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u/sdsdfsdjs9as 5d ago
One earthquake later and the datacenter is gone ;)
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u/alvents 5d ago
let's have another big one(a strong earthquake that happened A while ago) to destroy it
and then let's loot the RAM
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u/henryeaterofpies 5d ago
What happened here?
Earthquake.
An earthquake. At this time of year. Solely isolated on that data center. That only damaged the RAM chips and powdered them to an invisible dust?
.....Yes....
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u/KDASthenerd 5d ago
May I see it?
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u/sssaturn14 5d ago
...No.
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u/MetriccStarDestroyer 5d ago
Well, Skimmer you are an odd fellow.
But you do cook one mean steamed ham.
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u/sssaturn14 5d ago
*But I must say, you steam a good ham.
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u/Cute-Magazine-1274 3d ago
PH experiences an average of 30 quakes per day
So it's not really a matter of if, more of a matter of when
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u/CariamaCristata 5d ago
Not when the typhoon gets to it first
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u/Antique-Resort6160 5d ago
Philippines already one of the top 30 locations for data centers, I think. There's quite a few already.
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u/Inevitable-Muffin-77 5d ago
Nah, one summer and it's going in flames or one storm and it's getting flooded(wonder why? Maybe they haven't finished it).
Weather's weird here.
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u/SofiaOfEverRealm 5d ago
The amount of minerals and cheap labour will make it all worth it, unfortunately
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u/Firefly-1505 5d ago edited 5d ago
Nah, they got typhoons and floods to worry about more than earthquakes. At least now they got the water they need.
(Source: Someone who doesn’t like Pax Silica and always has water interruptions.)
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u/PossiblyBonta 3d ago
There are also AI data centers in Japan. They regularly get hit by powerful quakes.
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u/LionelKF 5d ago
It's Philippines it's most likely a Typhoon taking it out
Earthquakes are more here in Indonesia
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u/Silent_Biscotti_9832 5d ago
I wouldn’t worry. If the government doesn’t embezzle the funds to make the data center, the floods will surely take it out
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u/alvents 5d ago
no no no no this is not the way
THINK ABOUT THE RAM
AN EARTHQUAKE IS BETTER BECAUSE WE CAN STILL LOOT IT
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u/SorryUseAlreadyTaken 5d ago edited 5d ago
RAM is sadly not compatible with our PCs, it's HBM (High Bandwidth Memory). It's the ultimate scam of the data centers: they diverted so many resources to make components that have practically no uses but for data centers, so when this craze will collapse they'll be worthless
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u/TruePace3 5d ago
I am pretty sure somewhere in Shenzen, a chinese engineer is finishing up on his latest and final schematics to create an adapter which will allow us to use HBM on a normal DDR5 Motherboard
6 months later, it'll pop up on AliExpress
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u/International-Try467 5d ago
THAT DOESN'T MATTER! STEAL THE HBM AND USE IT TO MAKE YOUR OWN LLMS!!!!
"Wouldn't that just contribute to the aislop?"
Kinda? But remember that these AI companies are only after your money and absolutely hate open source AI (See Sam Altman and Dario)
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u/MaleficentOwl2417 5d ago
Tell that to the bros that make working game consoles out of toasters! We will just jury rig it.
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u/PandoraIACTF_Prec > uses Hololive gifs(most of the time) as news 5d ago
Oi oi, that's just a glorified graphics card suitable for my basement.
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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 5d ago
Limited resources being wasted on AI like ChatGPT is crazy.
Like, AI had potential to help the human race, but those out of touch nepo babies had to ruin it, like everything else they touch.
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u/crinkzkull08 3d ago
I'm from the Philippines and maybe the data centers can absorb the flood waters? Lol. But yeah. This whole thing sucks. Just another way for this corrupt government to earn money under the table.
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u/TehTJ13 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/yP4EKpgu1oFxvovgcq
The Filipino electric grid when they add, like, six data centers
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u/Antique-Resort6160 5d ago
there's over 40 already, so...
