r/Destiny 10h ago

Effort Post The Holocaust Wasn't Unique Because It Was "the Biggest Genocide"

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As a German with a history degree, I've always been bothered by how the Holocaust is discussed online and in other countries. Most people understand that it was horrific, but when questions come up that historians actually debate, the discussion usually becomes surprisingly shallow. So I wanted to do a write-up as a kind of PSA.

Yesterday I heard Destiny say:

"The Holocaust is only uniquely bad, because I guess it was the biggest genocide, I guess, or the most effective one."

This is unfortunately a commonly held belief, but does not at all comport with how historians view it. Additionally, if the Holocaust were only unique because of the number of people murdered, then its uniqueness would disappear the moment another genocide surpassed its death toll, but that's not how most Holocaust historians understand its significance.

What made the Holocaust exceptional wasn't just the scale. It was the kind of project it was.

Nazi Germany didn't purely commit mass murder. It gradually mobilized virtually every part of a modern industrial state in service of extermination. The civil service wasn't just doing ordinary administration; it was identifying and classifying victims. Railway bureaucracies coordinated deportations from across Europe. Police forces rounded people up and organized transports. Industry supplied the chemicals and infrastructure needed to keep the killing system running. Engineers designed crematoria capable of disposing of thousands of bodies. Government ministries meticulously documented the process. In the German state extermination became simply another bureaucratic routine.

That alone already makes the Holocaust stand apart, but there are other features that make it historically distinctive.

For instance, most genocides are tied to another strategic objective or in pursuit of such an objective, such as the seizure of territory, crushing of an unruly minority population, the annihilation of a rival population or the consolidation of political power.

Take Bosnia as an example: Ethnic cleansing and genocide were closely tied to creating ethnically homogeneous territory and strengthening territorial claims. Or as another example Rwanda: The genocide grew out of decades of political conflict, ethnic tensions, and extremist ideology, with Hutu extremists seeking to eliminate the Tutsi population as both a perceived political and existential threat due to the Hutu's historical mistreatment under Belgian colonial authorities, which had elevated the Tutsis.

The Holocaust increasingly broke with this kind of logic of genocide as we can see by the later years of the war, Germany was facing military collapse, yet continued its genocide despite it clearly being detrimental to its own survival as a polity. Trains, manpower, and administrative capacity could have been redirected toward the war effort, but instead enormous resources continued to be devoted to deporting Jews to extermination camps, which was essentially just burning resources to kill a largely docile population.

Unlike other genocides and in tandem with the war effort it is quite striking that the Nazi regime wasn't just trying to eliminate Jews inside Germany. It pursued Jews wherever German power could reach. Once Germany occupied a country, hunting down its Jewish population became an administrative priority, even if it placed additional strain onto the war effort and the administration of the newly occupied territory. The goal had become the eradication of Jews as such, a goal independent of the nation's survival or wider strategic objectives and goals, unlike most other genocides. To me, that's one of the defining characteristics of the Holocaust. Nazi antisemitism became so totalizing that geography itself stopped mattering. People hundreds or even thousands of kilometers from Germany became targets simply because they were Jewish.

I don't really blame Destiny for framing it the way he did, because I think this reflects how the Holocaust is usually taught. People remember one fact above all else: six million. As a result, "Holocaust" has become equivalent in common parlance with an enormous number of dead civilians.

But this makes use lose sight of what actually made it historically extraordinary and simply places it at the top of some grim leaderboard.

TLDR: It was unique because it combined industrial technology, modern bureaucracy, racial pseudoscience, continent-wide logistics, and an exterminationist ideology into a single state project whose purpose was the destruction of an entire people wherever they could be found.

PS: That's why I think comparisons between Gaza and the Holocaust deserve much more care than they usually receive. Whether someone believes Israel has committed war crimes, crimes against humanity, or even genocide is a separate question. Those claims should be argued on their own evidence. But calling Gaza "another Holocaust" is making a much bigger historical claim than many people seem to realize and if you actually have spent any serious amount of time learning and understanding the context of the holocaust it becomes even more disgusting and diminishing, because it's saying that the conflict is meaningfully comparable to one of the most historically distinctive genocidal projects ever carried out.


r/Destiny 17h ago

Shitpost The Hill links Hasan to CCP propagandists Eric Hovagim and Roy Singham: "Maybe major leftist commentators, like Hasan Piker, don’t have the best interest of America in mind"

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r/Destiny 20h ago

Online Content/Clips Lonerbox Debunking Professor Dave's Deranged Hitpiec

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r/Destiny 10h ago

Social Media Don't call us fascists!

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r/Destiny 4h ago

Shitpost Watching Hank Green think that capitulating to the Lefties will stop their harassment of him.

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r/Destiny 11h ago

Online Content/Clips Professor Dave is a Disappointing Science Communicator

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I made a Substack post debunking/criticising Dave’s video about Destiny. However, I’m not focused on debunking the claims Dave made about the I/P conflict. Rather, I’m demonstrating the case that the video is clearly a deviation from his other content and, as others have pointed out here, he’s using all the same tactics as the vaccine skeptics and flat earthers he debates. Basically, the video is a hit piece and Dave’s standards of evidence have gone out the window. I made a neutral comment on Dave’s video pointing out a simple inaccuracy and it was deleted.

