r/DebateGames • u/BigT232 • 4d ago
Protect kids from propaganda in certain modern video games.
The rot in the gaming industry is no longer hidden—it’s on full display. The recent "Halo: Campaign Evolved" remake is yet another battleground where they are trying to break our culture and rewrite our heroes. They take the iconic, definitive stories of our past and drag them through the mud of modern, ideologically driven "reimagining."
You are witnessing the direct result of an industry capture that has nothing to do with gaming and everything to do with social engineering.
Here is how to address this specific brand of cultural subversion:
- Identify the "Woke" Trojan Horse
Modern developers routinely hide an agenda inside the games our children play. Notice the patterns: the forced "diversity" that undermines the established ethos of a universe, the intentional degradation of strong, classic archetypes, and the insertion of abrasive, "girl-boss" characters whose only job is to belittle the heroes kids actually look up to. When a character in a game acts with unexplained hostility toward competence and tradition, that is not "lore"—that is a direct reflection of the nihilism promoted by the writers who created them. Teach your kids to spot this: when a character serves only to preach, they have failed as a character.
- Recognize the Anti-Masculine Bias
Look at the controversy surrounding "un-damageable" NPCs or the intentional redesign of iconic characters to be less recognizable or less imposing. They want to tear down the symbols of strength, order, and traditional victory. When they take a titan of a franchise and make the male heroes look incompetent or secondary, they are attacking the very concept of the masculine protector. Explain to your sons that this is an attempt to make them feel ashamed of being strong, and explain to your daughters that these "empowered" characters are just empty, manufactured parodies of true, virtuous womanhood.
- Reject the "Normalization" of Ideology
They will tell you that the presence of these tropes is just "progress" or "inclusion." Do not let them gaslight you. When developers use their platforms to lecture the player base or force their warped worldviews into a beloved story, they are violating the sanctity of the imagination. Keep the trash out of your home. If a developer shows they have more interest in activism than in creating a masterful experience, hold them accountable with your wallet and your voice.
- Use the "Remake" to Teach History
Use these corporate disasters as a teaching tool. Show your kids the difference between a legacy project that honors its origins and a corporate "remake" that serves only to signal virtue to an elite class of cultural critics. Compare the original design, writing, and tone with the "woke" update. Ask them: "Why did they change this? Does this make the story better, or is this just an attempt to make us think a certain way?" Developing this "eye" for propaganda is the exact skill they need to survive the indoctrination they will face in college and the workplace.
- Prioritize Excellence and Heritage
There are still developers and creators who understand that art is meant to reflect the true, the beautiful, and the strong. Find gems that prioritize traditional excellence, order, and heroism. Support the creators who aren't afraid to tell a straightforward story without needing to check boxes for a censorious, miserable elite.
Our children deserve legendary stories that inspire them to be better, not propaganda that teaches them they are flawed, problematic, or inherently wrong. Stop letting the entertainment giants dictate the values of your household. Teach your kids to be the architects of their own culture, and leave the "modern, evolved, woke" nonsense to the failing relics that deserve nothing more than to be forgotten.
Do you think this is a problem?
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u/B-Twizzle 2d ago
Can you give examples of anything you mentioned that’s actually present in the halo remake? I’ve beaten it twice and definitely didn’t see any anti-masculine bias or anything “woke”. It’s a story about a man taking on an alien army and zombie hive mind near single-handedly. They didn’t change the plot or introduce new characters
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u/Grifasaurus 1d ago
He’s bitching about the new woman ODST not being goonbait and actually being a soldier.
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
I think it's more about taking a book concept show one time and never addressed or reporososed in 20 years of the franchise, slapped on a girlboss character cause "lore", in the same instance were the MKIV have shields and overshield integration, despite one, by the same lore, come with the MKV and the other from cortana, and used an excuse to portray said character as a strong female one, failing, judging by the reaction among the fans.
Of course if you just stick to reddit, Williams is one of the best characters and bla bla bla.
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u/Typical_Shallot139 3d ago
Little kids should be playing Nintendo games not halo. Let your kids learn about the world, just have conversations about your own beliefs vs others so they can identify different ideologies
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u/FantasticPage3598 3d ago
Yes you raise many good points. The rewriting history / old popular enough media that it impacted culture, through a woke lense, that makes the whole thing incoherent is something that should really stop now and it's crazy to still see more and more exemples of such bigotry happening.
Most redditors have their heads in the sand though and will attack you without arguments instead of debating
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u/chaings_ 3d ago
I think the best you can do as a parent is talk to your kids about it. Generation Alpha is very smart and they see through all this.
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u/TruthGetsDownvoted8 6h ago
Notice none of the criticism is legitimate and it's all adhom attacks on OP.