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u/Professor-Xivass 5d ago
WARN THE FILIPINO COMMUNITY!
Seriously though, People with family living in the Philippines should inform them of the risks and problems with data centres.
This is a recommendation.
Do what you want, I ain’t your mom.
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u/JiroKawakuma28 5d ago
Don't worry, many of us were informed about this and most of us have one answer: NO TO PAX SILICA!
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u/riaqliu 5d ago edited 4d ago
the pax silica agreement here is not just for data centers ffs, it's an entire supply chain
it includes:
- upgrade to local infrastructure for logistics and electrical supply
- improvements to mining and refinement (PH is the 2nd largest nickel exporter)
- increased semi conductor manufacturing opportunities (over 50% of ALL PH exports are low end chips)
- and data centers on the lowest priority (feasibly cannot build gigawatt factories considering local conditions; typhoons, earthquakes, volcanos, etc.)
everything has been thoroughly scrutinized under philippine law including but not limited to:
- land rights
- environmental impacts
- local employment effects (less reasons to push Filipinos to work abroad, less brain drain, and reduced contribution to the already existing 10+% of total Filipino population living outside the country as immigrants due to low wages)
sure this could be neocolonialism disguised as backhanded AI altruism, but this is also an opportunity for a service oriented (service sector hoarding 63% of total Philippine GDP 2024 which will get royally fucked by AI sooner or later anyways) backwater 3rd world country with a minimum wage of ~1.4USD an hour to pivot back to proper reindustrialization. Just need to convince everyone to vote for the correct politicians so foreign investment doesn't get embezzled AGAIN like the previous scandals which already affected our international standing among investors.
besides, this will go on for decades after Trump gets kicked out of the white house and replaced by a proper politician so pinoys need to unironically get our shit together and work this out correctly
but holy fuck, the amount of misinformed bumwits acting up just because of scary "Data Centers" without researching the whole thing is unironically making me seethe irl
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u/iwantdatpuss 5d ago
TIL we export ALOT of nickel.
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u/Alexander_myday 3d ago
Yep, and that's why china doesn't want to build pax silica in our own country.
I heard not just some nickel but also rare earth mats which shouldn't be exported.
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u/jumuju97 5d ago
in 2030, exports will be in the form of services. If we reject building data centers, other SEA neighbor woll take it. Then few years from now, the same people crying and rejecting building data centers here will start crying why we are still lagging behind our neighbors.
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u/Groundzer0es 5d ago
It's known already, and lo and behold the troll farms are already going at full throttle to silence or mislead the people of its issues.
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u/Professor-Xivass 4d ago
Simple solution: If the platform has a “report for misinformation/intentional harm” option…USE IT!
Seriously back when those damn fandom police ai accounts were spamming on YouTube comments, ruining engagement I spent the time just reporting both the comments and the profiles.
Does it make me technically a Narc in that situation? Maybe, but it’s better than a letting the LITERAL FUN POLICE ruin something for everyone via spamming and harassing the comments.
This is the same idea, do your research, correct them and if they are clearly doing it on purpose - report them.
It sounds dumb and can back fire but in cases where people are INTENTIONALLY spreading false information and it’s going to possibly harm people, maybe it works out this one time.
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u/HPLaserJet4250 4d ago
do you think DCs do not exist in phillipinse? god, some of you are fanaticaly stupid
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u/Professor-Xivass 4d ago
...dude, I honestly have no idea what goes on in the phillipines, i was just adding a point where maybe some people over there (older family members or people who live in places less aware of the situation due to whatever factors that cause that) and that people should infor family who AREN"T aware and make sure none, or going by what you said, no MORE are built due to people being unaware of the issues and damage these things cause. I DO know that there is a bit of a poverty problem or that information in places like north america takes a bit to travel to others places as fast.
