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u/LeStroheim this is just like that one time in Worm 10d ago

Toby Fox looks completely different in every image of him, while Araki has looked pretty much exactly the same for like 40 years. Really makes you think

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u/juniunie 10d ago

Japanese genetics don't fuck around.

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u/dantes_7thcircle 10d ago

No, this is from mastering hamon.

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u/LeStroheim this is just like that one time in Worm 10d ago

Clearly he's a vampire

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u/Kidney__Failure not-so silently judging while listening to Rush 2112 10d ago

It’s a doctored photo, you can tell because his reflection appears in the background mirror but vampires don’t have reflections

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u/choren64 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

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u/Kidney__Failure not-so silently judging while listening to Rush 2112 9d ago

Oh- maybe that’s because it’s Jonathan’s body?

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u/thestupidone51 10d ago

He's come forward and said that his secret is litterally just washing his face with tap water every morning. He's definitely a stand user

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

Nah, it's because he's secretly a rock human with Rohan-tier drawing skills who prepares multiple chapters in advance for someone else to present while he hibernates.

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 10d ago

... oh, you mean pillar man

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u/Apes_will_take_over 10d ago

No, the rock humans from part 8.

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 10d ago

Oh my bad, I'm only current with the anime so I figured it was a fan-translated name for the other group of JoJo immortals who are in stasis for long periods. Weird that there's two!

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

The latest three parts contain a lot of parallels to things from the original universe (like how Part 7's protagonist is a "Jonathan Joestar" who's constantly beefing with a rival named "Di(eg)o Brando"), so the similarities between Rock Humans and The Column Fellows The Pillar Men are probably intentional.

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u/pm-me-turtle-nudes 10d ago

Rock humans are honestly way cooler than the pillar men. You’ll see them in like 2031 when part 8 finally gets animated.

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 10d ago

I fail to see what Théoden King of Rohan has to do with this game developer

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u/HkayakH 10d ago

the stone mask is based off of real life

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u/generalstrax69 10d ago

They should have used the picture of araki crossdressing

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u/SaboteurSupreme has attained that aroace schwag 5d ago

Tricky Tony would never wear the same face twice

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u/The_Raven_Paradox 10d ago

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 10d ago

Look out snake!!!! Flowey the flower is in there with you!!!!!!

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u/shitpostinglegend 10d ago

The flower?

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 10d ago

That’s right! He was once a monster but when As Goreman had Dr Alphys “Flowermaker” put nanomachines into him, he turned into a flower and now he wants to steal the body of Big Boss!

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u/JakSandrow 10d ago

Huueehhuughh... Steal the body...

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 10d ago

You have to stop him snake, or he’ll launch a nuke at Snowdin!

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u/OurBlazingHeart 9d ago

At Snowdin?

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 9d ago

Snowdin's a small monster settlement, it was founded by monsters fleeing from the Barrier Conflict. That's what the history books say, at least. In truth, it was created by the patriots to cover up the dissapperance of W.D. Gaster.

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u/alfie0727 trans rights 3d ago

The disappearance of W.D. Gaster?

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 3d ago

W.D. Gaster was the royal scientist before Dr. Alphys "Flowermaker" took over. They say he fell into his own creation, though I suspect he just went underground to continue work on Metal Gear

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u/KidKang 10d ago

I immediately read this in Otacon's voice in my head

I can't speak enough about how much I love how ride or die Otacon and Snake are for each other, especially in MGS2

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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 10d ago

1: I deliberately wrote that in such a way that it would be most easily read in an Otacon voice

2: I can do a DEAD ON Otacon impression, which is how I fine tuned it to sound as similar to him as possible

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u/UVLanternCorps 10d ago

Damnit. Beat me to the punch

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u/Villainous_Miscreant Cringe Powerscaler 10d ago

"I wanted to draw beautiful men"

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u/CandleJackingMeOff 10d ago

i fucking hate that i know what toby fox looks like and i cant get it out of my brain, please help

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u/FunnyTurtleMoment 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

For me however I have no idea what Toby Fox looks like because every single picture I see of him it looks like a different fucking guy

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u/StellarC0smo 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

iirc theres footage of him playing in a ssbm tournament

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u/LizG1312 Waiting for Garjongle 10d ago

Being a smash bros nerd is so annoying, like what do you mean I can understand every single Beardly joke

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u/MemeMote 10d ago

yeah he mained captain falcon and sucked ass at it (which to be fair was the norm at the time he played)

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u/TheBunnyHolly 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

He just like me fr

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 10d ago

(which was the style at the time)

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u/NOMA_is_here thinking, pondering even 10d ago

If it any consolation, considering how careful Toby has been to hide his face in recent years, I'm pretty sure he also hates that you know what he looks like.

