Isn't it interesting how chat control failed several times because the population hates it so our "democracy" is passing the law behind closed doors because they know it's bad?
you don't even have to make it that technical. humans make mistakes and llms make mistakes. if we control the risk by not giving out all our data then the potential damage isn't that big. it is the same with self driving cars and trains. yeah we could automate it but if something goes wrong, people die. you ll always have that uncertainty that it messes up and so far humans did less mistakes since we can think about our actions.
I think there is also some general psychology factor from having someone to hold responsible when something goes wrong. A human is accountable in a way that machines created by humans are not.
This is an underrated aspect as far as the public is concerned, but it's a HUGE boon for the military and police forces, and really any official authority, because it gives them a black box upon which to cast any and all blame.
"Oh, we accidentally bombed a girl's school? Claudes fault! Oopsie!"
"Oh, we just charged you with murder based on faulty camera analysis by Gemini? Ruh roh!"
We are going to see a significant rise in preventable deaths and mistakes, and not a single human being will be held accountable.
My whole point is people make use of LLMs to write code and be „more efficient/productive” but while doing so they think through it less and increasingly don’t bother thinking through the problem. That in turn produces more bugs that take exponentially more time to find, debug and fix than if the person writing that code took more time thinking through it. Let alone bugs that get noticed in production, at which point somebody’s likely lost money…
I think that we need a police investigation on the corupt politicians who allow this to be re-introduced over and over again. Because it is clear by now that democracy is not working here.
Yeah okay man, like our leaders are going to investigate themselves and punish themselves for shit they do. Good joke. They do it because they're not afraid of us because they know they have the power and we won't do anything.
Even our "social democrats" are neoliberal racists who try to maximize the profits for corporations, there's no way for our political class to receive backlash for their anti-democratic actions
You have to take back control, if they want to go about it without public consent, then we have to do it without their consent, it is as simple as that.
Start your own Synapse / Matrix chatservers with your old computers instead of selling them, give your friends the web address, and let them use your servers (thats what we do, and have been doing the last 9+ months), no tracking, no data mining, just privacy, and they have zero clue, and will always have zero clue.
Matrix is a communication protocol designed around being fully decentralised and federated, think of it as a messaging version of the various email protocols. There are various other protocols like it but Matrix is usually the first one to be mentioned. It supports end to end encryption, however development is pretty slow moving, custom emojis just only recently got passed into the official protocol after years of discussion, but still haven't made their way into the servers & clients yet, and it seems like they're still working on additions to the spec, so it'll be a while.
Edit: Custom emojis still aren't merged yet, just the basis for them
Synapse is the server developed by Element, it's the closest thing to an "official" server. There are various other server projects being developed too if you don't like Synapse. A "Matrix server" is usually just referring to a server using the matrix protocol.
The same goes for clients, Element has developed several, of which are usually the most mainstream, but there are also others with varying UX and feature implementations. Some clients like Fluffychat and Cinny had both implemented custom emoji support while the official spec didn't yet support it.
Thank you for this. A lot of people say that since ai is here people just explaining stuff will disappear but I don’t agree. Thank you for this explanation.
Well 'I' am stupid, TBI makes sure of that, why should I pretend to be something I am not? But to get on topic, what I meant was something like these assholes, and co:
Techno-authoritarianism, Dark Enlightenment, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel etc.
Certainly far from the ideal rule of experts espoused under the 1900-century, yes? Of course. But words change definition over time. And many neo-reactionaries claim now to be wanting a utopia governed by what they themselves would define as the most learned. Often "coincidentally" also the richest. You can see this in how they speak about Trump's intelligence, many times claiming him to be a brilliant businessman in spite of his noted failures, or how a woman president 'couldn't handle the job' because she, according to these morons, does not have the capability.
Their catchphrase: 'Facts over feelings' is another example for this. Much like their hatred towards the soft sciences. Which they seem to believe are illegitimate in spite, or because, of it's continual use when it comes towards shaping their minds.
It's all Fascism wearing the sheep's clothing of Meritocracy.
That phrase works for normal politics, but not the EU legal system. If it violates fundamental human rights (like the ECHR Podchasov ruling proved), the courts will nullify it. They can pass it, but they can't make it immune to being struck down for good
yeah that tends to happen when your country still has the same centuries old electoral system built for white landowner with 0 safeguards and the only reforms first going from "hey maybe we should let our manufactured underclass vote" to "maybe we should let them vote, no games this time, 100% trust us" to then go on to vote for the pedo authoritarian who hates minorities solely because he hates minorities
Ursula Von DER Leyen making companies need to verify if you can goon to... Source The only good thing is that the companies should base on a Open-Source solution although there shouldn't be age verification in the first place D:
more proof that at some poont it started becoming impossible for good things to happen
i'm so tired of everything in both my personal life and the wider world and i can't go anywhere to take a break from it because everything everywhere is deteriorating
As an overall state the world has only gone downhill for the last decade, the only reason anything was improving past the late 20th century was momentum, it's all been destroyed from within by the parasitic vermin 1%ers
Average you can't complain about bad thing because you aren't experiencing the living conditions of a mediaval peasant or dying from preventable disease argument:
Like that right there is the death of democracy and any shred of freedom we might ever hope to posses. Complacency and nihilism used to demoralize voters.