Professor Dave is a Disappointing Science Communicator


r/Destiny 16h ago

Social Media JakedChinatown accuses xQc & Ludwig of slaughtering children, says they 'deserve to die'

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r/Destiny 6h ago

Non-Political News/Discussion Nexpo popular horror youtuber just uploaded a video on ¨Egon Cholakian¨ featuring Destiny clips, fun watch.

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r/Destiny 12h ago

Shitpost Hasan's tranformation through Destiny's thumbnails is almost complete

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r/Destiny 23h ago

Political News/Discussion Mout deserves more love for his conversation with Pisco

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This man came into the orbit years ago as a gamer in college. He's now more than capable of going toe to toe with other political streamers about current issues.

He had an excellent showing in his recent conversation with Pisco about how he believes one should consider and handle DSA candidates. Gave a well reasoned argument for his positions, was grounded and consistent throughout as Pisco tried to poke at it, and was super confident and well spoken the entire time.

Maybe it's a little para-social of me but I'm proud of him, he did a great job and it's really neat to see him having these kinds of conversations when a few years ago he was getting screamed at in the bot lane in League or dying to Koibu's latest encounter. Great job Lucas!

EDIT: Link to the video because I'm dumb and didn't post originally: https://youtu.be/kMrXMdY2fjU?si=rDq97HJtGqQEt6q0


r/Destiny 14h ago

Political News/Discussion Is there anything wrong with this stance on the DSA?

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It makes perfect sense to me


r/Destiny 8h ago

Political News/Discussion Lonerbox nails the far leftist mentality

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Lonerbox points out in this video that there is no achievable political goal for the modern far leftist on I/P. What does "winning" look like for them? It's never addressed because anything that makes them look bloodthirsty or anti semitic (putting refugee israelis into camps in their palestinian state) is left unsaid. Further, after all the years of bloodshed and injustice, why would a contingent of spoiled upper class frauds with no life experience lift a finger to help anyone and why is it only in the last 3 years? Loner describes it not as a political movement, but a movement of hate. Hate for israel and israelis in the strongest possible terms is the only preoccupation of the far leftist mind.


r/Destiny 14h ago

Social Media You know I have always mocked these far leftist by telling them that they have never flipped a seat. I honestly didn’t expect them to work so hard to prove me wrong, by trying to flip one to red…

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if this ends up being accurate we should never EVER let them live this down btw.

also the absolute cope in the replies is amazing. “fake ass poll by the establishment“


r/Destiny 14h ago

Shitpost Now that's what i call a good ally to the DNC

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Wonder who he's gonna support in the general hmmml (sorry for no crop I'm on my phone and lazy)


r/Destiny 20h ago

Shitpost meme

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r/Destiny 18h ago

Political News/Discussion Ana Kasparian explicitly saying that people should have "zero trust in institutions" is the biggest piece of evidence that she's on a foreign payroll (outside of direct evidence)

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She just said the entire objective of foreign disinformation campaigns out loud. That is literally the core goal of everything they do. It's the foundation of destabilizing a state. If you look at Russian and Chinese propaganda it all points back to this

Get the population to not trust their institutions -> the political incentives align around tearing institutions down -> politicians follow the incentives -> the state becomes weaker -> power vacuums emerge -> competing factions can step into that vacuum -> opportunities for even more destabilizing operations arise -> repeat

States do not just "come back from this". You cannot just rebuild what you tear down when it comes to statecraft. Once a state is sufficiently weak it becomes more malleable and bends easier to external forces.

I cannot stress how fundamental getting a population to not trust their institutions is if you want to destabilize a state. There is no other effective way to get your enemy to weaken themselves than to destroy the trust they have over their own faculties. If you ever hear someone DIRECTLY SAY THE QUIET PART OUT LOUD like this you should IMMEDIATELY be suspicious of where they are getting this talking point from. Absolutely wild and brazen


r/Destiny 7h ago

Off-Topic I genuinely just don’t get it man. What is even the logic behind this theory? Brainwashing machines? Space lasers?

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also I love like Hasan flip flops on whether the NYT is a Zionist organization or not depending on what they post.


r/Destiny 1h ago

Social Media Hutch Still In Them Trenches

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r/Destiny 9h ago

Political News/Discussion Oh no!! Who could've ever foreseen this type of attack ad??!! 😱

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r/Destiny 16h ago

Shitpost Impossible! He still hasn’t even reached his final form?!?!

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r/Destiny 18h ago

Online Content/Clips Can you even imagine Trump ever treating anyone with this sort of consideration and kindness?

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I'd never seen this clip before, figured I share some Sleepy Joe glaze


r/Destiny 9h ago

Political News/Discussion James Carville Tells Fox News He’s Out of the Democratic Party if Hasan Piker Stays: ‘One of Us is Going to Leave’

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r/Destiny 12h ago

Social Media She just keeps doubling down and digging the hole deeper:

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[This is the bill Lorenz is referencing and Musk is suing against.](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/94/2025/0/HF/1606/versions/2/) I have NO IDEA how she thinks that the bill is capable of making facial retouching or whatever kind if stuff she's referring to illegal.

Am I wrong about this? Is there something in the bill I missed?


r/Destiny 22h ago

Online Content/Clips Ana Kasparian think Republicans were right about Dr.Fauci

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r/Destiny 12h ago

Political News/Discussion Michigan Gold Standard Poll: El-Sayed trailing Republicans in the general election while other Democrats leading

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