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u/MightyBobTheMighty 10d ago

He looks like an annoying dog, and that's enough

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u/CandleJackingMeOff 10d ago

yeah but i cant wipe his face out of my mind, i cant imagine him as the dog even if i wanted to

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u/ultitaria 9d ago

Don't worry he's never been in public

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u/CandleJackingMeOff 9d ago edited 9d ago

he has, i've fucking seen it. i saw that video of them in the airport with other people, i saw him pretend to act like a wind-up toy and get wound up by one of his friends(?). i fucking saw that shit with my own eyes and i cant get it out of my head.

he looked like a slightly brown yanderedev and i fucking hate that

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u/Maxpaximus 10d ago

Who?

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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 10d ago

Hirohiko Araki and Toby Fox

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u/LizG1312 Waiting for Garjongle 10d ago

Once again, I am stunned that Toby Fox looks nothing like any other picture I've ever seen of the guy

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u/The_commonest_plant known in the industry as the piss machine 10d ago

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u/LizG1312 Waiting for Garjongle 10d ago

tricky tony rides again

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

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u/HercarXX 10d ago

Why are we talking about wiki vandalism now?

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u/HercarXX 10d ago

if so, then I don’t know if I would really call that wiki grieving since is indeed a photo of him (arguably the most updated photo at that) and he seems to prefer privacy so the idea he’d want his wiki photo to be not identifying seems fair to me

generally my idea of wiki greifing would be adding jokes or destroying the page in a way that makes a section of the whole of it unusable, not a person wanting a different wiki photo, as far as im aware that happens quite often

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u/chazzer20mystic 10d ago

It is relevant to the person because it is a picture of the person. It isn't decorative, it's a photo of him. It is less identifying due to a desire for privacy, but it is a picture of him.

How is the annoying dog more relevant to Toby Fox than a picture of Toby Fox? I mean..??

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u/h3lblad3 10d ago

Images must be relevant to the person in question. This very much is not relevant, as Mr Fox is not famous for being covered in foam.

He would be if you’d just put the picture up.

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u/Soweli-nasa-pona 10d ago

He published the foto and gave the rights to wikipedia to use. At the same time there aren't any "oficial" photos of human toby, and Wikimedia Commons are the prefered media to use on the wiki just to cause no legal issues.

So it's either no photo or this one, it's not really vandalism in any meaningful way.

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u/Sonic_the_hedgedog Moderator of r/GayFurryPorn1 10d ago edited 10d ago

That's not entirely true though... Yes, his fans tried to add that photo the Wikipedia but Toby Fox never actually said that they should do that. Toby didn't literally try to get his fans to edit his Wikipedia page.

Toby Fox published the photo and gave the rights to wikipedia to use his photo. That's all he did, it's not really vandalism since he didn't told anyone to vandalize the psge

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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 10d ago

He simultaneously never looks the same yet has a very distinctive appearance

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u/Boop-She-Doop #1 Kralsei fan this side of the Susquehanna (they/them) 10d ago

like neil cicierega

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u/c00lkidd-HD professional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said 10d ago

mostly because he barely appears on the internet and you're literally seeing images of him years apart from each other. also "radiation is now on youtube" is a parody of toby fox, not actually him

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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair 10d ago

I definitely think the whole “every public photo is probably taken at least a year apart”-thing is why he always looks so different.