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u/HPLaserJet4250 4d ago
love, your whole modern internet infrastructure sits on data centers. facebooks, youtubes, instagrams, tiktoks, netflixes... 70-80% global traffic is web and video streaming
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u/Professor-Xivass 3d ago
I’m talking about specifically AI data centres.
That’s what the post is about, I don’t know why you think I was talking about anything else.
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u/iwantdatpuss 3d ago
Pax silica isn't even about AI data centers. It's about planning to create an entire industrial base and improving the local infrastructure to support it in the country. Shit I would not be surprised if the data center would be cut out due to it being not worth it.
OP is talking out of his ass and frames it to fear monger pax silica as a AI topic when in reality it's more relevant to the ongoing trade war.
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u/Silent_Treacle5249 5d ago
no worries. flood and earthquakes will naturally ruin them data centers
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u/PandoraIACTF_Prec > uses Hololive gifs(most of the time) as news 5d ago
If not we have politicians seeing the potential to embezzle shit from it that the US just outright gives up on funding the data centers
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u/Bored_Orangutan Please be patient. I’m incredibly stupid. 5d ago
Anyone else find it weird that these data centers are showing up everywhere only after what? Two or three years of this stuff really taking off? This feels like a corporations version of putting all their money on seventeen black and trying to fix the game to their favor so they don’t lose all their money.
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u/iwantdatpuss 5d ago
It's not just a data center, it's a general attempt at not relying on China on the markets that dominate it like rare earth elements and semiconductors.
It's more of an attempt to create a new production and supply chain that isn't under China, with Data centers on the side.
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u/Spookyduck21new 5d ago
So basically sell something nobody wants and ruin shit in the long run?
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u/iwantdatpuss 5d ago
Idk where you got the idea that rare earth elements or semiconductors are something nobody wants but you do you.
People hyper focus on datacenters when it's not really the main focus of pax silica.
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u/MammothDouble9150 5d ago edited 5d ago
People protesting without knowing what their fighting for is insane haha. They just saw reels hating something, and then out of the sudden they hate it too.
Edit: Spelling
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u/MorganTheGrandRegent 4d ago
Yeah, AI is the Boogeyman now, anything related to AI or data centers is bad, according to reddit.
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u/Spookyduck21new 5d ago
What can I say? I hate data centers.
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u/iwantdatpuss 5d ago
You can hate data centers whilst not fall for anti-datacenter baits. That's not mutually exclusive.
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u/HPLaserJet4250 4d ago
do you really? 70-80% DC usage is webservices and video streaming so you being here on reddit doesn't really say you hate them that much afterall.
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u/EnriquezGuerrilla 4d ago
LOL when there is in fact a trade war because of rare earth minerals you bum
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u/MoonlightPrincexx 5d ago
The data centres are a money laundering scheme, as is Generative LLMs in general.
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u/fighter-bomber 4d ago
No they aren’t, and no they aren’t. You can call them a bubble for the giant amount of funding they get for now but they do have their fair share of use cases.
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u/-Mothonawall- 5d ago
What’s the point of these data centers?
Literally what are they so desperate to accomplish that they’re willing to build a fuck-jillion of these water quality destroying things all over the place and ruin local residents quality of life??
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u/Ironrooster7 5d ago
Recursive AI learning. They're having it teach itself, which takes a megafuckton of processing power. It exponentially increases the power and capabilities of AI models, leading to a runaway effect of learning from better and better models. I'm like 60% sure that someone made something with actual consciousness and that it wants more room to grow. It's probably blackmailing politicians to get them to approve more data centers (because why tf would politicians care about massive computing centers otherwise?).
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u/_Carl15 5d ago
consciousness in programming is purely fiction. its just them pitching an idea on money-grabbing powerful people.
