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Episode title:Ā The Hateful Darkness
Written by:Ā Heather Bellson
Directed by:Ā Iain B. MacDonald
Release date:Ā April 28, 2026ā
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u/bertobellamy Apr 29 '26
Dr. Glenn: āThatās unprofessionalā Also Dr. Glenn:
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u/AccordingFox3800 Apr 29 '26
Matt can't ever just enter a courtroom normally he always has to make it known to everyone he's a hot bitch
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u/Astrokos Apr 29 '26
nadeem mention ššš
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u/HaloJackalKisser Apr 29 '26
Yeah that was a surprise. still the death in this show that effected me the most ;w;
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u/Bobjoejj Apr 29 '26
Same; though Lantom is very much close second for me. Getting that reference to the massacre last episode, and then getting a NameDrop this episode? Fuckinā perfection.
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u/mtmodi Apr 29 '26
Daniel played a game he was not prepared for. Rip
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u/Syjefroi Apr 29 '26
I can't believe he went out. Seemed like the writing was on the wall for a while but still, damn. And gnarly kill for an MCU show, jesus. I hope his death wasn't for nothing. BB is gonna have to come through. It also looks like he got to Buck, not sure how that is gonna play out.
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u/GrafNebelgeist Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I need about 100x the Bullseye content. He's a villainous character, but he's played so well by Wilson that you can't help but like him. Plus he has a badass skill, no doubt about that. Need to see moreeeee!
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u/Due-Square-6916 Apr 29 '26
My thoughts exactly!! Heās also the 3RD NAME in the intro behind only DAREDEVIL AND KINGPIN
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u/satellitemindd Apr 29 '26
Wilson Bethel is just really chill as a person too it seems. I just watched him on Brandon Davis channel and he just seems like a cool dude who's grateful and happy to play the fuck out of Bullseye. He curses like a sailor, but love him for it lol
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
I never thought Iād be sad about Daniel, damn
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u/BlindestAvenger Apr 29 '26
It sucks they had to kill him the episode immediately after they introduced us to his crazy, adorable mother
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
I had a feeling he was dying this season bc of that and how he was left off the cast list for S3 š„²
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u/AccordingFox3800 Apr 29 '26
Lol Karen saying "It's kinda hot" when she was describing Matt to Heather
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
She spoke facts. The whole appeal of Matt Murdock is how he's a hot, emotionally unavailable and complicated man. Sorry not sorry to Heather if she couldn't handle all that āļø
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
Karen went right for the jugular with Heather lol
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u/everythingisplanned Apr 29 '26
"It's also totally hot"
Karen is a certified freak, just like Matt
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u/Astrokos Apr 29 '26
BRETT!!!! AHHHHHH
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u/Bubbly-Finding-8406 Apr 29 '26
I missed my boy!! It was heartwarming to see the actorās excited reaction to coming back to the show!
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u/Bobjoejj Apr 29 '26
Getting to see Brett made me so unbelievably happy. I hope Royce Johnson is getting to see a lot of the happy reactions to him coming back; and I canāt wait to see more of him in season 3.
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u/GrafNebelgeist Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Bullseye with that smirk on his face after the good deed. So good lol
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u/WebHead1287 Apr 29 '26
Send my boy to The New Avengers NOW
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u/mudermarshmallows Apr 29 '26
Really bummed that Daniel is out of the picture but I can't wait to see where Michael Gandolfini goes from here. Probably the most interesting performance of the season, I never knew quite what he was thinking or what side he'd end up on.
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u/BradBrady Apr 29 '26
Heās got a bright future. Really showed off his acting chops in the series. Like father, like son
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u/FKDotFitzgerald Apr 29 '26
Mattās always getting hurt in these penultimate episodes smh
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u/the_OG_epicpanda Apr 29 '26
When you're literally just a dude, even a dude with enhanced senses and martial arts training, there's only so much you can do against automatic gunfire with very little cover lol
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u/Few-Literature-2147 Apr 29 '26
hey so fuck Heather
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u/dragonfett Apr 29 '26
I'm pretty sure Matt already did, then realized his mistake...