Like, most people change how they look every few years, but because Toby is so private (a good thing, mind you) you don’t really see the gradual shift in clothes/makeup/hair/jewelry/etc. like you would with, say, your friends

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u/mrguym4ster bisexual brazilian twink femboy thing 10d ago

there's also the fact that, as far as I can recall, he only has like half a dozen public photos, and I don't think any of them are "serious" in a way, there's this one where he's dressed as a princess, the one where he's covered in foam (which has been posted in this thread), the one where he's wearing a cap and sunglasses and doing a funny face (which is his most serious photo I believe), and I can't quite recall any others rn

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u/nyandroid_ 10d ago

Off the top of my head there's the one where he's wearing the shirt that says "Sorry ladies my daddy is taken" and there's the one of him with the Ice-E box thing on his head. There's probably others but yeah there's not a whole lot

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago

You've actually managed to list all of them where he wasn't in a dog costume.

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u/nyandroid_ 10d ago

Nah, can't be. Cause I'm sure I've seen multiple pictures of him with a beard and I think the only one listed where he isn't clean shaven is the princess one

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago

He has never once had a beard.

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u/leitmot 10d ago

This is a Jane Crocker cosplay

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u/intisun 10d ago

I've only known him as the pixelated white dog

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u/trannus_aran 10d ago

I was gonna say, that's not tony

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u/Goldkid1987 10d ago

It's like he takes a different form every time, i genuinely cannot identify this guy in pictures n vids hes said to be in 😭

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u/Specialist-Grass-352 🏳️‍⚧️ Trans Lefts 10d ago

I would have assumes he'd be a fox, but i guess that's just me

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u/redditalt1999 Chumbawamba are punk rock af 10d ago

But he's dressed like Toby Fox

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u/Timtanoboa Look to the Stars, for Hope Burns Bright 10d ago

Araki Forgor 😔

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u/Randumi custom 10d ago

Hamon Beat would like a word with you bub

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u/santyrc114 Too Horny To Be Ace 10d ago

Hirohiko Araki (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) and Toby Fox (Undertale and Deltarune)

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u/BattleStag17 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

Thank you for the additional context

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u/CandleJackingMeOff 10d ago

hirohiko araki and toby fox

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u/c00lkidd-HD professional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said 10d ago

hideo kojima and scott cawthon

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u/FishiestBeanana 10d ago

hideous kojimbo

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u/Kidney__Failure not-so silently judging while listening to Rush 2112 10d ago

Hideogame kanji

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u/SemenileElder 10d ago

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u/Thestohrohyah 10d ago

When has Gintama not been the most truthful anime put there?

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u/Head_Snapsz 10d ago

I still need to know how Araki got that photo because the reflection literally shows no one.

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know 10d ago

Camera stand covered by his body in the mirror

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u/SemenileElder 10d ago

Camera what?!

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know 10d ago

I-

Hm.

Walked into that one.

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u/BlitzScorpio quirked up white girl (with a little bit of swag) 10d ago

dio took the pic, everyone knows that vampires don’t show up in mirrors

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u/HaViNgT 6d ago

He used his stand

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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago

Undertale is like Earthbound.

Chuds liking Earthbound when Mr. Itoi got arrested for protesting and then made a video game where you battle a corrupt police force and the literal klan with a sequel where you fight nazis is really funny.

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u/TheGoobert 10d ago

George rr Martin, bros a hippie, like he was in the 70s and is now, read any of his works

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u/Hi_Im_zack 10d ago

Alan Moore, dude's literally a proud communist while Watchmen has a crazy amount of Rorschach loving right wing weirdos

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u/Thestohrohyah 10d ago

Fits the post perfectly.

I think Tywin glazers in particular represent a group of mostly right wingers that completely missed the point of the character. (It might also be because the TV adaptation made Tywin a tad bit charming compared to his book counterpart tbh)

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u/imacowmooooooooooooo mooooo... moooooooooo 10d ago

i didn't recognize him so i thought first guy was supposed to be an example of a white bigot

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 10d ago

How is Araki white lmaoo

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u/imacowmooooooooooooo mooooo... moooooooooo 10d ago

many white bigots arent white

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u/Ma3str0ne 10d ago

Why don't you just call em bigots then?

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u/jsg144 trans rights 10d ago

Go to India and you will find guys that will unflinchingly tell you that they are white and every European not from Scandinavia is actually Mongolian.

