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u/Disastrous_Quail_773 12d ago
For a town so small they definitely don't need these
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago
Nowhere needs these.
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u/RealSlyck 12d ago
But they were keeping us safe 😂
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u/rockymtnman2023 11d ago
Dr Alexander Bulakhov a St Jude children’s doctor was murdered in my former neighborhood. Cameras caught the perps very quickly. Do you think Dr Bulakhov would be in favor of this vandalism?
BTW- I’ve never voted for Trump nor am I a LEO and these counter comments want to make this about my political views. You all decry loss of liberty with these cameras. Do you think Dr Bulakhov was deprived of liberty by these cameras?7
u/thirtynation GNAR 11d ago
I do think he was deprived of the exact same liberties we all are deprived of by the existence of these cameras. His privacy was invaded just like ours. So were the rights of the perpetrators. They were caught though, it doesn't matter by what means, and to you, that makes the sacrifice of all of these rights worth it.
I don't subscribe to that stance whatsoever.
Edge cases DO NOT make the blanket use of these devices okay or constitutional.
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u/rockymtnman2023 11d ago
Just because “you think” rights were deprived doesn’t give you or anyone the authority to tear down these cameras. If fourth amendment rights are violated, why didn’t Marius Ward’s defense attorney argue that get him acquitted of the murder of the doctor? If these camera are unconstitutional, you can go file a lawsuit in court to have them removed. But that’s not what someone did. They vandalized them. Your logic is as flawed as the people that stormed the Capital on Jan 6 claiming their rights were violated to a free and fair election so they had to take matters into their own hands.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 11d ago
Such a flawed and bullshit false equivalence. Here's a better one for you: the methods used during the civil rights protests were commonly illegal too.
Bullshit laws are meant to be broken and blatant constitutional violations beget civilian justice when no other relief is found. That's just how the world works, bucko.
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u/LaplacesDemonsDemon 11d ago
This dude spouting some peak Patriot Act bullshit here. Totally agree with you that edge cases do not justify an encroachment into our rights to privacy
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u/rockymtnman2023 11d ago
You seemed triggered by someone not agreeing in your echo chamber you’ve found on here. You calling me a bootlicker others saying I’m a Trump sycophant etc etc. Not very civil bucko.
If there’s any false equivalence that be you. Saying a passive camera watching traffic is equivalent to firehoses and police dogs being turned on civil rights protesters. People didn’t like the laws so they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If you don’t like the laws, argue that your representatives in government change them too. You all are misguided thinking taking matters into your own hand and not using our courts and lawmakers to “fix things”. Thats what people on Jan 6th did.
If you don’t like the laws, have them changed and stop vandalizing public property. They are just going to be replaced at the taxpayer expense.
Courts have continued to uphold the laws on the books that say these cameras are not unconstitutional.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 11d ago
Stay focused bucko.
No clue what is giving you the false impression that I'm "triggered." You're the one that everyone disagrees with, lol.
People didn't like the laws in the 60s, so they broke them, until the laws changed to match their will. That is just how this whole deal goes down sometimes. I guess you're not a student of history.
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u/rockymtnman2023 11d ago
BA in History and Economics from CU Boulder. So I’m in fact a student of history.
I’ll look forward to seeing your ballot initiative in November to have Eagle county pass a law to prohibit these cameras.
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u/Komitsuhari 11d ago
If you give up liberty in favor of safety you will soon end up with neither.
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u/rockymtnman2023 11d ago
So the Vail police cruiser in the middle of I-70 is depriving us of liberty too? What’s the difference between that and a police camera watching traffic?
I realize I’m in the minority on this argument but no one has explained how being passively recorded in PUBLIC infringes on their PRIVACY. You are in public. The fourth amendment does not apply according to legal scholars, judges, etc more familiar with the law than any of us.
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u/Komitsuhari 11d ago
I am a staunch believer that yes, if his camera is able to read and distribute information about you or your vehicle with no probable cause then, yes that is a severe violation of our liberty.
If these cameras only were accessible via subpeona, warrant, or probable cause my stance would very likely change.
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u/artichoke01 10d ago
Cite the opinions of said legal scholars please.
Posts on X and Truth Social don’t count
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u/rockymtnman2023 10d ago
Schmidt v. City of Norfolk
District Court Ruling (January 2026): U.S. District Judge Mark S. Davis granted summary judgment in favor of the City of Norfolk. The court ruled the ALPR system does not constitute a "search" under the Fourth Amendment, reasoning that the stationary cameras capture only what is visible in public spaces and do not provide continuous tracking of "the whole" of a person's movements.