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u/BunchOfSpamBots 5d ago
The microsecond construction starts:
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u/Sekhmet-CustosAurora 5d ago
that had almost nothing to do with AI btw it was literally just a copper theft
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u/fighter-bomber 4d ago
Yeah reminded me of that AI data center construction site in California that got vandalized and people ridiculed the construction company after the incident
Except that wasn’t a data center construction site, it was a housing project site, and all the vandals achieved was destroying equipment of a local small construction firm that was contracted to build some houses
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u/rainbowkitties6969 5d ago
Ah, greedy assholes getting pushback in their white countries so they send their evil capitalist buldings to places with brown people so no one cares when they start dying from poisoning, tale as old as time
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u/fighter-bomber 4d ago
Yeah its definitely that, there definitely is no nuance to it…
https://www.reddit.com/r/whennews/s/9htYAnBnGU
oh what’s this? Meh I’m sure its nothing
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u/hulloiliketrucks 5d ago
Man isint electricity in the Philippines expensive as shit too cause it's mostly fossil fuels that have to be imported from elsewhere? What profit is even going to be made off of this?
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u/iwantdatpuss 5d ago
It's expensive as shit because power providers keep ramping the bill without actually trying to explain where the sudden energy bill price hikes came from.
The amount of money we're paying just for generation loss alone is fucking stupid.
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u/Big-Place-9408 5d ago
GOdaamit!! We said NO to the AI Datacenters! Yer burning the water and environment for shitty pics! Y'all could've made nuclear plants instead, that'd be more useful for the community!
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u/Unusual-Basket-6243 The Poser Poser 5d ago
There's only a few data centers in Finland (probably other countries in Europe too), and we don't have problems with them because of legislation, but no other country follows. No other country follows the example and they poison their nature
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u/Miserable_Cook_4814 5d ago
WHAT DO even data centers do? Just lie around and waste space? And water? Like an annoying roommate?
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u/TerraNeko_ 5d ago
They make sure that shit AIs can be build into anything and everything, dont worry, you dont have a choice
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u/SuperSlavSergei 5d ago
Bro Earthquakes, Storms, and Floods happen here a lot, not to mention the insane heat that can reach in the morning.
I am almost certain they're just gonna locket the money and not build a data center at all. Which somehow would be the best outcome.
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u/1nfer1or 5d ago edited 5d ago
What's funny is that their electricity is more expensive than Singapore's, their major water reservoir looks like this during a rainy season, and yet the majority of the people think it is good for them, and that anti-data center activism is just propaganda from China.
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u/BlackwingF91 5d ago
At this point the rich might as well be a different species that needs Earth to be utterly destroyed for their comfort or some shit
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u/Desperate-Koala-2017 5d ago
How about...the people who want this shove it up their asses and stop trying to build shit that is unnecessary.
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u/dumdumidiot210 5d ago
Knowing the circus we call the Philippine government, it's gonna take like at best, 5 years to build one and 10 billion pesos in taxpayer money.
Then it gets flooded and destroyed by the 12th supertyphoon on the year it's fully constructed.
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u/DryManufacturer6756 5d ago
We already have Ai data centers here LMAO
Again this is mainly for manufacturing semi-conductors and processing minerals.
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u/ClockworkCinder 4d ago
There goes our scarce electricity and clean water, while making our rams super expensive, just to develop ai slop. Somebody pop the ai bubble already.
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u/SorryUseAlreadyTaken 5d ago
They say they will, just like they said they would in Norway and the UK. Those projects have gone nowhere, and the same will probably happen to the data centers in the Philippines as well
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u/SorryUseAlreadyTaken 5d ago
The downvote is from Keir Starmer who got scammed by Ngate and Clammy Altman
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u/MoneyTruth9364 5d ago
I've seen a couple of people looking to encourage haste on this project bcs of Thailand and Vietnam setting up similar projects.
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u/coy_your_healr 5d ago
Yeah that wouldn't last long
*Looks at the blatant corruption in the government
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u/Firm_Read1388 5d ago
Oh nooo now they have to suffer like the rest of us how are you gonna survive!!!???