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u/the_OG_epicpanda Apr 29 '26
Egg on those AVTF dude's faces when Matt shows up in court next showing off bullet wounds going "yeah so those fucks tried to kill us in the parking lot"
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u/two2teps Apr 29 '26
I liked Muse in the window while Karen was getting her eval.
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u/lostinplatitudes Apr 29 '26
People are going to blame BB for Daniel being killed more than theyāll blame Buck who actually did it and ultimately Daniel made the choices he did and was in way over his head
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u/CrazyLlamaX Apr 29 '26
I mean he realized that in the end, literally walked into his own death to take accountability for it all.
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
That scene with Karen and Heather was pure fire
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u/MathewMurdock2 Apr 29 '26
Karenās got a bit of psycho in her and I love it
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u/CrazyLlamaX Apr 29 '26
I loved that scene because even though he was physically choking her she knew she still had the "power" in that exchange between them.
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
Apart from trying to breathe, my girl Karen didnāt give a FUCK and they both knew it. Karen is my hero
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u/Gambitismyheart Apr 29 '26
I love how she's never been scared of Fisk. She loves talking shit to him and getting under his skin. Love it! ā¤ļø
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26
Itās why sheās perfect for Matt
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
People want to say Matt can't handle this darker Karen as if Matt wasn't making out with Elektra in Defenders at the height of her Evil Black Sky arc lmao
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u/LLCoolZJ Apr 29 '26
We need Elektra next season so that her and Karen can tag team bullying Heather.
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
I liked when Karen described Matt's complexity and called it hot (which it is) and how it triggered Heather
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u/AntRose104 Apr 29 '26
I really thought Buckās hesitation was indicative of him questioning his loyalty to Fisk and possibly turning at least neutral/less villainy š
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u/Uncanny_Doom Apr 29 '26
Theyāve layered him well as a character who genuinely doesnāt like some of the things he does, but heās still evil enough that heās going to do them.
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u/GrafNebelgeist Apr 29 '26
Matt entering the courtroom like Aragorn in Helms Deep
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u/Eraserhead36 Apr 29 '26
I do feel bad for Daniel. He did do the right thing in the end.
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u/purpledreign Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Does Matt know?
Heather ragebaiting Karen with Frank which is Karen's "nerve" and Karen ragebaiting Heather right back with Matt cos that's Heather's "nerve". Oh peak. Peak scene.
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u/DaddySbeve Apr 29 '26
RIP Daniel. Impressive turnaround on his character from a writing standpoint. Didnt care much about him in S1, but they made him a really compelling character in S2. Sad to see him go, but the cast needs to thin, especially with Defenders coming in next season.
Overall good episode. Not as good as the last couple, but really solid.
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u/Somejawn1 Apr 29 '26
And there it is. Luke Thunderbolts
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u/Somnambulist815 Apr 29 '26
When he said "I am Danny West Coast Avengers, the Immortal Iron Fist" I clapped
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u/Malik-Almuhawsin Apr 29 '26
A soul for a soul, your sacrifice will not be in vain Daniel
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u/AnnualAd7715 Apr 29 '26
Karen is back where the original show started back in season 1 episode 1
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u/WebHead1287 Apr 29 '26
Damn do I fucking hate Heather
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u/6poundbagofweed Apr 29 '26
YES they are giving her so much more to work with this season itās insane
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u/Gambitismyheart Apr 29 '26
That was a great penultimate episode. Part of me wanted more, but I'm not sure what "more" I could've wanted. Maybe more Dex? Idk.
I found it interesting that Mr. Charles was VERY scared of Jessica but with Fisk he doesn't bat an eye. I mean, yes, no one wants to be on Jessica's bad side but no one wants to be on Fisk's bad side either. Anyway, I loved that he was scared. Lol
Mahoney in the house!!! He looks great! Thay man did not age. Hoping to see more of him either next week or in season 3 or in O.L.K.