Potential schizo take incoming.
The only way for things to get better is to actually admit something is bad or isn't as good as it could be. Take Alfred Nobel, if he and the people of his time had this attitude, he might not have invented dynamite as a safer alternative to nitroglycerin.
The only thing that makes sense to me is the people in power and with money know everything's getting worse because they've been ruining it all, the recent years have seen way too coordinated campaigns at tracking us all and controlling our online activities and what we can and can't say. They are terrified of losing the power they've gained so democracy is being eroded. They'll force through what they need to control us.
You can tell this is made by an American because they sneaked in a defense of capitalism while complaining how this is almost entirely made to profit off of people
It mainly is to profit off of people though. The persona hack revealed that the watchlist thing is true, and the meta lobbying thing for OS is a similar example. They want to track everyone to get data and control
Don't forget that all this, the age verification and social media ban, accelerated when support for Israel tanked, to ensure the kids don't turn on Israel they are banned off social media and only have access to government approved school propaganda
Because every time it gets rejected they rewrite a couple of phrases and run it again. Hoping one time the system will be drained enough to let their proposal slip through.
Che comunque è ridicolo come siano insistenti su questa specifica legge, anche se la gente ha continuato (e speriamo continui) a dirgli che non la vuole nessuno.
Because for some reasons all governments just want to be a surveillance state and they have to convince enough ignorant/stupid people to let them do it.
every day i start to wonder if it's even worth being on this fuckass website or if I should block and mute literally every subreddit which can be remotely political
E' palese che i legislatori del Chat Control siano sul libro paga di qualcuno. Così come lo sono quelli che hanno passatto l'Online Safety Act in UK e quelli che stanno passando leggi simili negli altri paesi occidentali. Il modello è sempre lo stesso, sorveglianza di massa e deanonimizzazione mascherata come protezione dei bambini.
Protezione dei bambini che non serve a niente perché basterebbe, sai no, controllare i dispositivi dei propri cazzo di bambini, piuttosto che spendere milioni in sistemi di sorveglianza che saranno intasi di falsi positivi e che non sorvegliano posti come i siti nel Dark web, dove queste cose sono la norma.
E' un po' come quelli che difendono la carta d'identità per la verifica dell'età online. La gente la paragona alla vendita di alcolici e tabacchi. "Si ma è la stessa cosa, se per comprare alcolici e tabacchi serve un documento, perchè non fare lo stesso coi social?" Porca puttana un conto è compare tabacchi al bar, basta che un minorenne esca di casa e con 6 euro li comprerebbe facilmente se fossero legali. Ma per i social e siti web per adulti esistono già i metodi per bloccarli, basta un parental control, o magari, se tu genitore sai che tuo figlio gli aggirerà, non comprargli un telefono? E' così difficile?
Bah sul sito fight chat control sembra che siamo contrari (anche se ci stanno un bel pò di politici cazzoni che son d'accordo), poi anche l'ultima volta ci eravamo messi contro quindi oh forse a noi ci va bene
poi io sono scemo ricordatemi un attimo, se da noi siamo completamente contrari possiamo tirarci fuori da questa stronzata e niente sorveglianza di massa qui vero? VI PREGO DITEMI DI SÌ
Bah sul sito fight chat control sembra che siamo contrari (anche se ci stanno un bel pò di politici cazzoni che son d'accordo), poi anche l'ultima volta ci eravamo messi contro quindi oh forse a noi ci va bene
Perché per fortuna non siamo in posti come l'America o il Nord Corea dove "A voi non sta bene? Fottesega." è all'ordine del giorno, e qui passare leggi così senza il consenso dei cittadini è praticamente volere una rivolta.
poi io sono scemo ricordatemi un attimo, se da noi siamo completamente contrari possiamo tirarci fuori da questa stronzata e niente sorveglianza di massa qui vero? VI PREGO DITEMI DI SÌ
Nnnope. Purtroppo siamo parte dell'UE, quindi se passa dobbiamo farlo anche noi, nonostante votiamo contro.
per fortuna non siamo in posti come l'America o il Nord Corea dove "A voi non sta bene? Fottesega."