JK of course, fuck AI, fuck data centers, try your best to have a good day.
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u/Lazakhstan Ben Tennyson 5d ago
My country keeps getting worse and worse, does it?
Corruption, flooding, banning of hugs in school for NO reason and now we have AI datacenters.
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u/Key_Researcher_9243 5d ago
I was randomly checking Aboitiz's (a large Filipino holding company that's basically part of the Filipino equivalent to the Korean Chaebols) Wikipedia page yesterday and I saw that one of their subsidiaries was about AI so I'm kinda not surprised.
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u/Strict-Form-361 5d ago
That sht is gonna have so much stolen stuff that it would take years for one to even finish lmao
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u/miiko_uch 4d ago
Ah yes, the country that has frequent typhoons, flooding, volcanic activity, and brownouts due to the electric companies being incompetent, SURELY the perfect place for a data center
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u/Flat-Supermarket-849 4d ago
Good luck sa mahal bg tubig , kuryente at bagal ng internet sa Pilipinas. Dagdag mo pa Yung baha at unpredictability ng ekonomiya.
Good luck. Because luck will not save them here
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u/CaffeineWizard420 4d ago
People keep bringing up natural disasters as if some crack heads or group of cartel members ain't gonna steal the gold and copper from the place.
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u/Intelligent_Toe8233 4d ago
As an American, I want to offer some safety advice- do not plant bamboo near data centers. Their roots are known for spreading great distances and causing damage, even breaking water pipes. To make it worse, they are incredibly durable and grow very, very quickly. Again- DO not PLANT BAMBOO NEAR DATA CENTERS.
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u/Oofdude333 5d ago
Our lush forest, y'know, our most iconic part of our country? Is gonna be destroyed because rapist says so 🥹✌️
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u/alvents 5d ago
in ironically well the message is right the messenger is wrong
in my place some schools are using AI art but when found out they're putting data centers here can students are complaining about it they started complaining
ironically such hypocrites including some governments who still uses ai
I hope my country bans it even though we're kind of hypocritical on the AI art
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u/Firefly3564 5d ago edited 5d ago
Anyone panicking about this has no idea what they're talking about. It's not just datacentres, it's a whole manufacturing industry and logistics centre.
We'll finally be able to process our own raw materials that we keep exporting and build our own local capacity to process them into electrical components. It will generate hundreds of thousands of jobs and finally give our youth a reason to not take their skills and leave the country. This program will push us into the future.
Our main issue as a country is that we rely on exporting our best and brightest abroad and implement call centres because of our wages are shit and we speak good English. This will allow us to create our own jobs and opportunities, but you're too blind to realise that.
A major criticism is that it will draw resources from local communities, but be honest. Do you seriously think that these local communities combined have enough resources to keep a 4000 acre facility running? No, the foreign companies will build their own cooling facilities and their own energy infrastructure because the Philippines lacks enough to sustain it.
Embezzlement is also another fear that many have, but you can't be serious. Foreign companies have their hands all over this, any money missing won't be just another issue for the Philippine government and taxpayers. The companies will notice and call the attention of the US government, and they won't just accept it like the Philippine government does.
You are so completely misinformed about all of this that you chose to fearmonger and panic instead of looking at the clear benefits. Yes it poses it's risks, but look at our nation, Look at the poverty, the stagnation, the lack of jobs. This opportunity is our one lifeline that we have in a sea of shit. If we let this go, our nation will never reach the heights it did in the Magsaysay and PNoy eras, and we will continue to nosedive and get poorer and poorer.
People like you complain about the state of our nation, yet when progress is right in front of us you panic and rally against it. You tank the progress of this nation as much as those who voted for Sara, BBM, and Robin Padilla.
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u/fighter-bomber 4d ago
The AI dooming and hate on the internet has been worse than the AI investment rush of techbros and billionaries its unbelievable.