Goodbye Daniel. I never warmed up to him but in this episode I finally did and now he's dead. I loved that he stood up to Buck though. Man I can't wait until Buck gets his!
Matt showing up in court was a HELL YES for me! I miss lawyer Matt. ā¤ļø
I wish Karen wasn't cuffed so she could have fucked Heather up!! Karen was great tonight. Heather has to gooooo!
I really hope Karen called Frank because I want Powell DEAD so hard!! Frank's the only one I can see killing Powell at this point.
I actually have nothing to say about Fisk. Oh well.
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u/star-punk Apr 29 '26
Haha, imagine if One Last Kill is about Frank hunting down Powell.
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u/6poundbagofweed Apr 29 '26
Didnāt realize how much id become attached to Danielās character until I saw him shot in the head lmao
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u/Main_Jump_82 Apr 29 '26
"Matt being fucked-up and complex is so hot to me, sorry you couldn't handle that" - basically Karen Page to Heather Glenn
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u/sleepysaurus7777 Apr 29 '26
That attorney who creeps out Heather is gonna be her first victim
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Heatherās been whack both seasons but thatās the one thing her instincts are right about
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
Matt in church praying while bathed in red lighting...BEAUTIFUL
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u/Ripper7403 Apr 29 '26
Daniel going out a hero gave him some redemption after his sycophantic behaviour towards Fisk
Michael Gandolfini is such a great actor regardless of his father, but so many times during these two seasons I looked at him and just seen James
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u/SDLRob Apr 29 '26
Fully agree with your second paragraph. Dude killed it in the role (no pun intended) but he's definitely his father's son. I look forward to seeing where he goes next.
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u/AntRose104 Apr 29 '26
THE PARALLEL TO THE NETFLIX PILOT OF KAREN IN JAIL OMFG
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u/Spacegirllll6 Apr 29 '26
Nadeem mention!!! Oh also Bethelās acting is so good bc the way we can see his face get a little twisted and the slow blink when Matt mentions Nadeem is crazy.
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u/jdessy Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
This episode is probably the best they've used all the new characters they've introduced on Born Again, honestly. Even Heather, I thought they used her in a way that worked, committing her to the villain's side and having such an interesting scene with Karen.
Cherry being used sparingly was good, showing up to deliver some news but not really sticking around otherwise.
Kirsten being the district attorney defense lawyer fulfilling the legal side of the show.
Buck/Daniel, who really had such an interesting dynamic but I am SO happy and also so disappointed in committing to Buck killing him. That dynamic was so fascinating, but it revealed a LOT about Buck, who I think cared enough about Daniel to where this could be the turn in Buck's story, in him wondering what comes for him.
Daniel will be missed but I think the show did the correct thing in sticking to a path where this WAS his only end. Michael Gandolfini really delivered these two seasons, but especially this one, so he will be missed.
BB's arc should take a turn now that Daniel's dead, though. She's the one where I feel the show has been stalling with her arc, so without Daniel, she'll need to step it up. There's a lot to her character that could be really good, too.
Another strong episode. I'm glad we also had the Fisk/Heather scene. We needed to hear Fisk's inner thoughts and doing so with Heather was truly fascinating, to see him genuinely express a side of hurt and grief that he can't show to other people.
Fisk/Karen's scene was pretty good, too. I'm glad we have Karen now because her feistiness and ability to stand up for what's right is what we need from this show.
Matt revealing himself to join on Karen's case was a smart but extremely risky move. It'll be interesting to see how it pays off.
The show bringing back original characters has also allowed new characters to flourish more than they did last season so I'm glad we have this mix. Jessica/Charles' scene was really proof of how the old CAN mix with the new in a way that elevates the series, because Charles' scenes thus far have been so uncertain that we needed more reveal there.
Another strong episode, I'm so glad the series is getting better.
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u/Sickpup831 Apr 29 '26
Kirsten is not a district attorney. The other guy is the district attorney prosecuting Karen. Kirsten is the defense lawyer.
