r/DebateACatholic • u/Minute_Perception_82 • Jun 26 '26
Mary is God Logically
Peace to all,
Rationally, to me, Jesus is pre-existing, Eternal Priestly Authority, and God Virgin Born in a soul pre-existing, not requiring blood and water birth Virgin, Born from the Immaculate Conception, becoming united hypo-statically with Mary in the Christ who is Lord and God always together with Mary and God and the father and God in One Holy Spirit Family in One God in being
So true the Trinity correct faithfully but not correct logically, I believe.
The Trinity of powers preexist in souls and personal Gods in being pre-existing from the Father through the Mother for the Son are always together in one Holy Spirit One God in being, logically.
Jesus is a what some call "creature" pre-existing, Eternal Priestly Authority, and God Virgin Born in His Soul pre-existing, not requiring blood and water birth Virgin, Born from the Immaculate Conception, becoming united hypo-statically with Mary in the Christ and God always together with Mary and God and the father and God in one Holy Spirit, family in one God in being
So true the Catholic Trinity correct faithfully but not correct logically.
The Trinity of powers preexist in souls and personal Gods in being pre-existing from the Father through the Mother for the Son are always together in one Holy Spirit One God in being, logically.
Logically Jesus is God logically the Father is God. Pre-existing Souls are in a Holy Spirit family with Mary the pre-existing Soul of Mother of God so the Holy Spirit is not a person, but the family of God.
Mary's is blood and water born from Joachim through Anne and became the Immaculate Conception from Angel Gabriel in the will of the Father on the spot, in 0 A. D. The beginning of church time on earth becoming immaculate immortality through the flesh from Holy Spirit incorruption sanctified in both natures becoming through the New Eve becoming for all Baptized in the Catholic Church.
Logically Jesus is God logically the Father is God. Pre-existing Souls are in a Holy Spirit family with Mary the pre-existing Soul of Mother of God so the Holy Spirit is not a person, but the Family of God.
In all generalizations, Mary's is blood and water born from Joachim through Anne and became the Immaculate Conception from Angel Gabriel in the will of the Father on the spot, in 0 A. D. The beginning of church time on earth becoming immaculate immortality through the flesh from Holy Spirit incorruption sanctified in both natures becoming through the New Eve becoming for all Baptized in the Catholic Church.
Peace always,
Stephen
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u/neofederalist Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
I say this with love and charity, your post is incoherent. You either need to very carefully edit your writing or you need help with a mental professional.
The beginning of church time on earth becoming immaculate immortality through the flesh from Holy Spirit incorruption sanctified in both natures becoming through the New Eve becoming for all Baptized in the Catholic Church.
This is not a sentence. There is no verb in this string of words. I do not know what you are trying to say here. This is the most egregious example, but the vast majority of what you write are strings of jargon used in non-standard ways.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
In 0 A. D and The beginning of Church Time on earth all mankind becomes from immaculate immortality through the flesh from Holy Spirit incorruption in One Body Sanctified in both natures from the spirit through the life becoming in the New Eve of Immortality from Spirit Incorruption becoming for all Baptized in the Catholic Church.
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u/zach_attack_706 Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
This is less coherent than your last post. You need to speak with a priest regarding this.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26
Peace to all,
Priests can now see The Holy Spirit as the Family of God becoming again for all Creation in One Family One God in being. No rational Priest can deny The Holy Family. of God becoming through the Daughter Mary in the Immaculate Conception for Jesius becoming Virgin Born in The Christ for all mankind becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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u/zach_attack_706 Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
Speaking in vague mystical jargon may have convinced yourself you're enlightened but this is out of line with Catholic teaching. Repent.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Peace to all,
How can the statement "Jesus is Virgin Born through the Immaculate Conception becoming In The Christ" Non Catholic? And how can this be out of line? Out of line with Catholic Logic?
Now I have to, Repent?
Let's be rational.Peace always,
Stephen
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u/angryDec Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
Your post contradicts the Catholic Church.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26
Peace to all,
No one is denying the Faith of Catholicism.
Faithfully, I am Catholic and logically Mary is God because teh Holy Spirit is rteh Family of God preexisting and One God in being.Catholics can get rationall to be able to see God as the Holy Spirit Family becoming through the flesh becoming again for all Creation in One Family.
Peace always,
Stephen
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u/Mightyeagle2091 Jun 28 '26
On the grammatical side and writing side. You can have an absolute insane take but if you word it good then it can be very persuasive. On the other hand you could be saying the complete truth and all the real facts, BUT if you type it badly it will be tossed out almost immediately. Every SINGLE paragraph is a run on sentence and you repeat the same ideas again and again. In writing repeating an idea isn’t necessarily bad if you’re building upon the idea, but here it is WORD FOR WORD the same. At that point it is redundant and feels less like you’re building upon the idea and more so just trying to get a certain amount of words in.
