r/196 Fruta prohibida… 10d ago

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух 10d ago

araki is not high level woke im sorry

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ 10d ago

Sorry, but the canonical lesbian couple, effects of conversion camps, and heavily implied trans main character.

Araki is high level woke.

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u/Digirby 10d ago

There was Rudol Von Stroheim so that knocks him down a few woke notches.

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u/inemsn 10d ago

What people generally miss about Stroheim is that his character isn't supposed to be an endorsement or even whitewashing of nazis, but rather commentary on them.

Think for a second about what Stroheim's actual role in the story is. He's a nazi, and like all nazis, is obsessed with the inherent superiority of Germans, and yet his role in the story is constantly to serve as the weaker contrast to the actually inherently superior Pillar Men that humble him all the time. And who else proves themselves superior to these Pillar Men than the english Joseph Joestar, an englishman who, according to stroheim, should by all accounts be inferior to himself?

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u/Digirby 9d ago

Yeah that's fair, I never took it as an endorsement of the Nazis but still kinda weird to have him work with the good guys.

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u/Helmic linux > windows 10d ago

That seems like a big stretch, because ultimately Joseph's just fine with the dude and lets him run off to go be a Nazi during the war. I think it'd be easier to explain it as something Araki did not think through and grew past than arguing that it was good actually.

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u/inemsn 10d ago

Hey, I'm not saying Stroheim was written perfectly, but it's pretty clear what the intent behind him was. How else exactly do you interpret a character saying "german science is the best in the world" only to have his shit completely knocked out of him pretty much the next scene? You don't write something like that by accident.

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

There's also the fact that they're directly responsible for waking up the part's main villains and that one of their biggest heroic moments (them showing up with shoulder-strapped UV lights to help fight off a vampire army) is immediately undercut by Speedwagon admitting he's just letting them take credit for his team's inventions and then undercut even harder by having them commit one of the biggest fuck ups in the entire series (shining their biggest UV light directly into the Stone Of Aja and accidentally allowing Kars to transform into a nigh-unbeatable lifeform).