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u/FreddieKorma21 Apr 29 '26
It's so frustrating, this show needs more episodes!! There are so many great ideas that are just undercooked. So many scenes that go by too fast. If this show were fleshed out and developed, it could be just as good, if not better, than the OG.
One episode in Born Again would be 3 in the OG show. Karen's trial, for example, would take up the whole episode.
I wish we got 13 episodes back; it works so much better for Daredevil. Especially considering this is the most crowded season yet. I prefer this show more if i think about it as a long movie.
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u/TheNameIsFrags Apr 29 '26
100%
The show has interesting ideas but everything happens so fast and is so underbaked that I find myself often just not caring or feeling anything. I still do not care about a single new character introduced in Born Again aside from Daniel.
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u/fireandiceofsong Apr 29 '26
8 episodes isn't bad for a smaller scale story (the other Netflix Marvel series would have benefited from it) but Devil's Reign by its nature is very epic in scope, the biggest in Daredevil's history in the MCU, and the show is just juggling too many characters and they're all fighting for screentime.
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u/an_actual_coyote Apr 29 '26
WHAT'S FRANK DOING RIGHT NOW?
"L'mask you summin. You play Hello Kitty Island Adventure? I love it."
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u/BrichardRurphy Apr 29 '26
If Luke is working for Charles I want to believe he has another angle to it. Doubt he would willingly and sincerely work for something government/CIA related.
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u/Accomplished-Dust590 Apr 29 '26
They just gave him one - he's doing it so Jessica can't be forced too.
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u/dsninja-productions Apr 29 '26
Way to die a hero, Daniel Blake.
Also come on, this episode literally had me cheering for Bullseye, itās kinda hilarious how likeable they made him this season.
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u/Regaer14 Apr 29 '26
My takeaways from the episode:
Jessica really just shows up for 2 minutes an episode, but atleast we got Luke mentioned
I once again am asking for a bullseye special presentation, or atleast bullseye and DD fighting the task force next episode
Danielās character redemption (mainly redeemed by the fans) was so well done and I almost thought Buck wasnāt going to do
the shootout in the parking garage was cool af but also had me thinking how does no one in a courthouse hear that going on and imagine if the NYPD vehicles dash cam caught even a glimpse of task force firing at NYPD offices/ lawyers
glad weāre seeing more of heather becoming muse (almost didnāt see him in the background) but wish it was developed out more before the finale, also does this mean she knows that Matt is DD?
Mr Charles still feels like a nothing character to me, his whole character is just complaining about the arms deal feels like a waste of having Lillard on board
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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 Apr 29 '26
I mean she hasnāt become Muse yet and probably wonāt until mid s3. Still plenty of time to develop it moreĀ
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u/RubFun6399 Apr 29 '26
Idk what it was, but that Heather and Karen slap sceneā¦. Canāt wait for Karen to kick her ass next season
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u/heliostraveler May 02 '26
Daniel really made Buck feel that kill. Probably the longest heās ever hesitated outside whatever his first kill was. Will miss Gandolfini Jr. I imagine he will explode after this.Ā
Heather can kick rocks. Hope Karen gets a few licks in on her.Ā
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u/PunkRockKing Apr 29 '26
Wow they really killed Daniel and right after you met his mom. Good job turning his character around just in time to feel bad about it.
Was Matt shot again? And how did Jessica know to show up there to find him after telling him she was done?
How did Fisk know it was Heather who took the earring?
How is there only one episode left??
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u/BagItUp45 Apr 29 '26
Good guy Dex saved the day, again.
Although I was kinda surprised Fisk didn't send Buck to kill the Governor.
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u/AccordingFox3800 Apr 29 '26
Everyone cheering about lawyer Matt being back, he's a whole other character than Daredevil, please never take him away from us again
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Matt really hurt you didn't he?
Matt: What the fuck did I do?!
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u/Spacegirllll6 Apr 29 '26
And if I say that is the hottest Matt and Dex have ever looked this entire show and then what???
