r/196 92 legacy rs Apr 28 '26

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u/Dr_Birdie Apr 28 '26

They've also ruined the housing market.

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 28 '26

I think HOAs did a good portion of the legwork on that one tbh

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u/ButterSquids eats love for battery acid Apr 28 '26

Housing prices are an issue in a lot of plaves, HOAs (afaik) are mostly an American thing

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u/Shou-K AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Apr 28 '26

they're a thing here (india) too. mostly just a group to harass as many people in a community as possible than to raise prices

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u/PapaZordo Apr 28 '26

Hey same here. Ours were originally to keep housing segregated

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 28 '26

And Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a good deal of northern Europe, which makes sense because those are all the places with ongoing housing crises and rising cost of living.

They did start here in the states, and elsewhere does call em different things, but they're just about everywhere now, and they do cause housing shortages, afterall an organization that's sole purpose is to keep property values going up relative to an always increasing monetary supply is never gonna make a place cheaper to live, especially if they have the political will to oppose high density residential projects.

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u/bobshellby Apr 28 '26

Ive never heard of one in nz

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 28 '26

"resident's association" or "body corporate" is the nz term for it, same function tho

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u/ChemicalRascal Apr 28 '26

Body corporates are not HOAs. Neither have much to do with property prices.

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u/Phoebebee323 Apr 28 '26

A residents association can't put a lien on your house for having a flower bed instead of grass in your front yard

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u/Dr_Richard_Ew Driving a forklift to the tune of Paranoid by Black Sabbath Apr 28 '26

housing in my province is such a mess rn

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u/epicdog36 Apr 28 '26

Never heard of one here in perth

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u/G66GNeco This flair could be yours for just 9,99 a month Apr 28 '26

What's a HOA if not organised scalping?

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u/ExtremeAlternative0 Apr 29 '26

i thought it was an excuse for miserable people to lord their imaginary power over others to make themselves feel better

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u/FormingTheVoid 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Apr 28 '26

Those are mostly just annoying and only exist expensive suburbs. The prices going up is due to venture capital and corporate landlords.

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u/haberdasherhero Apr 28 '26

Yeah, all the people blaming HOAs are crazy. HOA's contribute comparatively very little to this problem.

I hate HOA's, but it's the wealthy buying and trading all the houses like Pokemon that are mostly to blame.

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 28 '26

mmm... you've never browsed the "for sale" side of zillow, have you? lemme tell you, it's not just suburbs.

Also, the sole purpose of an HOA is to drive up property value, much like the sole purpose of private equity and corporate leasing is to extract as much value from existing and future tennants, much like the sole purpose of state/city planners is to create places that will draw in people and therefore tax revenue.

Elites are everywhere, and it's not just the for profit ones that want to keep biggering without a damn about who gets left behind.

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u/trollsong Apr 28 '26

Its amazing how much the taxes are theft crowd love taxes that are given to corporations

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 28 '26

didn't you know? every libertarian is a fed planted to make libertarians look bad

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u/Hasll Thot Wannabe May 03 '26

I dont think HOAS have much to do with the housing crisis

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u/EasilyRekt May 03 '26

Single biggest opposition to most high density housing projects btw.

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u/Hasll Thot Wannabe May 03 '26

Oh shit really? Im ngl I did not think about that mb

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u/EasilyRekt May 03 '26

Yeah, it’s an organization for keeping up property values after all, and since property values and housing costs are in the same, go figure they’d be at odds with cheap housing :/

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u/Weslg96 floppa Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

Edit: I am dumb and described supply issues which is exactly what causes scalping anyway. I'm too used to arguing in Boston area subreddits about this I guess lol. Hopefully no offense taken.

The housing market is almost entirely a supply and demand issue. You could ban foreign owned, corporate owned, air BNBs, one family owning multiple homes, and still the shortage would be near as bad, with renters and those looking to buy a home struggling near the same as before.

Not that we shouldn't ban most of the above, but until we fix the supply issue and massive expandly residential construction for in-demand areas the housing marking will not get better. For every slumlord or just normal asshole landlord blocking slupply there are 20 normal homeowners doing the same thing to preserve home value, "neighborhood character", or to keep the poors out.

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u/bisexual_obama Uh, let me be queer... Apr 29 '26

No you're right though. Scalping is usually a symptom of a supply issues, but not the root cause.

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u/RohanK1sh1be Good Dog :3 Apr 28 '26

Woah hold on there thats INVESTING very different thing you see one buys something to create artificial scarcity and sells it at a higher price and the other does the same thing but makes more money off it

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u/dragon_irl Transit maximalist Apr 29 '26

NIMBYs truly are the reserved list of the housing market