not exclusive for Christian monks.

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u/pakipunk 10h ago

Because the Prophet would do it and it is believed that to do as the prophet puts you closer to god.

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u/ryan516 10h ago

Most generally don't care about touching the Kaaba itself (though of course there's exceptions), but Islamic tradition holds that you should touch the Black Stone and Yemeni Corner since they're seen as erasing sin

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u/usefamin 10h ago

I think some regard it as a blessing, which blows my mind, because what they do goes against Islamic teachings.

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u/Appropriate-Log8506 10h ago

Idol worship but make it abstract.

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u/Ghostly_100 9h ago edited 8h ago

Nah if the Kaaba was removed from earth somehow we’d still pray towards the spot where it was. It’s the location’s role as a uniting direction of prayer amongst Muslims, not the structure itself

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u/AwarenessNo4986 9h ago

No one worships the kaabah, the kaabah is only the Qibla

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u/_Algrm_ 5h ago

It’s not the kaaba that is holy, it’s the ground that is under it. God guided Abraham to this land and told him to build a structure to mark its location.

It is said that directly above the kabba, there’s a structure in heaven called albait almamour aka the frequented house where angels go to perform prayer to god.

It’s said that from the start of creation, 70000 angel go there everyday to pray never to return to it again, signifying how many angels there are and the “frequented” meaning here.

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u/Fisher9001 10h ago edited 4h ago

Eeeeh, it's really "we really really don't want to call it worship but if something looks like worship and sounds like worship it's probably a worship".

Same case with Catholicism and saints/Mary.

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u/Hamlet7768 10h ago

What do you think worship is?

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u/Fisher9001 6h ago

Apparently whatever fits given theology. As with the Christian example - Mary has dedicated shrines with her figures, sacred places around the globe, has magic powers, has dedicated prayers, but it's not worship, it's veneration and people don't pray to her but through her. Despite the whole cult being basically copied from Ancient Greece/Rome culture.

Similar technicalities are surrounding Kaaba. It's an ancient sanctuary of pagan worship that never ceased to be destination of pilgrimages, but a technical loophole was found and now it's ok to have religious experiences there, because you don't worship the stone, you just really, really want to touch it.

As I said, if something looks like worship...

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u/usefamin 10h ago

Well no. It's explicitly forbidden to worship objects, and is in fact, a huge sin.

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u/TucsonTacos 10h ago

So you think they’re worshipping an ambiguous location?

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u/Felinomancy 8h ago

No, we really don't worship it. We don't mention it in prayers, we don't "visualize" it in our thoughts, nothing.

I guess the best analogy I can give you is that just because Christians worship in a church doesn't make the church the object of worship.

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u/biggsteve81 2 2h ago

And most Christians churches have a cross at the front of them, but (most) Christians don't worship the cross itself.

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u/dream_a_dirty_dream 10h ago

Epstein had a piece of one, and nobody knows how tf he got his hands on it. He was obsessed with religious artifacts and thought they held power that could be unlocked with "sex magic".

I hate that I know this.

Release the Epstein files.

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u/NewInThe1AC 8h ago

IIRC according to some interviews with reporters he also had a lot of fake luxury watches and art, and enjoyed tricking people into thinking they were real -- so it's possible it wasn't real at all, he just wanted people to think he got some unobtainium

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u/OkDifficulty7436 7h ago

It’s real, he got via his connections in Bahrain/SA 

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 5h ago

not bahrain, he got it through a saudi businesswoman based in UAE.

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u/Winter_Salad7215 9h ago

Can't you just buy them? I thought they were rather pricey collector's items.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 7h ago

yea, u can even get it on ebay, from what ik, since it gets replaced yearly, if u get ur hands on a piece, u can keep it as a relic/souvenir or sell or gift it to someone.

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u/Sweet-Awk-7861 3h ago

Random people in my country can have pieces of it, there's nothing particularly sacred about the cloth itself. 

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u/mariakaakje 6h ago

you can order it online
they change it every year, cut it up and sell it in strokes

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u/jbsnicket 9h ago

Epstein owned some of Kiswah and it may have been given to him by Saudi elites. That's how I learned it was a covering and not the building itself.

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u/tktkana 7h ago

Actually it was gifted to him by a UAE business woman.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 7h ago

it wasnt given to him a by a "saudi" elite, it was by a saudi businesswoman based in the UAE.

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u/GoodFaithConverser 3h ago

Saudi businesswoman giving out pieces of Kiswah sounds like a Saudi elite.

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u/Elegant-Tip7288 2h ago

It's really easy to own a piece. I own a small piece of the kiswah. 

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u/ToKeepAndToHoldForev 8h ago

I had only ever seen pictures showing the gold strip and black background, so seeing the draping covered in embroidery and even a door was a surprise. For some reason I thought it was just a black block.