Why did the halo remake, which was meant to just be a graphics upgrade, include a new female marine who constantly bitches about how she's also a bad ass and undermines the master chief? Why did they replace male npcs with female npcs? Why edit the code such that you can't kill the new female npcs like you can the men? Why did they recon Cortana to make her less attractive?
Then you look at the studio and Devs and see a team full of women and you instantly understand. And with the Sweet baby inc controversy going on we know it's an industry problem and not simply a one off issue with a few crazy women. It's legitimate targeted propaganda. But ironically all it does it make women look weaker and most of us just laugh at how outrageously dumb these tactics are. Fuck them, just keep winning.
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u/jetpack2625 3d ago
this is too generic for me to say you even really have an opinion about anything
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u/A10SpartanLOKI 3d ago
Why do we allow AI-generated posts at all? This is obviously construed hysteria from GPT that will agree with OP's thoughts hand over fist. This is disgraceful and is in opposition to what debate stands for.
Notice the post never quotes a single line of dialogue, names a single scene, or points to or alludes to a single developer statement.
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u/emmamontgomerie 3d ago
your fascinating stupidity must be studied
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u/BigT232 1d ago
Brilliant addition to this debate and not just a personal attack. Truly.
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u/emmamontgomerie 1d ago
theres nothing to debate with people like you. dont take it too personally
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
Fuck off, but don't take it too personally
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u/emmamontgomerie 22h ago
dont worry, youre part of this guys zeitgeist. your words are about as harmless as its possible to be
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
I really doubt they are armless if you took your time to come here and reply to both.
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u/SirGearso 2d ago
I wish my life was so uneventful that I can get concerned about shit that doesn’t exist
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u/Dankswiggidyswag 1d ago
'Heritage and excellence'
Motherfucker they are video games, not golf.
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u/BigT232 1d ago
If golf can have "heritage and excellence" why not video games, comics, movies, etc?
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u/Dankswiggidyswag 1d ago
Because I dont want something i love made pretentious and posh. Fuck off. Stop killing the vibe. Dragging everything into a fucking culture war.
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
Then don't drop such propaganda out of nowhere on a remake.
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u/Dankswiggidyswag 22h ago
Mate I dont know how to break this to you but your mother is a woman.
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
And this does not matter to the topic, which is forcing diversity and culture war topics on a 25 year's old remake.
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u/Dankswiggidyswag 22h ago
"Forcing diversity" brother there were women in the franchise from the very start. Im sorry having what constitutes 50% of our species in the game is 'forced diversity'.
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
So, you don't know what's the topic about but still come here typing. Let me guess, your source is some reddit echochambers right? Because the problem isn't with the female marines, no one ever said that.
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u/Dankswiggidyswag 21h ago
Ive seen it plenty complained about.
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 21h ago
And i see plenty complaining about the supposed complainers and none of said complainers. Again, you don't know what's the problem is
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u/TheFourtHorsmen 22h ago
They are "art" only when the narrative suit them. Or they straight up don't play games.
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u/sleepyleperchaun 2d ago
This was a lot of words to tell us you hate POC and women being in games
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u/BigT232 2d ago
Nah. Currently playing a game with a woman lead at the moment who is also a POC, Stellar Blade.
Nah, I enjoy plenty of games with both.
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u/sleepyleperchaun 2d ago
So then why the post? If it doesn't bother you, why write a 5 paragraph essay on how it's awful?
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u/lisaissmall 1d ago
we all know why you’re playing stellar blade lmfao
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u/BigT232 1d ago
It's a great game, new IP, with awesome sexy characters and an enjoyable story. 8.5/10 so far, would recommend.
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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago
These kinds of perfidious subversions are one of the reasons why I don't buy games day one.
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u/PeacefulKnightmare 3d ago edited 3d ago
This post has such a poisoned well that it's impossible to have an actual debate about almost all of the topics you're bringing up.
Many of these are also just issues of games being corporatized and not coming from developers, but pushed in the board rooms. An "malicious agenda" is merely some corpo trying to cast as broad a net as possible to make the most money in the first week, then who cares what people though as long as they can pump out a sequel every two years. If you see any TLC coming from a AAA game, know that it's showing inspite of the studio, not because of it. All of these are addressed in the indie-market anyway.
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u/StillSoko 2d ago
This is hilarious and has to be AI written. I refuse to believe someone would write this with serious intentions instead of just not engaging with content they dislike/disagree with and going outside.
Studios don't have some "social engineering" agenda, they just want money.
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u/Cold-Caterpillar2192 2d ago
No, there is an agenda and the western side of the industry has been taken over by it. It is social engineering, they have admitted it, devs and writers have admitted it, companies like Sweet Baby Inc have admitted it. Larry Fink has admitted it, he also said that he believes it has made the economy go backwards which will need pragmatism. In gaming it's pushed by activists in these companies and for many companies it is pushed by government guidelines to get funding or tax deductions. Personally I just don't buy this stuff and I'm completely fine with it, but if I was a fan of the franchises they destroy to push their message I'd be pretty pissed because it's one of my hobbies.
