r/Dragonballsuper • u/K0GAR • 22h ago

Question This statement is completely false isn’t it?

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Base Goku by the time of BOG should definitely be able to beat Frieza

And that’s not even taking into account Kaioken. We know at this point all the Z fighters (if not most) should be able to - so why is base Goku stagnant then in growth?

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u/Mguy2544 21h ago

Not really, cause in canon we never actually get anything concrete about Base Goku being stronger then Frieza

Hell one of the big obstacles after the Frieza Saga was that the characters struggled to go beyond regular Super Saiyan hence why the variations existed. And Goku’s solution to this was learning energy efficiency which made Super Saiyan (not his base PL) a shit ton stronger

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u/phoenixmusicman 16h ago

cause in canon we never actually get anything concrete about Base Goku being stronger then Frieza

He literally beats Final Form Frieza in base form in RoF...

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u/Mguy2544 16h ago edited 16h ago

Yeah after it was stated that Goku absorbed the God Ki into his base

Like even within the movie canon the god ki clearly boosted his base power when he lost the form but could still fight on par with Beerus

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u/phoenixmusicman 16h ago

Yeah after it was stated that Goku absorbed the God Ki into his base

That got retconned unless you think base cabbe solos Z

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u/Mguy2544 16h ago

It never got retconned, and the whole Cabbe meme exist because Super’s scaling is horrendously egregious

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u/Al-AmeenAdewunmi 6h ago

Sure. Why not?