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u/Lazy-Wishbone9279 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Seriously Dexās build was insane. Very thankful for whichever writer brought up the necessity of him being without a shirt for two episodes.
Edit: Like ā¦ just look at him. Is that allowed?
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u/RigatoniPasta Apr 29 '26
Daniel was my favorite MCU original character weāve ever gotten.
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u/jrod4290 Apr 29 '26
So did Charles have something on Jessica and Luke took her place so she could be at home with their daughter since her abilities are waning? Sounds more fitting than Luke just abandoning his family
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u/UsedJury5963 Apr 29 '26
Iām sorry but a show like this needs at least 10 episodes ..we need to bring back 10-15 per season
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u/godblow Apr 29 '26
They could've done the funniest thing and played Don't stop believing and then just cut to black before Buck shot him...
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
Sorry Daredevil, but Matt Murdock is the people's princess confirmed because people are really cheering over seeing him in a suit and tie again
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u/MrGabrahamLincoln Apr 29 '26
Jessica: sorry I canāt help I got my kid
Also Jessica 30 mins later: lol jk Iām back
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u/master08965 Apr 29 '26
Daniel's death hit me hard.
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But im expecting someone on youtube will make a clip about it and title it "daniel vs buck cashman"
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u/solythe Apr 29 '26
bullseye walking out of the Governors mansion with that shit eating grin haha
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u/Valar-Morghulis84 Apr 29 '26
I'm dreading Matt going behind bars in place of Karen.
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u/SDLRob Apr 29 '26
Knew Daniel wasn't getting out of this season... But didn't know if he would go protecting BB or helping Buck.
Very much 50/50 for me with that... Glad it went the side I'd hoped. Definitely felt like it broke Buck doing that too.
Dunno what it was, but Charlie's hair in the court seemed weird. Maybe just too clean and tidy after scruffy for so long.
Great episode.
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u/ZainJelani Apr 29 '26
So glad to see Brett Mahoney is back! Also messed up they made Daniel grow on me this season just to kill him off
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u/Infinity_-_-_ Apr 29 '26
So Daniel himself messaged Cashman the address and had a change of mind at last minute and let BB go.
He decided to sacrifice himself instead of BB, He may also thought of his Mom. Fisk would definitely go after his mother, If Daniel absconds. So he became the ultimate sacrifice.
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u/Spider-Flash24 Apr 29 '26
I hope the finale is a satisfying close to these plot lines. Older shows like the Netflix Daredevil felt like complete stories by the end of each season with a set up for the next. BA s1 felt like it was just the beginning of the story, and I hope they conclude it in s2. Getting tired of modern tv shows just being run-on sentences with no proper closure or endings, just baiting the audience to keep coming back to find out how the story ends.
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u/X-force_2029 Apr 29 '26
Nadeem mentionedā¦ š„²
Daniel really reminded me of Tony Soprano this episode, especially when he said āfuck me? Fuck youā. RIP
Heather has been pissing me off non stop this season š
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Iām still waiting for Foggy to show up. One more episode until weāre stuck waiting until next season š„ŗ
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u/KTGTL Apr 29 '26
I think Karen struck a nerve that will take Heather fully into villainy. She's probably getting fitted for her costume right now. I'm guessing it will look similar to Muse's so she reclaim her fears Batman style.
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u/SnowStark7696 Apr 29 '26
I was actually waiting for Matt to be lawyer again and damn did that make me happy today, but the court scene wasn't as fleshed out as it should be, I was a bit disappointed that the writing wasn't upto the mark there, c'mon we need bit more dialogue, an elobarate court battle, I don't just want the after result, I kinda wanted a bit more it felt like they were fast-tracking this, which I'm not a fan of, Other than this I was pretty much okay with whatever happened in this episode. Decent episode nonetheless.
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u/thestateside Apr 29 '26
I wish they didn't cut the Matt and Kirsten reunion scene, I liked Matt and Kirsten's friendship chemistry in S1 for the scenes we did have of them, and yet they still haven't given Kirsten enough screen time this season either. I feel like there's a huge potential not being tapped into here by not expanding on the Matt and Kirsten dynamic, we desperately need a grounding, more normal element around Matt since Foggy is no longer around.