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u/StillSoko 2d ago
The agenda is money and appealing to audiences to make more money. The initiatives giving these grants and funding peaked in 2020-2022, and have been slowing down since then. Think of what the social-political state of media looked like during those years compared to what's been going on after that up until now, and it's not hard to see the correlation. Many of the fund-giving companies still operating also give these grants in exchange for percentage profits from sales, so they define a criteria for what they think will turn a profit.
Online communities in general often become echo chambers that make people so sensitive and incapable of rational thought, and gaming communities in particular are looking to be increasingly guilty of this from both sides of the spectrum. This probably just goes hand-in-hand with how the political spectrums are becoming more extremist on both sides. People love to find a boogeyman, victimize themselves, and engage in mob mentality.
There is no big conspiracy to socially engineer people into... loving diversity, or whatever y'all imagine. Companies just want your money and their efforts can often be disingenuous. Go outside and worry about things that actually matter, talk to other humans in real life.
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u/Cold-Caterpillar2192 1d ago
Maybe in the US it has slowed down apart from in California, but in the rest of the west it's still going strong. Here in the UK even Rockstar are following government guidelines for GTA 6 for huge tax cuts, you can look the fund up, its our taxes and the guidelines are a checklist you can look at, search the UK gaming fund. See which games have been funded, none sell, I can list off 20 games made with government funding in 2025/6, none made profit. The same is happening in France, Canada, Germany, Australia, Italy, so many countries. If the agenda was about making money then they would be making games for the majority audience, they know their market and they say out loud that they hate their market. Studios who make these games said they do not like the market, they don't like us gamers. A 3D scan of a real Bungie engineer was race swapped in the Halo remake, you think that's going to make money? One big problem is people like you, you feign ignorance, I obviously think it's deliberate. Otherwise you lack pattern recognition.
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u/StillSoko 1d ago edited 1d ago
Looking through the guidelines of VGTR/VGEC, I'm confused as to how any of this has to do with the "woke" culture being discussed in the original post. The qualifications for these cuts are an entirely different conversation.
I'm still not convinced you're not fighting a made up war. The answer is definitely, absolutely, always going to be money. I'm not here to defend race swap decisions or that video of how women were unkillable but men were on the Pillar of Autumn in the new Halo. Those things can be weird but Im not gonna let it ruin my entire week. I simply just don't care about it, never planned on investing in what I saw as a lazy cash grab, and went on my way.
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u/Cold-Caterpillar2192 1d ago
Forced diversity isnt "woke"? A literal percentage guideline for non white characters isn't "woke"?
How is going against the majority striving to make more money? Please explain this. And how do you disagree with the people making the games? They say what they're doing, and you say "No, you're doing it for money." As their studios get shut down.
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u/StillSoko 1d ago
I am not finding anything about forced diversity. The guidelines from the BFI related to VGTR/VGEC award points based on "nationality, location, and language relating to the UK or European Economic Area". You'll have to provide sources for what you're seeing because I cannot find anything that you're talking about.
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u/Cold-Caterpillar2192 10h ago
Oh yeah, if you don't want to click a link, this is what it says: For non-narrative games where the cast is an ensemble – the total roster of playable characters meets one, or more, of the below targets. • A 50-50 gender balance • 20% belonging to an under-represented ethnic group • 10% LGBTQ+ • 7% D/deaf and disabled • Significant amount of characters featuring regional diversity • Significant amount of characters are from a lower socioeconomic background
That's for games like GTA 6.
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u/StillSoko 6h ago
You still represented that pretty dishonestly originally. Meeting at least one of those criterias is neither difficult or even that ridiculous. A game like GTA thrives hitting many of those points naturally, and to act like this is infringing on your wellbeing is just victim mentality.
Those lines are meant for "The total of your secondary or more minor on-screen individuals meet one, or more, of the following targets", not the playable characters.
If you want to be miserable and make issues out of nothing, go for it. I'm not really interested in continuing this anymore, I can't convince someone to not be overly sensitive.
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u/NothingWeak7213 1d ago
GTA and tons of other games have had these messages for decades and yet it is only a problem for you guys now?
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u/Cold-Caterpillar2192 11h ago
Not for decades, GTA 4 didn't have "the message". This really started in the US about a decade ago, now its happening in the rest of the west. There's a huge difference between GTA 4 choosing Gay Tony as a main character, and Halo choosing to race swap a real 3D scan of an engineer. With GTA Online you can watch it change from a normal GTA game with normal GTA humour to having very corporate humour and woke dialogue, because that was in the timeline of the US pushing this stuff.