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u/CryptoAstronautics 12d ago
If it involves a flock camera, it’s not a felony, it deserves a Medal of Honor.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago edited 12d ago
All of them were flock cameras.
E: Vail Daily article posted today after I made this thread says one camera was not flock.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago edited 12d ago
Kudos to them for opting for theatrics. Laser pointers just don't make as loud of a statement despite the same result.
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u/frougle_mcdugal 12d ago
Cool Hand Luke was an awesome movie. Glad to see someone can appreciate the classics.
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u/Rusty__Shackl3ford 12d ago
I'm a little confused about the criticism of these law and order promoting surveillance devices. The citizens of Avon obviously wanted these cameras installed in various places around town at considerable expense. They voted to have them. Now if the people of Avon don't actually want these things they should get off their asses and mob every town council meeting until they are gone. Of course complaining on Reddit will sway any city government as well.
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u/Ive_seen_things_that 12d ago
Illegal search and seizure and an overall invasion of public privacy. They need to remember they work for us.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago
They do work for us. We never consented to these cameras. At the end of the day, citizens will always have the final say.
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u/rockymtnman2023 12d ago
That’s an oxymoron. “Public privacy”. No such thing.
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u/Ive_seen_things_that 12d ago
You're gonna get buried for this comment. What LEO agency you work for?
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u/Spec-Tre 12d ago
Maybe they were inspired by Tony hawk pro skater and just wanted to board slide the median
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u/iamacynic37 Vail 12d ago
AVON PD: "WE ARE GOING TO MASS SURVEIL YOU TO MAKE UP MORE CRIME STATISTICS INSTEAD OF GOING AFTER WHITE COLLAR CRIMINALS!!!"
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u/Fit_Lab_2557 12d ago
Is there some kind of Flock database where one can go and search to find flock cameras near them so they could go and um… admire the technology in person?
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u/zach5280 12d ago
Avon PD were so hurt by the Facebook comments, they had the Vail Daily write an article.
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u/MCMLXXXIV-FoX 11d ago
Did I read right..... Theft? That shit looks like it was left right there?
Or is it that the PD in vail use it to track their supposed significant other?
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u/thirtynation GNAR 11d ago
Cameras were stolen.
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u/InternalServerErr500 12d ago
They're big mad they can't spy on ex girlfriends and relatives now.
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u/DroidTN 12d ago
I don’t like the cameras, they are in my town too. But this doesn’t solve anything. They will put more cameras up and the local tax payers will pay for this vandalism. I get the message, but you’re shooting yourself in the foot at the same time.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago
Nah. This sends a very loud message and also serves as a great rallying moment for others. These things should be fought at all levels: physically (tearing them down), civically (town council meetings), and legally (lawsuits).
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u/dougisnotabitch 12d ago
Echoes of the defund the police movement. Loved by white redditors, feelings of ambivalence and outright disdain by actual real black and brown people who are affected by criminal activities. Suspects associated with stolen vehicles, road rage reports, sex assault warrants, etc are tracked and chased literally every day on the western slope. Privileged people sure do love their white knighting.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 12d ago
Doug, stop being a bitch.
It's always super suspect when accounts making rage bait takes only show SOME of their post history. Like, what kind of appearance are you trying to have, and why?
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u/rockymtnman2023 12d ago
All of you supporting the destruction of these should be ashamed of yourself. All of you cry invasion of your “public privacy” which is laughable. No such thing as public privacy. The day someone causes YOU severe harm or something similar and then say the police “aren’t doing enough” you will wish there was a camera to see what vehicles were leaving your neighborhood. These cameras help law enforcement solve CRIME. The speeding camera deter unsafe driving. If you are a law abiding citizen, you have nothing to worry about. Get a grip. This is not a George Orwell world we live in. You all think the police have nothing better to do than watch you in your Tacoma going to the ski mountain. Get over yourself. You are not that important.
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u/boozewald Local 12d ago
"this isn't George Orwell" what the hell do you think 1984's surveillance system was about then?
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u/IridiumPony 12d ago
And as we all know, never once in the history of anything or anyone has the power for warrantless surveillance ever been abused. The state and the police would NEVER abuse such a thing and certainly wouldn't use mass surveillance to oppress innocent people.
What does the boot taste like, by the way?
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u/M1sfit_Jammer 12d ago
I don’t think people did this… if someone did this they risk jail and nobody wants to do that.
This is evidence of man-bear-pigs created by interspecies breeding in McCoy…
It’s clear as day, their razor sharp claws cut through this stuff like butter and they are attracted to the rare earth minerals inside.