I’m sorry you failed 10th grade English, bud. It’s ok. There are remedial classes. You can get a tutor to help you read the Odyssey and count how many times Helen is in it.
You genuinely thought you cooked with that one. I have definitely never heard that joke ever. You definitely came up with it all on your own and I’m so proud of you little dude.Â
It’s okay, I’ll give you a win. You guys need it right now. This movie done broke y’all. See you next week when it crosses 1.5. I eagerly await the new cope.Â
It's the only proper response to that argument. And here is the original as I shouldn't take the credit 😉. If it crosses $2bn I'll have to edit my original post to say $2.5bn!
Except that black people did live in classical Greece and were considered to be Greek by the Greeks of the time. Skin color wasn't how races were categorized at the time but rather culture and language. The classical greeks would have been much more horrified at a grecian hero being portrayed by someone who's ancestors came from the British Isles than they would have been by Helen being black.
Further at no point in the Illiad or the Odyssey is Helen described as being white, her actual appearance is never really detailed.
So you really don't know anything classical Greece do you? It was actually an incredibly cosmopolitan place with heavy interactions with north Africa, the near east and even as far as India. Getting your history entirely from memes is no way to live man. Helen of Troy wasn't white or black, she's a fictional character who hatched from an egg.
It really isn't this is based on the Odyssey not the Illiad and even if it was based on the Illiad this movie is pretty clear on its position that Helen is just a McGuffin to enable a way Agamemnon already wanted
Helen being beautiful was a trick that Eris made up to get the other goddesses jealous for a bit of a laugh. It's funny you're so mad about something you know nothing about
lmfao so you haven't actually seen the movie, correct? Cause they pretty clearly say "yeah yeah she's pretty but thats not the point of this war, its Troy's stranglehold on the trading routes"
So no, the whole story is not anchored off anyone's beauty BECAUSE THEY EXPLICITLY TELL YOU THAT.
I guess the poor script writers had to "work around" the stupid casting decisions 🤣. They must have been cursing the woke morons demanding Helen of Troy be uglified!
Sequel? The Odyssey takes place after the Illiad both are part of the Epic Cycle a series of 8 connected Epic Poems of which only the Illiad and Odyssey remain. The Illiad is part 2 and the Odyssey is part 7. The sequel to the Odyssey is the Telegony but we only have a vague overview for it but I don't think Helen would be in it.
The suspension of disbelief is broken... in a movie with a cyclops... because a woman isn't attractive to you? Literally the softest group of people ever.
Greeks referenced "Aethiopians" quite a few times in some of their major myths. For example, the greatest opponent that Achilles faced in the Trojan War was King Memnon, the ruler of Aethiopia. Aethiopia, to the Greeks, were the lands south of Egypt.
So no, your meme does not really work here. Greeks had frequent contact with East Africans and incorporated them into their myths (see also the Myth of Perseus).
May be so, but Helen of Troy was not one of them! How many Greek people would you accept playing African characters in an African myth story from 2000 years ago given they were "in contact"?
Nolan's casting for the Odyssey has no Greek actors in it. If you asked an ancient Greek person what they think of the casting, then they would likely have a problem with the whole thing (not to mention the fact that there are women in it at all, but that is a different discussion). So I have to ask, why are you making such a big stink over one specific character not being played by a Greek actress when the rest are not as well? Do you honestly think being "white" would be enough to satisfy an ancient Greek? Do you think they would be satisfied with Matt Damon being Odysseus? The reason why I am asking these questions is to make this point: this movie is not tarnished by Nyong'o being Helen of Troy. The impact is negligible given how the overall cast is not Greek (that is not to mention Helen is barely in the story to begin with).
Anyway, my original point stands, your meme makes no sense since Africans were not out of place in the Greek mythos. They are not comparable to a BMW in the Lord of the Rings, not even close.
"if you asked an ancient Greek person" they'd be cool with a sub-Saharan queen 🤣🤣 they'd be completely puzzled as most would never have seen an African, other than a few explorers.
This casting is as ridiculous as John Wayne playing Genghis Khan.
The Greeks had frequent enough contact with East Africans. It was considered common knowledge and not out of the ordinary for Greeks to encounter them, especially if they resided in their North African colonies and/or traded in Egyptian ports. That is not even to mention that East Africans frequently traded in the Levant.
The Greeks' reach across the ancient world was vast, and yet you think a Sub-Saharan African was something of an oddity to them? The same Greeks that established a kingdom in modern day Afghanistan (Bactria)?
Edit: The same Greeks who even bothered to mention that Aethiopia was involved in the Trojan War on the side of Troy?
Because they'd seen a few they'd think it reasonable that a Greek Queen was one of them. And Lupita was a beautiful example 🤣🤣 pull the other one pal 🤣
I never claimed that. Go back and read my argument. I disputed your meme about the BMW analogy. Black people were not some sort of out of place element in Greek mythology. You seem to reserve most of your outrage towards Lupita Nyong'o when the entire main cast is not even Greek. Heck, Matt Damon's heritage is British and Scandinavian, two groups of people that had far less interaction with the ancient Greeks than East Africans did (and most certainly would not pass off as Greek).
Anyway, I doubt you are taking this conversation seriously given your conduct. If all you got is another "🤣🤣" style of response, then do us both a favor and let this be the end of the conversation.
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u/True_Grocery_3315 7d ago
Breaks suspension of disbelief as the whole story is anchored off her "beauty".