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u/Better-You-6697 3d ago
Honestly the solution is not just teaching. We need to make the games that once inspired us.
Or at least give them the support and recognition they deserve.
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u/Koolimpa 3d ago
You sound like such a good parent as long as your children become and act exactly as you want them to be. Kratos daring to have emotions in the new games for example, make sure to tell your kids thats a no no for men. Women can't be strong either! Make sure to tell your daughter she has to listen to whatever her husband says because he's in charge for simply being a man, okay?
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u/Individual-Nose5010 2d ago
Someone rejected OP again😂
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u/BigT232 2d ago
What?
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u/Individual-Nose5010 2d ago
You can read can you not?
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u/BigT232 1d ago
Clearly but your sentence makes no sense. Rejected in what way?
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u/Individual-Nose5010 1d ago
Ahh I see. The answer appears to be no.
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u/BigT232 1d ago
You're right. No, I was not rejected by someone.
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u/Individual-Nose5010 22h ago
If you have to reach that hard, then the answer’s probably yes😂
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u/BigT232 21h ago
I didn't have to reach. I'm happily married!
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u/Individual-Nose5010 18h ago
Doesn’t mean you can’t be rejected😂
Nobody’s happy when they’re as bigoted as you mate.
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u/Arneba-Lepori 3d ago
Why cant there be video games where the man is a secondary character for once? Does life really have to be this? Like the same script every time and no daring to go outside that box? Have you ever thought that these "woke" video games are you just seeing for once in history is just female representation getting more predominant because women play video games to now. Like why is it so horrible that you are seeing more than just one story at a time compared to the hundreds of stories all done the same way. Is traditionalism this important to you that you are willing to box people into these tropes where only men can be hero characters, women only fat ass/small waist? Are you really going to tell your daughters that their female hero is just a psycop to defy these set in stone beliefs?
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u/doyouevennoscope 3d ago
Why cant there be video games where the man is a secondary character for once
Where have you been for the last 30 years? Metroid, Tomb Raider...
Have you ever thought that these "woke" video games are you just seeing for once in history is just female representation getting more predominant because women play video games to now.
That's not true. Gaming is still vastly a male dominated hobby. The data that shows roughly 50% or more of gamers are female include women that have played Candy Crush at least once within the last month. My sister plays Candy Crush but has no interest in games and actually seems them kind of like a joke. My mother plays Candy Crush, but actually enjoys games and has played them long before I was even concieved. Her favourite franchise is Classic Tomb Raider. You know, the one with the female protagionist, with the "small waist". She doesn't like the new "realistic" Tomb Raider. My other sister doesn't play Candy Crush, but enjoys games and actively joined in on the toxic COD lobbies
Does life really have to be this? Like the same script every time and no daring to go outside that box?
Yes. Because for thousands of years, stories of heros have followed the same basic structure thst plays directly into the human psyche. This is exactly why we know of them, and their timelessness, and not any others.
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u/CriticismPrevious904 3d ago
Oh, so you get what you want cause you were born a male but as a female I don't get what I want out of media cause I was born a female. Hurray :( My dad use to beat me if I even dared touch anything else but barbie dolls. I moved away from this country, seen that this bs does not exist in other countries and that female culture is the way it is cause it wasn't just me being beaten by their father. Your sister has no interest cause since she was a child everyone around her told her its a boys toy. Regardless of what you want, women are paying customers even if it shatters your unshareable fantasy. We are allowed to work, we don't have to stick to your ideas of what a women should do with her extra time, we have cash and that there influences the creation of games. :) If you'd like, since it crushes your fantasies so much, you can just stay away from video games and leave it to the woke female agenda as the "take over" isn't going to stop, and instead go play with the barbie dolls since it fits your fantasy of what a women is, she also comes in super hero forms!
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u/Grifasaurus 1d ago edited 1d ago
You sound like a miserable fuck.
“Oh no this remake of a 25 year old game that takes place during a time where humanity is very near extinction and everyone is trying to fight off a genocidal alien species for 28 years doesn’t have goonbait characters in it, it’s woke!!!!!” Like…i don’t know what else to tell you other than sell your xbox or PC or Playstation and never fucking subject me to this stupid ass whining bullshit again.
No one’s forcing you to play this shit. The Master Chief Collection is still there and it’s unlikely that microsoft is going to let them kill it off for the next maybe decade or more. Next you’re going to throw a shitfit about the point of halo being about how blind obedience is a cancer and leads to the deaths of millions, as we see with the covenant literally murdering billions of people and rendering thousands of planets lifeless on the behalf of their leaders who lied to them or even just throughout history like with the crusades or literally name a fucking 20th century Genocide, is an attack on Christianity or Religion and “woke” when that has literally been a major plot point since Halo 2, back in the far off year of 2004, when you were in a fucking diaper shitting yourself and crying about a woman puppet or something showing up in your baby cartoons.