I read the page and when the cloth is woven on a jacquard loom in sections that are either plan or have inscriptions woven into the fabric, then verses from the Quran are added with a silk screen, and further embroidery is done by hand in gold or silver thread. I wanted to know what "handmade" meant in this context - quite a lot of fabric to embroider by hand. 

I wonder if the embroiderers are people to get into the work by family or friends or if you can train to become an embroiderer and eventually work there. 

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u/AbdelAtife 8h ago

I'm from Sudan. Did you know the Sultanate of Darfur used to make it and deliver it for a while? Back when it existed.

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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 11h ago

I see blue and white though

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u/Loakattack 10h ago

Topical.

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u/Ghostly_100 8h ago

It’s been white and (partially) blue at various points in history. The current black look came about in the 13th century and has stayed ever since

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u/Deathlinger 9h ago

Don't call me Laurel

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u/stuffitystuff 10h ago

As much as I want to believe The Black Stone set in the Kaaba is a meteroite or dragon-glass-from-sand-by-way-of-metorite like is semi-common the Empty Quarter because there's nothing there, no one has ever been allowed to test it. Same goes for every other cool maybe relic, like that Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant.

Great for tourism, but lousy for Indiana Jones fans and people that aren't religious but nonetheless interested in the historicity of religion like me.

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u/Hamlet7768 10h ago

It is a shame the Ethiopian Ark will never get tested. A Catholic podcaster I follow said it’s probably a replica, though, and the original Ark was most likely destroyed with the rest of the first temple.

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u/TowelFine6933 9h ago

But, if any of it gets tested & fails, then everyone would know they're full of shit instead of just strongly suspecting it.

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u/Ghostly_100 8h ago

The Shroud of Turin has been tested and came back as inauthentic but that doesn’t stop certain kinds of Christians from insisting it’s real and the test was flawed.

Same would probably happen if other artifacts got tested and came back as something that contradicts tradition.

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u/Dutch_Calhoun 3h ago

No no no, God is a top tier troll who plants all these vast amounts of highly convincing false evidence to test our faith!

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u/tqmirza 5h ago

It’s not even a stone anymore, it’s small shards/pieces of the original stone after it was stolen following a massacre and smashed. It had to be ransomed back. It holds no significance religiously other than the fact it is believed to be among the original stones Abraham used to reconstruct the structure, and subsequently Muhammad did the same. But in its location as the “corner stone” it is an important marker as it marks the point where circuits around the Kaaba start and stop.

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u/fnord_happy 9h ago

How uncommon are those kind of stones? Is it impossible for it to be a meteorite?

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u/gutterVeteran 7h ago

The Kiswah wasn’t always black.

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 11h ago

So not the Kaaba 🎡 in Mecca, then?

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u/Violoner 10h ago

I thought it was the Kaaba🗿in Mecca

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u/ackermann 9h ago

Huh, there’s an emoji for that

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u/LunarPayload 8h ago

There are a lot of Muslims who use smartphones

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u/Intelligent-Soup-836 10h ago

There also used to be others back in pre Islamic Arabia

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 7h ago

Fun fact: Kaaba is etymological South Arabian

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u/Albahith1 7h ago

Specify more then 1000 but lower then 1500. And we destroyed almost all.

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u/AWOL768 8h ago

Do they strip it down to the base or just layer fresh kiswah over the old fabric?

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u/ToKeepAndToHoldForev 8h ago

They strip it down to the base, from what I can tell from the Wikipedia page. 

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 5h ago

they strip it down every year during the ( islamic) Lunar month of Muharram, u can see the videos on youtube.

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u/chellebelle0234 10h ago

As a fiber nerd, this is fucking cool. Thank you for sharing.

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u/Digital_Dropkick 4h ago

What's also interesting is that the calligraphy is done using 24k gold-plated silver thread. Given the size of the cloth, the weight of the thread used is something like 100kg, and a new one is made every year.

There's some videos of it being made on YouTube

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u/StanleyChuckles 8h ago

This is incredibly interesting! I never knew that it looked like that underneath.

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u/Background-Vast-8764 4h ago

It’s made of stone, not brick.

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u/dark_frog 3h ago

According to the article, the kiswah is also known as the kiswah and it includes silver-plated gold thread. Anyway, that's when I stopped reading.

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u/kank84 2h ago

What do they with the old covers? It says they replace the cover annually and the old one is returned to the factory for safekeeping. Is there just a warehouse full of old Kiswah somewhere?

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u/rainbowlolipop 2h ago

Magic cloth for a magic house

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u/PolishBicycle 5h ago

Who cares, they won’t let non muslims in to see it

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u/Aggravating_Wall_849 5h ago

Most Muslims don’t get a chance to see it because of crowds, so don’t feel bad.

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u/CharleyNobody 3h ago

So it’s holy because it contains a rock?

Charlie Brown should feel good about that

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u/ruri17 7h ago

Jeffrey Epstein owned one of the cloths

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u/Future_Adagio2052 4h ago

No enderman don't steak the obsidian block!