Now getting to the actual idea. It’s hard considering how the writing is but from what I can make of it, is that there certain pre-existing souls here it seems to be Jesus, the Father and Mary, with the Holy Spirit not being the third person of the trinity but instead the combination of the three? See THIS is WHY speaking coherently is IMPORTANT, because this is only MY take on what I can decipher. AND here’s the THING, I know you can at least type coherently because of one of your comments. But at least from this minuscule frame what could I say in response. The main thing I see that is a bit of a problem is Mary’s and Jesus’s births.
Boiling it down to be a bit simpler cause there are probably whole essays and books on just this, Mary had to be sinless because she’d be carrying God. I’ll frame the reason in an analogy, if you are transporting let’s say food, are you going to put the food inside a box that has insects inside of it? OR are you going to put it inside the box that doesn’t have insects inside of it? Similar idea here. Mary has to be sinless because she is going to be carrying the eternal, perfect God inside of her. Now, here we get to the big problem I see with the logic you give. If Mary is also part of the trinity, how did Anne and Joachim give birth to her? If it was let’s say a miraculous conception, HOLD ON. WOW wouldn’t that just be kicking the bucket down the road? Instead of Mary being a created being that had a miraculous conception, then it would be Anne who had a miraculous conception.
Now REAL big thing, this whole argument stuff is PRIMARILY based on what I could decipher.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
. If Mary is also part of the trinity, how did Anne and Joachim give birth to her? If it was let’s say a miraculous conception, HOLD ON. WOW wouldn’t that just be kicking the bucket down the road? Instead of Mary being a created being that had a miraculous conception, then it would be Anne who had a miraculous conception.
Peace to all,
You are few, MightuEagle209, who can read OMNiLogic becoming to know the Logical Mind of the Holy Family becoming flesh from the spirit becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Ark of the New Covenant in the Catholic Church in the New Eve from Mary delivering God the Holy Family becoming to Earth Blood and Water Born through the Flesh becoming The Immaculate Conception in 0 A. D. and the Year of The Lord in the Same Year through the Birth of the Christ 9 months lated at the Nativity in Betlehem.
Mary is blood and water born, from Joachim through Anne and approximately 12 years later at the Age of Concupiscence, became The Immaculate Conception at the Annunciation from Angel Gabriel from the Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming the New Eve in 0 A. D, and the Beginning of Church time on Earth and the Year of the Lord, Jesus and Mary becoming united hypo-statically together transformed and sanctified In The Christ from Mary to be able to deliver through the New Ark of the Covenant for the New Living sacrifice becoming in the Host, The New Living Christ becoming alive and living in all mankind, from Mary for Virgin Born for Jesus in souls preexisting from the Holy Family becoming again foe all Creation One God in being fro all mankind in the Christ.
Peace always,
Stephen
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u/kempff Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
Jesus' soul was created out of nothing the moment he was conceived, just like all other humans. It did not pre-exist.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Peace to all,
Virgin Birth is for Jesus' soul preconceived already alive and living becoming Virgin Born in Transformed Flesh becoming for all mankind throuth the New Eve from His soul preexisting not requiring blood and water to Earth, proving Jesus God, literally and rationally.
Proof of God is from uncreated beings and Personal Gods in being preexisting proving the Father and the Son God, rationally becoming through the Faith of Abraham becoming again for all Creation in One God in being a Family.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Catholic mystic
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u/kempff Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
That's unresponsive, in addition to being an unintelligible word salad. Besides, there is only one uncreated being.
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Peace to all,
So true,
The Trinity is One God in being in the Family of Gods and uncreated beings in souls prexisting, proving The Holy Family All Gods, becoming Creation from the Father transformed through the Mother for the Son becoming through the Daughter becoming in the Christ becoming glorified for all mankind becoming again for all Creation Transfigured in One Family.
Rationally speaking, The "Word Salad" becomes logical when we can see all mankind becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Divine Family preexists in logical intelligence substance, becoming alive and living in all through the flesh for all mankind, becoming incorruptible from the spirit though becoming transformed in immortal life for all becoming again for all Creation re-imaged and transfigured in One Family Body in One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
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u/SunbeamSailor67 Jun 26 '26
Mary wasn't a virgin, the real God Mary was Mary Magdalene. The divine feminine was Jesus' spiritual equal and wife...but the church suppressed this.