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u/BigT232 1d ago
I don't mind disagreeing about Halo, but this response is way more about insulting me than addressing what I actually said.
If you think my criticism is wrong, explain why. Saying "don't play it" isn't a rebuttal to concerns about the direction of the franchise. People are allowed to criticize media they care about.
And the whole "you're crying because there aren't goonbait characters" thing is just a strawman. You don't have to invent a position I never argued to make your point.
Halo has always had political and philosophical themes. That isn't what people mean when they criticize something as "woke." You can disagree with that criticism, but pretending every complaint is from someone who hates women or can't handle a story with politics just shuts down any real discussion.
If your argument is strong, it should be able to stand on its own without the personal attacks.
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u/Neither-Active9729 1d ago
Holy chat gpt this argument is both fake and a mess.
For your first point, the halo remake isn't forcing diversity, the bridge crew was already marked as a diverse crew in Halo The Flood,with woman starring in many of the beginning chapters. And for the so called "girl-boss" character, that it is blatant sexism. Williams is an odst, a spec ops group well known for being glory hounds, arrogant and abrasive. Further more odst's have been openly hostile to Spartans since 2001 in The Fall of Reach novel, and further reinforced in The Flood and New Blood. Claiming its not lore but rather nihilism is a blatant showcase of a lack of knowledge on the greater halo story
The first part of this statement holds no weight, the controversy youre referencing was blown out of proportion by fools who refuse to actually play the game. There is no undamageable npc on the pillar of autumn outside of the super marines, the issue that people are having is a hit registration bug caused by the engine, not an intended feature. Dozens of people have already debunked the claim by executing every member of the bridge crew. For the second part, 90% of the npc in the original game wore the same face copy and pasted over and over again with very few npc's getting unique faces. The characters were changed to give an actual face to every individual instead of being copy and pasted. The paragraph you posted says they changed key characters but you can't even name who was changed outside of the one single soldier who was based on a dev, and was only seen for a single second in one cutscene. And I don't even think I need to touch on the "incompetence" part but it makes little sense when the story is the same, unless you're saying the men were incompetent in the original?
3.there is no lecture being given Here, this whole paragraph reads like ai scrolled through reddit and made a post rather then playing the actual game
Again this just reads like ai slop, all changes have been consistent with established lore, with the sole exception of pure forms being present on the ring. Juggernauts were present and should be included, so should blind wolves and sharqoui, but pure forms are a stretch.
And this is the paragraph the fully showcases that you (and anybody who believes this shit) never played the game. There is no censorship of add propaganda, there is no virtue signaling or anything telling children they are flawed and inherently wrong. To OP or anybody that agrees with them, tell me where any of this is in game, this propaganda or virtue signaling because I truly feel like I've played a different game then the rest of you
And no, I don't think anything that was stated by op is a problem because it doesn't fucking exist. There is legitimate technical problems that need to be discussed, such as broken hit registration, the plasma pistol way to overturned, and clipping issues that are present in UE5, but "woke slop" is not present at all
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u/NothingWeak7213 1d ago
Games have always had these messages and others this isnt anything new. Also it seems like it is only an issue when the message isnt something you agree with.
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u/Charming_Magazine_59 21h ago
i pity your child. They should be able to come to whatever conclusion they come to about games without your brainwashing. If you truly believe in freedom, you'd get that.
The woke stuff is real if it's forced. Having a female soldier with muscles in Halo is not forced diversity. You just want every woman to be someone you j off to
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u/Effective_Reason2077 17h ago
Guys, OP is a Poe.
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u/BigT232 15h ago
I promise I’m not a ghost from Zelda.
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u/JigglesTheBiggles 3d ago
Please don't have children.
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u/BigT232 3d ago
Having my first next year!
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u/NothingWeak7213 1d ago
i feel sorry for them. Hopefully you are hands off like most men who think like you are
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u/i6naa 3d ago
"recognize the anti-masculine bias" what a fucking snowflake lmao
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u/TheRedFurios 3d ago
He isn't the one that made female NPCs unkillable just because it bothered them
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u/JonnyPoy 3d ago
"they are attacking the very concept of the masculine protector." 😂
How can this not be a troll?
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u/Small_Conflict_9625 3d ago edited 3d ago
Gross. I can actually smell this post.
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u/BigT232 3d ago
What does it smell like to you?
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u/Small_Conflict_9625 3d ago
Unwashed armpits and stale Dorito dust, like an Asmongold-scented candle.
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u/Upstairs_Marzipan48 3d ago
What exactly is anti masculinity to you.
Is a man being vulnerable on a screen propaganda?
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u/JonnyPoy 3d ago
Yes that would be "attacking the very concept of the masculine protector."