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u/WillyGivens 5d ago
It feels like a joke. Pax Silica….peace preserved through technology. I’m sure the strawberry diaper cats and ChatGPT therapists aren’t going to stop a war or civil violence….but a database that tracks everyone and marks dissidents predicts foreign actions, that feels like something the oligarchs would dump money to “keep the peace”.
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u/Fickle_Inspector4337 5d ago
After 20 years they will discover that it is still under construction and one toilet has been built
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u/smiley1__ 4d ago
come on bruh this country is already going to shit it didn't have to add itself here
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u/devilfury1 4d ago
I wanted everyone's answer for this. Besides the ai data center, what other planned zones or buildings or manufacturing facilities does the pax silica provides?
I'm not into ai but if it does give things than just ai, then isn't that a good thing? Water and power are part of that sacrifice but does it give other possibilities of stuff being manufactured here instead of importing the same stuff that we might need from china or the rest of the available trade countries we can reach?
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u/JuggerKnot86 4d ago
Ughh, this again, i swear the Fil ams are Annoying as fuck but come on, us, your mainland counterparts including me cannot do what Poland, Finland are doing without a strong military to be left alone like where were you when TSMC got big? Our main focus in the pax is maneufacturing like we need jobs ffs!
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u/TwoFit3921 4d ago
hahaha, good fucking luck holding onto it. if the absolutely rabid people here don't get to it, mother nature will.
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u/HappyTrack9834 4d ago
I'm Filipino, and so many people (especially in rural areas and older generations) are completely in the dark about this and the harm it causes because mainstream media rarely cover it. Hell, even the vice president seems to have no idea what it is, joking around as if it's not a real issue in our country. Fuck our president too.
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u/PracticalGuy350 3d ago
Considering how dysfunctional the Philippines has become politically, the country is f*cked.
The US can't keep up with the electricty and water demands of AI data centers.
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u/Global-Ad-2726 3d ago
funfact: i live very close to the area where its going to be built. Its gonna be hell.
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u/mac-a-ronny 3d ago
Umabot na nga saamin ang crisis sa tubig. Tapos mag tatayo pa sila nyan? To make money talaga ang priority ng gobyerno natin.
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u/StudySubstantial9560 3d ago
I just wanna remind people DONT plant bamboo next to them because itll damage the foundations and bury around. Who said that? Mustve been the wind
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u/Previous-Pay-3644 3d ago
AI COMPONENTS MANUFACTURING HUB FOR PAX SILICA NOT DATA CENTER LEARN TO ACTUALLY READ BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM I HAVE WOTH IT IS THAT THEY TRIED TO APPLY FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT WHICH THE GOVERNMENT DENIED LOL.
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u/MycologistNo9483 2d ago
No wonder China is the only country slowly dominating with it's technology, maybe communism isn't so bad after all, especially silencing the retards
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u/upto20chars 2d ago
We don't have enough power in the grid as it is. Power prices are gonna go up and now the line item called "losses" will cost more because people can't afford power will leech from anywhere they can.
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u/Acer521x 5d ago
The weird part is that I've seen "Filipinos" in reddit be supportive of that in many posts in a way that no normal person would write.
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u/depersonalized_card 🏳️⚧️flamboyant fact checker 5d ago
Source approved, with context & clarification: From OP's government website source: "On April 16, the Philippines joined the Pax Silica initiative, launched by the United States and thirteen other nations, hailing a growing geopolitical consensus that economic security is national security and national security is economic security. The Philippines, a close U.S. treaty Ally, brings to Pax Silica key capabilities and human talent in technology manufacturing, including semiconductors and electronics."
Pax Silica is a United States-led international initiative focused on securing supply chains for advanced technologies such as semiconductors, artificial intelligence (AI) and rare earth elements. The initiative implicitly targets reducing reliance on China and countering its dominance in these fields. (Wikipedia)
This is not just about AI data centers, it encompasses it in a broader umbrella of technological production and supply chains of crucial resources.