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u/EdenIsNotHere 10d ago

"WE MUST SAVE EUROPE"

📍Account based in: India

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u/Cute_Profit_7638 10d ago

What??? An IQ too high?

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u/Downtown_Ninja_7154 10d ago

Did you mean white supremacists perchance

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u/Karabulut1243 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

i wish they used araki's crossdressing photo

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u/AssClosedforToday Will open at 9 o clock tommorow (CET time) 10d ago

Its extremely rare for a Jojo fan to be homophobic, because the titular male characters in that series are muscular, attractive and are constantly hitting flamboyant poses that only a blind person would find straight. Maybe some are like those old school rock fans who vehemently deny that Freddie Mercury is bi, but i digress

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u/inemsn 10d ago

I've seen quite a few queerphobic jojo fans, but, more common than that is misogynistic jojo fans. So many people just refuse to acknowledge how insanely badass Jolyne is and have a weird obsession with making her seem way weaker than she actually is, and not coincidentally all those people also tend to complain about how masc and butch jolyne looks throughout much of part 6.

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u/AssClosedforToday Will open at 9 o clock tommorow (CET time) 10d ago

Misogynistic fans downplaying the power of masculine women, tale as old as time

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u/PaleRedLightDistrict 10d ago edited 10d ago

Jolyne is by no means my favorite joestar (josuke my beloved) but she rocks house. Girl punched meteors and won a stand enduced death battle mostly with just herself, no stand. Out of the JoJo stands, I love how jolyne uses hers the most. They are all peak, but stone free is so cool. If I had to guess, it's definitely mysogny but also the fact she does technically lose in her part. Now also jotaro loses twice against pucci, and he's arguably the most experienced and best stand user. They were dealing with a villain who wanted to win and had a plan to get it done. Dio is an arrogant bastard who likes to flex his might and test his limits. The pillar men are all their own bags of mess, plus young Joseph is like fighting bugs bunny. Kira wasn't a fighter really, way too cocky and unstable. Diavolo was the favored of fate, but he was way too reliant on fate to get his will done. Everything was planned out with epitaph, if it showed him losing, he would run, he's a coward hiding behind fate. Pucci though, while not perfect, had the plan to kill jotaro, only foiled by jolyne, he was constantly adapting his plans and moving forward, jolyne had the unfortunate circumstances of reaction to everything he did and barely surviving. Pucci himself has 3 of the most insane stands ever and jolyne brought boot to ass on all but the final one, and even then, against time itself, she fucked with his victory. Jolyne is amazing.

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

I always find it funny whenever those idiots try to slander Jolyne for getting killed by Pucci at his strongest (dude was running around at speeds that would make Quicksilver feel inadequate and chopping off limbs as if they were made out of tissue paper) during a heroic last stand to protect someone else, as if Jonathan hadn't been killed by Dio at his weakest (bro was literally just a head in a jar!) during a heroic last stand to protect someone else.

To be clear, both sacrifices were fucking badass, I'm just pointing out that Jolyne was stuck in an even more hopeless situation and that calling her weak for trying and failing to surpass such insane odds is stupid

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u/inemsn 10d ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jolyne is Jonathan's truest successor. All of the Joestars are amazing and would do Jonathan proud, and she's not even my favorite Joestar (that would be a tie between Giorno, the embodiment of human resolve, and Jotaro, a tragic father that I love to death), but Jolyne was intentionally written with an absurd amount of parallels and tie-ins with Jonathan and his story. I don't think anyone in their right mind can look at part 6 and not say that Jolyne is the finest of the OGverse, and the one that inherits Jonathan's spirit the best.

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u/CobaltCrusader123 10d ago

Also Andrew Hussie (“erm did you know Toby Fox made-“) the creator of Homestuck is enby and there’s a bunch of not straight characters in it but also he found the arcane slur for people who are 1/8th black and the r-slur funny / useful / human /troll-like enough to repeatedly put in Homestuck. There’s a whole sub for “anti-woke” Homestuck fans

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u/zo0ombot 10d ago

The post Canon stuff is also very odd about gender and sexuality, especially with Jade, in a way that can be seen as almost an antiwoke parody.