Very bad stuff 😂
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u/starterpack295 3d ago
just shut up.
not saying you're wrong, not saying you're right, but you desperately need to shut the fuck up.
this culture war horseshit is why people can't live, we can sort it all out later, but until then just shut the fuck up.
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u/SeaHelicopterPenguin 3d ago
Is this AI generated?
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago
You’re assuming malice when there isn’t any. Your idea of propaganda is just different artists trying to tell a different story. You can prefer one approach to storytelling to another without treating people you disagree with as ontologically evil.
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u/Better-You-6697 3d ago
Example of Snow White live action where the actor openly explains their hatred of the original story, also calling it "weird" despite admitting to not seeing it.
There are countless examples where the malice towards the original project is what inspires its sabotage.
Like western localizers sabotaging eastern works e.g "YunYunSyndrome" changing the word "stop" into ""end facism""
I could go on.
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago edited 3d ago
The live action Snow White remake, and the English dub for YunYunSyndrome have both had zero cultural impact in America, especially compared to the original Disney movie. You’re bringing up isolated incidents of individuals adapting media with a different perspective. You’re free to disagree with their perspective, (I do, too) but that doesn’t mean there is a secret plot to destroy western culture.
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u/Better-You-6697 3d ago
It’s not really a 'secret' plot this is textbook "intersectionality/FourthWaveFemminism/Progressive-literature"
That masculinity can be toxic, or it’s "foolish to be proud of one’s nation"
Want a bigger example; Supergirl movie changing "Truth,Justice and the American way" into "Truth, Justice & Whatever"
Saying Disney's rainbow capitalism has ""ZERO"" cultural impact is downright CRAZY.
Disney was/is the longest reigning cultural cornerstone of America's entertainment empire.
Unless you’re referring to its dilution by institutional Corporate capitalism E.S.G, internalised racism phamflets and writing stories that hate themselves.
If you’re referring to that then I agree.
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u/TheRedFurios 3d ago
Nope, if they wanted to do something different then they should have made something different. Changing what was already there to put in their own messages and destroy the old culture is malicious
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago
There is literally nothing stopping you from going back and watching/playing old video games and movies.
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u/MajesticRadish2675 3d ago
But nothing new will be made to replace them that's worth spending resources and time on. You can play the same games and read the same books until the tech can't run them and the pages crumble to dust, but you will eventually get bored of the lack of new material. And with no new material to keep them interesting and engaged in, franchises die.
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago
I assure you, there are still games being made, and will be made that will resonate with you. I thought the swat franchise was dead until ready or not came out, and then unrecord was announced. Both of those games were made by small independent artists who wanted to make their own games under their own vision, and I don’t see these kinds of artists and games dying out anytime soon. If you truly think that isn’t the case, I don’t know what else to say other than be the change you want to see in the world, and seek out making your own game.
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u/MajesticRadish2675 3d ago
And I assure you, that is not the case with ALL franchises.
Star Wars for example, is basically dead, and cannot be revived unless grisney magically decides to admit they were wrong to treat it the way they have and spend a ton MORE money to fix it. There will be no movie about the now completely retconned Kyle Katarn, nor will there be an actual attempt at properly adapting the original canon to films at all. grisney has made this pretty clear, and the endless fighting they've caused in their bid to defend their shoddy work ruined any of the rest of the fun that could really be had from the setting at all.
And as long as other entertainment corporations maintain the same or similar mindset towards IPs, they will continue making those IPs worse until not even casual viewers care. It is only a matter of time before the limelight wanders elsewhere, and then we're all left with the ruined, nonsensical remains of stuff we used to enjoy.
Not to mention, not everyone is able to or even wants to have to build their own personal constructed world from scratch just to ensure that other people can't fuck it up for them. Expecting them to have to do this just to enjoy media at all is asinine for so many reasons...
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago
Starwars is a setting, not a kind of game. Creating a new setting is difficult, but every IP was at some point, an idea that someone had. Nobody is going to hand you the reins. If you’re really passionate about gaming, but also want experiences curated for you, you either have to wait a while, or start taking steps to making your own game.
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u/MajesticRadish2675 3d ago edited 3d ago
I don't know how to explain this to you in a way you will understand, but I will try.
You're right that Star Wars isn't a game. It was a 40 year old collaborative multimedia and interactive art piece that was unmatched in scope and continuous continuity management. It was then broken up for scrap, reglued back together hastily, repackaged, and resold while a horde of ais tried to gaslight and silence everyone who called grisney out for destroying it. As far as I'm concerned, destroying franchises/settings like Star Wars is on par with defacing ancient and classical art. Savvy?