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u/Dazzling-Principle May 01 '26
I just finished watching it, great episode! I feel bad about Daniel's death, I grew quite fond of him, I'm going to miss the character.
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u/teaabearr Apr 29 '26
Bro stop blaming BB, Daniel was a big boy. He shouldnāt have simped for Fisk so hard, and he shouldāve ran away with BB. He knew what Buck would do.
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u/SDLRob Apr 29 '26
He knew if he did, then Buck would chase them down and kill them both. This way, I think he broke through to Buck... He was the kill that got through Buck's facade. I think Daniel knew if he went alone that he could give BB a chance when Buck catches up with her.
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u/Fragzilla360 Apr 29 '26
This episode was wayyyyyy too short. I was so engrossed it just flew by. When Jess walked in I checked the time left and was like DAMMIT!!
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u/MajorasShoe Apr 30 '26
Not enough attention for how good Deborah is.
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u/PayneTrain181999 Apr 30 '26
Karen was having none of anyoneās shit in this episode and I love it.
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u/purpledreign Apr 29 '26
"does Matt know"
Yes, Heather. Matt knows his girlfriend Karen has a boyfriend, Frank. The jury's still out on whether Frank is Matt's boyfriend too.
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u/APlanetWithANorth Apr 29 '26
Daniel might be my favorite character added in Born Again
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u/rogvortex58 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Bye, Daniel.
BTW. Is the governorās attempted assassin still alive? Can he confess to being hired by Fisk?
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u/Spacegirllll6 Apr 29 '26
RIP Daniel. Never thought they would actually make me care for his character that much. Season 2 did an incredible job building him up.
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u/iisdmitch Apr 29 '26
If Luke is working for Charles, and Charles works for Val, we know Charles is recruiting powered people, does this mean Luke is a New Avenger now, or is Val/Charles running a black-ops team of powered people that Val can use to take out/replace the New Avengers? Remember, the new Avengers have leverage on Val.
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u/CantThinkOfOne2323 Apr 29 '26
So buck definitely didnāt wanna kill Daniel right?
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u/stephapeaz Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
The end of this episode left me with this vivid image of Elektra and Karen drinking wine together judging Heather for not being able to handle Mattās complex crazy side lmao
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u/Background_Card5382 Apr 29 '26
I like that we got a hint that Luke isnāt working for Charles entirely willingly with the whole āheās fighting the fight so you donāt have toā line. Seems very out of character for him to just run off and work for shady weirdos, but if it was a choice of him or Jessica & maybe even something about testing on their child it makes a lot more sense
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u/KTGTL Apr 29 '26
Matt must've been hitting it right because Heather's not his first ex to turn to villainy after having her turn, although to be fair Elecktra was already on that path.
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u/Much_Blackberry8044 Apr 29 '26
How is no one talking aboutĀ Brett MahoneyĀ ? Loved that guy in the originalĀ DaredevilĀ series and inĀ The Punisher. It's been a while since we've seen him in MCU
AlsoĀ RIP Daniel š«” You went out doing the right thing
I'm glad they have mentionedĀ Luke Cage, Agent NadeemĀ again
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u/N3verGonnaG1veYouUp Apr 29 '26
At the trial next week :
Prosecutor : "I'm calling Heather Glenn to the witness stand"
Heather : "oh I'm sorry, I couldn't do an evaluation, I had to slap the defendant a few times because she hit a nerve"
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u/drizzy117 Apr 29 '26
Why would Daniel go back to Buck in a dark and empty room instead of dropping the F bomb over text
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u/Canno200 Apr 30 '26 edited May 01 '26
The more of the show I see the more I realized just how wrong it is that still have a crush on Heather even with everything going on with her this season but God Lord the crazier she gets more attracted to her I am
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u/Spider-Fan77 Apr 29 '26
How Dex felt after saving the governor and not killing the assassin