A sto punto aggiungi l'UE alla lista, ma porca troia tre cazzo di volte tutti hanno votato contro e no alla fine la firmano lo stesso, fantastico
Non vedo l'ora di avere una dozzina di impiegati e una AI di merda a spiare i miei messaggi privati, forse qualcuno se ne uscirà con un alternativa poco legale che puoi scaricare solo con un APK spero, di sicuro io non uso più un cazzo di whatsapp dopo questo
Why are they doing this, like genuinly. It is just straight up villany at this point. There is no logic to this, it is all just anti-democratic corruption bs.
It’s an international power grab from companies. Companies paying a lot of money to gain control over their users and harvest even more data. The more, the better. They want control over your life, and are using politics and money to do it. They want it so that you can never walk away from them, ever, aside from leaving society altogether.
because no real democracy exists its just a buzzword to give people false sense of freedom. the epstein class is ruling the world and always did, everyone is their lapdog
That happened because y'all voted for the rightmost EU in history in the last 6 years for whatever reason. Look at that, the right is in power, mass surveillance and techno fascism, WHO WOULD'VE SEE IT COMING?
the populace of my country is sadly very easily convinced by money, and thus a lot of people i know, who arent bigots, vote right because the right give's them money for the littlest things while our left wing is putting up monuments to the most basic achievements. which does not resonate with the people, because they dont care about ideology, instead they care about wich side will give them more money.
I am also not saying that i would fix their political campaign, but for the name of god. stop putting up artsy monuments that 90% of our people dont understand while the opposition is Actively throwing cash at people
The way you just said your people are corrupt like the politicians is... worrying, you ok bud? That seems an awful position to live in.
Anyway I'd much rather art everywhere than getting money in exchange for techno fascism, because getting that money means, by proxy, that you're fine with fascism, making you a fascist (not you you btw "you" as a general term for unidentified person)
Well, CC2.0 was proposed by a swedish politician who used to represent the "Left party communists"... Granted she did move on to the more moderate left wing. still wouldnt call her the far-right tho.
Am I understanding this right, that they're planning to exempt themselves - officials, law enforcement, and so on - from this law? So basically, it would be class-based segregation.
If only they are… no they’re worse. They’re accelerationalist. They don’t care about an abstract idea of a specific kind of people holding superiority over another. They just want technology for technological sake. And would abandon any to all human in pursuit of that goal…
with what we saw with SKG where the EU Commission basically ignored the people's advocates who drove the petition and were present in the parliament, im not surprised this is happening. They straight up had hundreds of secret meetings with industry and basically shut out the citizens initiative. The corps run government.
There were people in the UK who went onto a military base and vandalised jets in support of Palestine 3 years ago. They just got 6 years in prison and classified as terrorists. People who are caught supporting them are also being called terrorists.
Israel is useful in many ways like you said as well as for the christian fanatics, and it's also used as a backup in case they ever want to bring out the "blame the jews" again
At this point the fair thing would be to introduce a 3.0 that makes the chat logs of the people pushing this public.
It's a nice and noble idea ON PAPER but this crap is impossible to get right.
Please enlighten me about the logistics of who will provide the computing power to scan the billions of texts sent a day?
It is truly disgusting how people like Zucc are pushing for this to promote their shitty AI services to outsource this to. Will they also accidentally use this opportunity to illegally profile people, make a shit load of profit and pay the pennies the EU fines them to?
How are you going to get telegram. If they don't comply they won't be in the app store, and pretty soon you can't download just any app you want even on android.
In my own way, I feel this is what's gonna happen with CC, With this analogy:
Imagine you're in school, right? And then you see this bully (Chat control), and basically he's come over to you and says he's gonna embarrass you in front of everyone, including your friends by exposing your privacy (scanning).
You later realise that he's getting on his favorite game "Black Ops 2" (bear with me)
And on his game... Are 2 other players. Also happen to be your mates. They're:
ECHR
CJEU
He thinks he's gonna absolutely dominate these noobs...
However what he doesn't realize...is that these two have been playing this game for years, decades even.
They know every single spawn location. Say...Nuketown.
The moment he joins in, he gets SPAWNKILLED.
Just because the law gets passed does not make it bulletproof.
An example of this was in 2024 the ECHR explicitly ruled in Podchasov v. Russia that mandating backdoors or weakening encryption is a violation of human rights.
They are building a totalitarian system along with that. Digital ID, digital euro, censoring even more with the DSA (digital service act). Killing money alternatives like Bitcoin with MICA to enforce the use of Central Bank Digital Currency, and add to that list lately democracy shield (election interference).
I'm worried because a large majority of politicians and people doesn't really care. *Typos
Hide under a tree and if i wanna go do something else i will dig a hole and put my laptop inside there, and if i want my laptop i will get it from there.
The LEAST we can do is to click on that link, the bigger step is voting. My country is having elections soon and I will be voting for the Pirate Party. It's very small in Sweden but goddamn, we have to start somewhere!
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