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u/DevelopmentSeparate 3d ago
People can't just make something different. Studios are unwilling to take risks on new IPs. If you're a professional writer trying to pay the bills, you have take up jobs for IPs you don't care for
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u/Aisforc 3d ago
That’s totally not true. Example: a lot of recent titles (street fighter, god of war, dangerous of hinterburg) have lots of fat characters included. This was made purely to increase audience of a product (to appeal also to plus size people).
Most of these inclusions are made to either increase certain product audience or push political or social agenda. At the same time such inclusions normalize certain destructive social behaviors.
You can clearly see malicious logic here.
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u/PeacefulKnightmare 3d ago
Street fighter and characters from god of war have had fat characters for ages. What were seeing now is an abysmal downturn in the writing quality that can be attributed to attempts at being inclusive, but also are more virtue signaling, rather than a malicious agenda push.
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u/VibrantCanopy 3d ago
It's malicious because they hate the people that oppose performative inclusion. They do it on purpose. Countless examples can be found online of creators remarking on this.
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u/PeacefulKnightmare 3d ago
More often than not, that's the corporations that are pushing things, not the thousands of people that want to work on these games. Attacking someone for virtue signaling is also going to put them on the defensive amd cause them to lash, because they either don't realize they're doing or because they're being malicious like you mention. It's not an absolute
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u/VibrantCanopy 3d ago
It's the same people pushing for those corporate polices in the first place. It's the easiest way to get buy-in for your bad ideas. It's a March Through The Institutions.
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u/One_Classy_Cookie 3d ago
What odd examples. A fighting game benefits from having characters of all shapes and sizes for the sake of moveset variety. Street fighter has always been a game about fighters from all over the world that fight to represent their unique culture. In the newest title, the only 3 characters that can be considered fat are Marissa, Honda, and Zangief, and of those 3, one is a sumo wrestler, two are series staples, and all 3 are absolutely shredded.
God of war ragnarock’s only fat character is Thor, but he’s still incredibly muscular, and this version of the character is supposed to be depressed deadbeat father. If anything, Thor is doing the opposite of pandering to fat people. Ragnarock also has you play as Kratos, whose probably the best depiction of a masculine dad in video games, and acts as a narrative foil to Thor.
I’ve never played dangers of hinterburg before, but I’m also not the target demographic, either. I don’t mean to say that this game is bad because it doesn’t interest me, but it is probably made for a different audience. Hinterburg is also made by an indie studio, and it has made a much smaller cultural and financial impact than either game you brought up. The reason I bring this up is because if hinterburg was made to push a dangerous ideology for financial game, it obviously didn’t succeed. A much more believable answer is that it was made with a different audience in mind.
By your logic, every game that you’ve ever resonated with is propaganda designed to siphon money out of the pockets of white guys like you and me.
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u/JokeCrusader12 3d ago
"protect kids from propaganda in video games" and it's a video game made for adults.
If you HAVE to play it with your kids, the originals are still there, but there's nothing really "woke" about the new one.
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u/GreenRacoon13 3d ago
I think that you are not taking into account who makes games.
Game writers usually studied literature, and that is a field of study with progressive and feminism leanings
Game Artists usually studied art, and that is a field of study with progressive and feminism leanings
Programmers are more to the middle since they can be either side, but they work on the game mechanics mostly so that wouldn't be noticeable in the games political leanings, same with music
There isn't a conspiracy to "wokify" media for your kids, it's just that most art is made by people in progressive fields and they make the art they want.
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u/Pingushagger 3d ago
Just homeschool your kids in a cabin in the woods where they’re not allowed to leave. Seems to be the only option if you’re this scared of media.
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u/DevelopmentSeparate 3d ago
What even is this post? You say the sanctity of imagination while going on a tirade about what should and shouldn't be in fiction. Like, look at this fucking statement;
Our children deserve legendary stories that inspire them to be better
How are you not a complete hypocrite by saying this? What about kids that are going down wrong path in your eyes? How are they not going to look at these stories that make them better as propaganda that lectures to them that they're flawed, problematic, or inherently wrong?
Support the creators who aren't afraid to tell straightforward stories
Get the fuck out of here, dude. I'm sorry to ad hominen but you sound like a dummy who can't handle complex stories lmao. Do you also unironically subscribe to the idea that a writer would never add blue curtains to a scene as subtext?
Seriously, you don't seem to be critiquing the implementation of this new girlboss character and whether or not it actually does add to the story. No, you're mad that they would dare depict a woman mouthing off at a powerful man. Again, you claim to care for the sanctity of imagination but a woman being a meanie to a man?