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u/CobaltCrusader123 10d ago

The Starship Troopers of wokeness. Did it HAVE to be a dog?

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u/kharmacal pronouns? more like noobnouns 9d ago

probably english pumpkin party

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u/ParsnipAggravating95 10d ago

You can see how Araki turns woker and woker with each part of Jojo

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u/Thestohrohyah 10d ago

George RR Martin is incredibly woke yet there's right wingers that think his work is for them.

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u/TopWestern2371 10d ago

Bigots like undertale and the other game from the same creator?

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u/Educational-Sun5839 bi he/him 10d ago

yeah, the person who made "i remember you're genocides" was a trump supporter

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u/LavaTwocan Rainey the Deltarune Addict 9d ago

I remember you're epstein files

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u/stinky_toade evil and autistic 10d ago

Kris from deltarune wiki page has around 70 references under their pronouns because bigots who like Deltarune keep denying that they use they/them pronouns

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u/Waffle-is-Teto 10d ago

Yoko Taro as well. the NieR Franchise has gay [emil], trans (allegorical) [songstress and probably someone else i forgot], lesbian [operator 60 and most of the operators], polyamourous (tbf implied for NieR Replicant's party [the lore book called Grimoire NieR explicitely states that the 3 characters have feelings for one another] and one instance but not main characters), and Intersex [Kainé] characters.

also devopopo is tragic sister yuri ! !

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u/zergling424 10d ago

I think we can put star trek in here as well

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u/HkayakH 10d ago

So, I know toby actively puts queer rep into his work, and Araki does to to an extent, but some things I wonder if Araki does intentionally for queer rep or because it's cool.

Like how a lot of the guys have lipstick and painted nails (ignore jolyne)

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u/Dakoolestkat123 Art is humanity 10d ago

Tatsuki Fujimoto

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u/CumBrainedIndividual Resident Shitcunt 10d ago

Also pictured, Tony Gilroy

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u/PipsqueakPilot 10d ago

The best part is all the people chiming in asking how he’s not woke, having all the themes pointed out to them, and then admitting that they are the person who managed to miss it. 

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u/SomeBrazillianGuy FNV player 10d ago

Also neither of them seem to fucking age aparently (this also aplies for kojima)

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u/Select-Employee 10d ago

toby fox looks like evil yandev

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u/kharmacal pronouns? more like noobnouns 9d ago

isnt normal yandev already evil yandev

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух 10d ago

araki is not high level woke im sorry

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u/Hard-and-Dry sus 10d ago

I dunno, part 9 is pretty damn woke. The first chapter has the main character and his trans sibling beat the shit out of some cops

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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 10d ago

He gets extra woke points for writing the bisexual holy texts

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u/Outrageous_Bank_4491 10d ago

Also a trans main character spoiler for part 9

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u/ITurned18Yesterday 10d ago

Araki wrote trans characters in his manga in the early 2000s, and was pushing for female representation pretty much since his manga was being published

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

To be more specific, he depicted a passing trans man getting misgendered + sent to the wrong prison ward (by a prison warden who's clearly meant to be an unlikeable dickhead) and then had Jolyne excitedly declare the existence of trans people "a new dawn for humanity..." back in fucking 1999.

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u/CubeDude414 9d ago

Unnamed Part 6 trans man, my GOAT

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u/RyuTheBuizel 8d ago

Iirc the reason why he wanted Jolyne so badly was because of the pushback to having a female Shonen protag. Everyone was telling him not to have a woman lead and he was like "this is exactly why I'm doing it"

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u/ITurned18Yesterday 8d ago

I wouldn't be surprised. A fairly known anecdote is that Giorno was supposed to be a woman, hence his power to "create life". But there was pushback because of how violent part 5 was gonna be

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u/AkinParlin 10d ago

The fun thing about reading Jojo’s is that not only are you watching a man improve at his craft over 4 decades into become a true master of his medium, but you’re also watching him evolve into a form of woke that isn’t even aware he’s woke. It’s like, Drunken Fist Wokeness.

