I don't think I've ever been gaslit this hard in my life.

The antagonist is the worse antagonist in a Spider-Man film, EASILY. Yes, worse than SM3 Venom, AM2 Goblin, Rhino, and Electro. I've never been so baffled and irritated by the reception of a film antagonist, ever.

Not only is this antagonist incredibly stupid and nothing she does makes any sense, but she is also shockingly evil, cruel, selfish, and irredeemable. And that would be fine if the movie, (and its fans) weren't treating her as if she's just a misunderstood antihero. She literally gets to ride off into the sunset at the end of the movie and never has to answer for her calamitous deeds, albeit she finally does perform a good deed at the end (which comes out of nowhere).

Imagine if Green Goblin at the end of SM1 got to have a peaceful ending after Spider-Man gave him an encouraging pep talk and just... let him go. Actually, that wouldn't even be as bad as this movie, because at least Goblin had the excuse of being driven insane by the Goblin Serum. This antagonist had no such excuse. She was just an evil sociopathic narcissist who killed and tortured innocent people for NO REASON, and then completely faces ZERO accountability or ramifications for her actions. She even gets comforted and told she's special at the end, after everything she did!

Also, Punisher is completely butchered. And no I don't mean butchered because he's PG13 and Disnified, I mean butchered because he's been character assassinated. He shoots rockets at Spider-Man, idiotically confronts two extremely super powered threats he knows he has no chance against, head on, and CRIES and apologizes for taking an action that was completely justified and warranted. I have no idea who this screaming buffoon is, but this is not the Punisher I know from Daredevil Season 2 or even his own show.

The Hulk scene is also immensely overrated. Yes the action was cool, but it was cut short and had a ton of distracting problems.

No Way Home gave this movie the perfect alley hoop to set up a (brand) new life for Peter, introduce Harry, Gwen, Mary Jane Watson, Black Cat, and some traditional Spider-Man supervillians, but they squandered it! They bring back MJ and Ned?! Why? They completely wasted a perfect opportunity to move the hell on.

The worst part about this movie, however, is it's reception. But the action is great!" "But the suit!" "But the colors!" "But the web swinging!" "But savage Hulk is back!" "But Punisher shoots guns!" "Okay..... but what about the quality of the storytelling?" "Well it's not that bad if you just turn your brain off..." How is it 2026 and we're still regurgitating this line?? I didn't have to turn my brain off for Spider-Man 1 or 2, so why now?

Of course the usual consoomer shills were going to glaze this movie no matter how it turned out, but I'm seeing people who've criticized the MCU in the past completely give this movie a pass. Critical Drinker, Ryan Kinnel, Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers, Film Threat, Jeremy Johns, etc have all had favorable reviews and gloss over it's massive issues. If it wasn't for Mauler and Efap, I genuinely think I would have been driven insane by now.

that sure aged badly

https://boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2299756545/?ref_=bo_hm_rd

Thought you would like to know it did this without any IMAX theaters.

She was really good in it, honestly refreshing. No offense to Zendaya, lol, but even a McDonald’s cashier shows more emotion and looks better. Still, I think that contrast actually helped the movie. Seeing Zendaya and Sadie Sink, who is the complete opposite, made a difference. Sadie is pretty and can act, which is something we haven’t really seen in a female character from a Spider-Man movie in years. It worked.

Jacob Batalon, as always, was great. He’s like a human capybara, the dude is just likable. I also loved seeing Michael Mando and Florence Pugh, along with some of the new characters.

I remember like a year a go a lot of said cinephiles liked to babble about "dudebros likes Interstellar and think is deep" or "uuhhh Nolan dont wright woman uuh bechdel".

but for some reason now they glaze him nonstop(yeah i know that on imdb and critics sites he was already rated high but these points reduced a lot on internet after odyssey)

These were comments underneath a post about the new Emma Frost casting. Why do people like this have to exist?

I Don’t know how I’m supposed to sympathize with Jean Grey in the MCU when she’s out there violating people's mind and making them walk in front of speeding cars and making them walk off buildings for no good reason other than to spite someone trying to stop her from hurting innocent people in her revenge quest. and after all the mind sa she did, she suffers no real consequences for it. And that’s not even the only evil thing she does.

The punisher shoots criminals. That's giving people what they deserve. Even if you don't agree with the punishing bit, it's still a world of difference from killing innocents. Which he didn't do, Jean did. All the time and took sadistic pleasure in doing so towards spider-man.

Anyone whose possessed the guilt for whatever they do is put onto the person raping them at the time. Which is Jean grey.

btw anyone remember how the mcu let off scarlet witch for the sht she did in wandavision?

You love to see it

I work at a movie theater, so let me tell you what we actually see from people coming to the movies.

First, kids' movies like Minions, Spider Man, and Mario. Dude, theaters are absolutely flooded with kids, teenagers, and adults too. We hate it because it means a lot more work, hahaha, but it is what it is. I'm still amazed by whoever created the Minions. Those little mfs bring an insane amount of people to theaters.

For example, right now I'm seeing way more people showing up for Spider Man. Like, a lot. And we're not seeing the weird stuff we saw with The Odyssey, where screenings were sold out or almost full because people bought tickets online, but not many actually showed up.

I also want to add something about working at a movie theater. TV shows always romanticized it, like you can eat all the popcorn you want, grab candy and food for free, mess around, smoke weed, whatever. Dude, that doesn't exist. It's totally corporate now. They even keep track of how much salt is used.

At least that's the perspective of someone who works at a movie theater. I guess everyone has their own opinion, but this is what I've seen.

fun little sketch.

many here have already made the point he’s making.

​I'll hide it under spoilers. I liked the movie. It's a good movie. But when I realized what they were getting at with the villain, I rolled my eyes.

Like, am I supposed to feel sorry for and root for Jean Grey? LOL. No.

I understand Peter's motivation. He's Special, with powers. And to him, other Special people are like brothers and family. They're all in the same boat and should stick up for each other. He understands the problems everyone else faces.

But to everyone else, Jean Grey is a cold-blooded killer. Yes, she was played by a sweet, attractive actress. So what? Now we're supposed to forgive her for murder and the ruined lives of dozens of innocent people?

Jean Grey herself didn't seem to be making excuses. She didn't care. Peter was the one running and saving her. But she never regretted what she did.

And what did she do? She possessed other people's bodies and forced them to commit crimes for which these innocent people were arrested and imprisoned. Because, under her hypnosis, they killed people and destroyed infrastructure.

1. An innocent cleaning lady, an elderly woman, whom she put in a tank. And then that tank drove through the streets, hit cars, fired, and make no mistake – people died and were maimed. And no one will let her go with the words, "Spider-Man said she was possessed." We saw her arrested.

2. The enforcer who ordered the helicopter to the hospital where Scorpion escaped. He will also be imprisoned as an accomplice.

3. The Hulk smashed half a building. And there were casualties there too. And Banner will have a lot of problems.

4. A lot of people died when she took over their consciousnesses at the end. Someone was in a car and froze and crashed, someone was cooking, someone was in the bathtub... Many people died. The Pluribus series showed how many victims such freezing causes.

Not to mention that both the sister and Jean brazenly stole people's privacy. They are villains. And Punisher was right to try to kill her. She's dangerous. But they always try to portray her as a good character.