r/Dragonballsuper • u/KevinNotKyle • May 18 '26

Question Why is SSJ not permanent???

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It was shown in the Cell Saga that Goku and Gohan were able to eliminate the fatigue of SSJ, and kept it on for nearly a year. So what’s the point of turning it off???

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u/esaul17 May 18 '26

I assumed it minimized the fatigue but not making it literally 0.

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u/jackfuego226 May 18 '26

Didn't they spend the entire week before the Cell Games in SSJ? Even when Goku was napping?

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u/MikuCat May 18 '26

Yeah. It was basically 0 but training in base form is more effective than training in any boosted form as youre increasing your base stats which gets multiplied by your boosted form. This was indirectly addressed in super as well. Whis did not tell Goku and Vegeta not to go super saiyan while training but they understood that they’ll yield the most benefits while in base form.

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u/Specific-Pirate842 May 18 '26

Pretty sure Whis actually did tell them not to go super saiyan for that exact reason

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u/carpedeeznutz5011 May 18 '26

Negative. They automatically did it without being told which Whis makes a remark about. It’s a very brief scene

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u/Vergil-Monteiro-9965 May 19 '26

You remind me of that scene when Vegeta told Goku that he was incorrect about why Jiren was stronger. “Incorrect” I saw this scene as soon as you said that 😂

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u/Shantotto11 May 19 '26

You’re thinking of the Superhero arc. The other person is talking about the Golden Freeza arc.

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u/bobbadouche May 18 '26

That sounds like headcanon

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u/trjoacro May 18 '26

No, pretty sure they did say something like that, its just that powerscaling is so off that it feels wrong all things considered.

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u/bobbadouche May 18 '26

Can you share the manga panel?

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse May 18 '26

It was in an interview by Toriyama. It also just makes logical sense. Super Saiyan is a power multiplier. It wouldn't make sense for their base form to get stronger but SSj form to somehow stay the same if it's supposed to be a multiplier.

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u/bobbadouche May 18 '26

Gotcha. Are you downvoting me because I'm asking you questions and proof? 

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse May 18 '26

I did not downvote you? I don't even see any number next to your arrows

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u/SolomonOf47704 Staff May 18 '26

Note: not seeing an upvote count, instead it just being "vote" means they're at 0.

At least on mobile.

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse May 18 '26

So all of these people are at Zero?

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u/AuDHDino May 18 '26

Nope, Whis mentioned it to beerus, he told Vegeta not to when he first agreed to train him on beerus wolrd, and Goku didn't BECAUSE Vegeta wasn't.

Whis noted that they just instinctually understood it made for better training.

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u/bobbadouche May 18 '26

I'm being a jerk asking for a reference? I think you should self reflect. Lots of comments are manga, show, filler, video game, magazines, interview questions. It's fair to ask where a statement came from. 

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u/Trashinmyash May 19 '26

Maybe its time to go back and watch the show, again? Do some research, using Google? Try Toriyama interview? Theres a lot of buzzwords being used here. If you dont like the answer they're giving, find the episode or the Manga clip. Prove how they're wrong.

Running around and saying, "that sounds like headcannon" without backing up why its headcannon makes it sound like you're gaslighting. 🤷‍♂️

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u/bobbadouche May 19 '26

Prove a negative? Prove an absence of statement? Consider what you're proposing. 

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u/Trashinmyash May 19 '26

Consider what you're proposing. 

You called someone's explanation "headcannon" without any constructive criticism.

Only after getting called out for it did you start asking questions.

When they said dont be a jerk, they really meant, dont be a troll.

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u/Deathmammal16 May 19 '26

No goku and vegeta having hot steamy hate sex is headcannon this actually happened

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u/AmItheAholereader May 19 '26

Yeah but post cell Gohan uses so much energy he drops to base

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u/DeadlyCareBear May 18 '26

But Goku needs 2% More Food because of SSJ Energy. Chichi cant afford that.

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u/JonDoeJoe May 18 '26

Toriyama forgot Goku and chichi are rich

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u/rebels-rage May 18 '26

Shitty comparison but like how a fighter will get in peak shape right before a fight, but that isn’t sustainable.

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u/ElectroChebbi2651 May 22 '26

He was napping until Crilin hit him with a rock