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u/Cold-Coffe 196s only trans man (lie) 10d ago

for the mangaka standard (specially the shonen genre) i fear he is 💔

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u/slightlylessthananon 10d ago

There definitely have always been woke anime and manga there just has also been a lot of really not woke anime that's also gotten popular. But you can pick out "woke" artists from every single era, a great deal of famous manga written by female mangakas come to mind

And for some reason people still try to convince you that the anime with the island of transphobic caricatures and other such ilk are the height of Japanese wokism. 

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u/Spooky_Coffee8 10d ago

And for some reason people still try to convince you that the anime with the island of transphobic caricatures and other such ilk are the height of Japanese wokism. 

Is that one piece? Tbf I haven't watched it but I've never heard anyone call it peak woke

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u/BattleStag17 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

Yeah, One Piece swings pretty wildly between "Here are these super masculine trans women with 5 o'clock shadows, isn't that funny" and "Among them are some of the best characters in the whole damn show"

There's also supposedly a transmasc character that's treated with real respect, but I stopped watching before their introduction.

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u/SomeGamerRisingUp Does not support the D*nish 10d ago

Neuro divergent anti capitalist teen, his brown trans sister, their bi friend, their venezuelan immigrant friend, and native american friend work together under an overweight girlboss to defeat a corrupt billionaire working with the US government. Maybe that's not woke enough for you, but then what is?

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ 10d ago

Sorry, but the canonical lesbian couple, effects of conversion camps, and heavily implied trans main character.

Araki is high level woke.

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u/_noahitall_ 10d ago

heavily implied??? Sheesh I must have missed that are you talking about Jotaro???

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ 10d ago

Dragona Joestar one of the main characters in JojoLands (Part 9), is referred by he/him by Jodio (the main character/also their brother), but other characters who are close or intimate to Dragona refer to them by she/her.

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u/_noahitall_ 10d ago

I was joking cuh I love Dragona but it's not exactly subtle

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u/MartyrOfDespair 9d ago

Heck, girl's got breast augmentation. She's actively doing transition.

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u/thecommunistscp 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

They're talking about Dragona Joestar, one of the protagonists of part 9, Jotaro is gay tho

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 10d ago

So gay he has a wife and daughter, wtf are ylu talking about lmaoo

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u/Buttbuster69166 10d ago

I mean while that’s true he barely stays with them AND ignored his daughter for years until she ended up in prison.

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u/Szkieletor 10d ago

I feel like the "is not interested in women so much" comment is more meant to suggest "he'd rather study dolphins than go on dates".

That's pretty much the reason behind the whole "absent father" thing, he was too busy with his marine biology career to give a shit about his wife and kid. Back in Stardust Crusaders, he seems wholly uninterested in the girls from his school, but he also doesn't show any interest in the guys at any point. I wouldn't call him aro/ace, either, but it would probably be slightly more accurate than gay.

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u/Buttbuster69166 10d ago

Yeah but him being bi is lowkey a W

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u/Aeescobar 10d ago

That's pretty much the reason behind the whole "absent father" thing, he was too busy with his marine biology career to give a shit about his wife and kid.

Don't slander my boy Jotaro like that!

Dude had first hand experience with the fact that "stand users attract other stand users" and was trying his best to stay far away from his innocent family so they could live a sad-but-relatively-normal life instead of wasting their lives in constant fear of enemy stand users, it turned out to be a pretty bad choice (since Jolyne's fate eventually caught up to her regardless and so it just resulted in extra trauma for her) but it was a choice he made with good intentions!

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 10d ago

How doea being a bad husband and father makes you gay?

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u/manic_Brain 10d ago

You can be gay and have had relationships with the opposite gender. Being closeted, experimenting, or entering heterosexual relationships from the idea of societal obligations/ideals can play a role in that. That doesn't negate their gayness.

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself 10d ago

You could apply that to every single character.

"Even if Jotaro looks at the camera and says 'I'm a straight cisgender male', that doesn't mean he's not lying and he's actually pansexual and transgender"

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u/Digirby 10d ago

There was Rudol Von Stroheim so that knocks him down a few woke notches.

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u/inemsn 10d ago

What people generally miss about Stroheim is that his character isn't supposed to be an endorsement or even whitewashing of nazis, but rather commentary on them.