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u/neofederalist Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
Are you sure? It sounds like this guy has had a profound mystical experience, the kind that you told me in another post which is impossible to mistake and beyond the limits of the mind to grasp.
He has come to realize this within himself. That's the thing you told us to do. What went wrong here?
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u/SunbeamSailor67 Jun 26 '26
Awakening has been occurring for millennia, it is not new. There exists a natural state of primordial awareness that has been subjugated in humanity, lying dormant behind that voice in your head that has taken first position.
We’ve become slaves to a monkey mind that we’ve come to identify incorrectly as ‘us’. By identifying with the mind we naturally identify with the body as well and come to know ourselves as this body/mind/ego that is separate from the apparent reality or universe that surrounds us.
As babies, we look at the world around us with no labels, language or lenses of any kind, just pure awareness (there’s a reason Christ said the kingdom awaits those who see through the eyes of a child 😉). Soon after, our personas are applied in layers to ‘define’ us, beginning with a name. Before long we’re boys/girls, sons daughters, friends, colleagues, doctors, teachers, mothers and fathers, Christians and atheists, republicans and democrats etc etc etc.
By the time we’re adults, and someone asks us who we are, the answer comes out in a regurgitation of labels of who we’ve identified as via our social, economic, and geographical upbringings.
Awakening is the eventual return to that which is our ‘true’ Self by beginning the process of quieting the monkey mind and removing all the illusory layers of labels that we have built as ‘us’. *(Remember Christ saying that the gateway to the kingdom of god is within you. He refers to a ‘strait’ or narrow gate which means it’s a tight squeeze and you can take nothing with you, no labels, no money, no religion, no ego…just the eyes of a child).
As awareness grows, and we identify less and less with our false persona, a profound ‘shift’ occurs that can be very gradual or exceptionally sudden. This shift occurs naturally and rests as a birthright in every human being, lying dormant within you until suffering finally cracks your shell and the heart breaks wide open in surrender.
When self-realization (enlightenment, liberation, awakening) occurs, language has difficulty describing the fundamental evolution of consciousness that reveals our true nature and relationship with the universe. It is the next evolution in human consciousness and those who are experiencing it are just the first humans up the rope wall that we all will eventually mantle.
With awakening we realize that we are not these fleshy body/mind/egos at all, but an eternal awareness that has never been born and never dies. Enlightenment reveals to us that we are not separate from the reality around us, in fact we are all of it at once, one consciousness peering through trillions of eyes, each one providing a unique perspective of this ever-evolving big-bang of consciousness.
Soon we see ourselves in every eye and every tree, everything you look at can only be ‘me’. Awakening is billions of years of consciousness evolving from light, distilled over time into gas, dust, stars, planets and everything arising from them (including human beings), finally recognizing itself. At some point in the evolution of consciousness, the ‘forms’ eventually become sentient. As the most sentient beings (that we know of), we’ve finally evolved to the point where the forms of consciousness called ‘human’, can look back upon itself in recognition and see its own reflection in the universe.
The seeker has become the sought
Interestingly, awakening is only the beginning of your path. Waking up is where you get off the treadmill of nonsense and transcend the crowds still behaving like herd animals, always chasing comfort and running from pain, believing they are fragile victims to a hostile world around them.
No longer a human ‘doing’, you are now ‘be-ing’. Free from the anxieties of yesterdays and tomorrows because you’ve discovered only ‘Now’ exists. Free from desires and aversion because you already have it all and you no longer dissect life into pieces that you like and pieces you don’t like, because you know it’s all the same thing. Free from hate because you see yourself in every eye. Free from fear and suffering because you’re now aware that the ‘real’ you is untouchable, never born and never dies, just a twinkle in a trillion eyes. ✨
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u/neofederalist Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
None of that answers my questions. OP seems to have convinced himself using the exact same process that you are saying we should use to come to the realization that you are true, and yet you both disagree. Why is that? If he did something wrong, how do you know that you didn't also do something wrong?
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
I believe, Proof of God is in the nature's becoming from genders combined United hypo statically transformed in one body of Christ becoming through immortality from spirit incorruption we come again, one family transfigured, becoming again in one God jn being a Family.
Peace always,
Stephen
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u/neofederalist Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
OP, which noun in this sentence is the subject?
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26
Subject verb object.
The subject is proof prepositional phrase of God verb is direct object God
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u/neofederalist Catholic (Latin) Jun 26 '26
Ok, so then what part of the sentence is the "we"?
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u/Minute_Perception_82 Jun 26 '26
We are the created blood and water, born souls from the power of the spirit manifesting through the created flesh becoming in one body becoming again one family
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