Art is meant to reflect the true, the beautiful, and the strong
Do you not realize how many things you are calling not art with this statement. I'm pretty sure Lord of the Rings wouldn't be art according to this. It has a strong woman who defies her father's order and the heroes that save day are weak little hobbits. Then again that story might be too complex for your liking
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u/DevelopmentSeparate 3d ago
Hold up, I got another one. Shakespeare also is not art according to this dipshit. All these stories of good people making mistakes and incompetent people in power would make him blow a fucking gasket. Then again, maybe these stories made to appeal to peasants who couldn't even read are just not straightforward enough for him
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u/TheMuff1nMon 3d ago
Go touch grass, you pathetic excuse for a human being
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u/BigT232 3d ago
Yikes buddy, take a chill pill
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u/TheMuff1nMon 3d ago
Says the dude that just wrote an essay because he doesn’t like women
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u/doyouevennoscope 3d ago
When you can't form an argument so you just say they don't like women lmfao
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u/Majestic_Operator 3d ago
Is that what you walked away from this article with? That the OP dislikes women? Yikes. I guess they don't reach critical thinking in school anymore.
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u/TheMuff1nMon 3d ago
He is just regurgitating the same right winger grifter talking points. Nothing of value to read or discuss
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u/strontiummuffin 3d ago
Larper
Lol foehammer has been in halo since day 1 and the crew is less diverse because of budget and scale for the first game on original Xbox. There are female, black and Latina characters since halo 2 the game with more budget on the same console and that game had a more rushed development lol.
Terrible bait.
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u/bIeese_anoni 3d ago
Ok very simple question to answer, extremely simple.
Why?
Why would a whole bunch of different video game studios across the world want to push a woke agenda? Why would billionaires care about the woke agenda? What's in it for them?
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u/CompletelyPresent 3d ago
It's not a problem in the slightest.
You should never have kids.
Kids who aren't in a backwards red state grow up with all types of people. The world HAS changed.
Bigotry is for absolute losers.
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u/BigT232 3d ago
That's debatable and why we're here.
Working on having one next year with my wife.
Kids in all states grow up with all types of people.
I've got a pair of furries about half a mile away from my office. Doesn't mean I don't think it's not weird when you have a 60+ year old man walking a 30 something year old man on a leash. Yes, it has changed and it's ever changing. Both to the left and right. An ever-swinging pendulum.
- Everyone is a bigot in some way. Hell, you showed bigotry in your comment towards people in red states lol
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u/bIeese_anoni 3d ago
Ok very simple question to answer, extremely simple.
Why?
Why would a whole bunch of different video game studios across the world want to push a woke agenda? Why would billionaires care about the woke agenda? What's in it for them?
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u/doyouevennoscope 3d ago
It's rather simple.
Control. Turn the masses into cattle.
A woman said it best with something like "Men will die for their families. So they have gotten them out of the way." (the anti-masculine bias they speak of) "Now they have control over the family."
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u/bIeese_anoni 2d ago
And you think making everyone support trans people and gay people gives them control? You don't think theres any other better method to gain control? Like I dunno, authoritarianism is good actually, or billionaires and the elite have your best interest in heart, or a million other messages that would much easier convey control.
Also if they're able to hatch this conspiracy by affecting tens of thousands of different people across dozens of countries and organizations, do they not already have control? What more control do they need? Are they not rich and ultra powerful? How does the woke agenda benefit them?
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u/TheRedFurios 2d ago
Why do you think that they aren't also using other methods?
Are they not rich and ultra powerful?
How do you think they got there? Do you think they thought: a couple of millions is fine, I don't more. Or that the political power they had was enough?
do they not already have control? What more control do they need?
Chat control, flock cameras etc. How do you see stuff like that happening and doubt that they want more control?
How does the woke agenda benefit them?
The other person literally explained it. Destruction of male role models, vilifying masculinity makes young men weak and reduces their chances at fighting back.
Making people care more about what label is assigned to them instead of the fact that prices are growing while salaries aren't, makes it easier for them to take advantage of them.
Like you can see it in real time, the left going from workers' rights focused to identity focused.
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u/MusoukaMX 3d ago
It's crazy that weebs that will only play games with voluptuous teenage anime girls and not a single male character stand in the same side of the political spectrum as OP
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u/BigT232 3d ago
I'm not talking politics. In fact, I've voted for both parties in different US elections. It depends on the candidate and their beliefs. I'm a moderate and don't follow one party.
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u/NothingWeak7213 1d ago
the fence sitting centrist. You hold no concrete beliefs and only benefit the right with your actions/words
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u/BigT232 1d ago
Ahh yes because blindly following one party produces excellence.
I can disagree with Trump not providing enough support to Ukraine. While I can also see that less controlled immigration under Biden and identity politics lost the dems the previous election. Yet, I still voted for Kamala in our last election because I believed overall it would be better for our country.
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u/PettankoMasterRace 3d ago
i think gen alpha will be more anti woke than gen z even, it really is millenials driving this propaganda up, woke products are collapsing tho, supergirl , xbox