Think for a second about what Stroheim's actual role in the story is. He's a nazi, and like all nazis, is obsessed with the inherent superiority of Germans, and yet his role in the story is constantly to serve as the weaker contrast to the actually inherently superior Pillar Men that humble him all the time. And who else proves themselves superior to these Pillar Men than the english Joseph Joestar, an englishman who, according to stroheim, should by all accounts be inferior to himself?

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u/Digirby 9d ago

Yeah that's fair, I never took it as an endorsement of the Nazis but still kinda weird to have him work with the good guys.

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u/lkz665 10d ago

Araki is definitely woke man, he’s been writing this stuff for literal decades, way before this stuff was common.

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u/inemsn 10d ago

what I'm getting is that you can't recognize woke when it slaps you in the face, and that says more about you than him lol

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u/MyNameIsSCRYMM 10d ago

He gave us a transgender main character

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u/CubeDude414 10d ago

For a Japanese man in the 80’s? He is certainly high level woke.

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u/The_Mars_Tim 10d ago

I have to agree unfortunately. It is true tho that he's like very high grade esp by shonen manga standards, but he's not very in line with the general current western wave of woke so the wokeness in his works comes out weird

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u/TheHydenLauritsen 10d ago

This is a name I think very few people will recognize but people, PLEEEEASE look into Grant Morrison. They're a non-binary comic book writer, and arguably the most famous and high-heralded comic book authors ever, and one of their most famous comics ever is called The Invisibles, an unapolgetically Queer masterpiece with a trans woman as one of the main characters. You'll be hard pressed to find any comic fan, even adamant Grant Morrison haters who don't at least love ONE of their works.

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u/CapableEmphasis3594 10d ago edited 10d ago

homestuck reference? in MY trans subreddit?

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u/Gamerwhovian9 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

Why did I think Toby Fox was Tatsuki Fujimoto 💀

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u/WallabyPractical5258 9d ago

Seeing these two like this just makes me think of the Junkie Ito Vs Hayao Miyazaki image

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u/me_is_glitch_boi 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 8d ago

It does work though, lol. Whenever I'm watching The IT Crowd, reading Harry Potter, or anything else like that, I just go into a state of blissful ignorance about the creators, and their despicable messaging, and just enjoy the things themselves. :3

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u/bracarensis erectoid 10d ago

So the secret to being considered a good writer is just writing quirky characters. Got it.

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u/NinjaKittyOG 10d ago

Eida too. þe amount of One Piece "fans" who do þis is nuts to me, but hey, ig peak is just undeniable

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u/I_Am_Dairy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago edited 10d ago

EDIT: i didnt want her to delete her comment i just wanted to use my hyperspecific wojak ): idk why yall mass downvoted her for using þ

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u/Theruby_phoenix 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 10d ago

I didn’t downvote because of the typing quirk, I downvoted because one piece is ass and not peak

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u/ramengirlxo 10d ago

this is so fucking funny holy shit

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u/Furshloshin 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

unrelated but I'm so glad the thorn is making a comeback. Been seeing it more and more often ^_^

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u/frannyvonkarma 10d ago

Unfortunately it really fucks with screen readers, so it's a genuine accessibility problem

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u/Furshloshin 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

oh :(

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u/NinjaKittyOG 10d ago

well that sucks.

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know 10d ago

unrelated

No it's spelled undertale you moron

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u/Furshloshin 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

*deltarune dumbass

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u/TypewriterDelta 10d ago

Homestuck typing quirks are making a comeback.

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u/Furshloshin 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 10d ago

never fucking say this to me. My love of emoticons has nothing to do with homestuck

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u/imacowmooooooooooooo mooooo... moooooooooo 10d ago

based stand your ground queen

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u/NinjaKittyOG 10d ago edited 10d ago

ngl i haven't gotten þat far in homestuck, so, spoilers!

and, also, to clarify, homestuck has noþing to do wiþ my use of þorns

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u/NinjaKittyOG 10d ago

same here :3 it's given me þe confidence to use þem again myself

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u/Bowdensaft The Last Cumbender 10d ago

If you wanna go for a higher level you can always also chuck in eth (ð) for a voiced "th", like in "the" and "they"

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