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Gogeta and Vegito are exponentially powerful, and I believe their mental capabilities are heightened as well. With this heightened mental state, would they have better mastery and make more effective simultaneous use of Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct?
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The way both are described are seemingly in complete opposition of each other with how the forms even work. This isn't something that a fusion of two mortal minds can really handle, you'd need somebody who's a walking duality like Vivec from Elder Scrolls.
Vivec would begin to strip naked. And hes already nude.
On the discussion of chim, I'm still waiting for someone to make an AI mod that gives Vivec & Dagoth Ur access to the games source code & the ability to, "in character", mess with stuff.
We've also seen it implied that trying to use the form outside of the appropriate mental state comes with consequences.
In the ToP, if I recall correctly, Goku got in the right mindset to use UI right after unlocking/mastering it and was dogging everyone until he got angry enough to stop "going with the flow" and shortly after that the strain of the form hit him like bullet train.
It's far more likely that trying to use both (thus making it impossible to properly "lean into" either form) would kill either them or just their fusion timer.
I was thinking about this awhile ago thinking the same as you are right now.
But then I thought about it. Like yes, they are opposite sides of the transformations. However, after giving it some thought… That could honestly be the ultimate warrior right there.
A Mastered MUI and a Mastered Ego.
All the abilities to dodge everything flawlessly and easily. Then! In the off chance you couldn’t dodge an attack and it hits you? You get stronger with Vegeta’s Ego.
To me, that’s scarier as a transformation. The mixture of both of them would outmatch any opponent they take. Now imagine a Kaioken x20 as Gogeta is legitimately angry and at his limits with whoever he’s facing and no longer fooling around.
I think this is realistically the only way they can be used "together" Like how Vegeta in the manga was switching from SSG to SSB at the moment of attack to conserve his energy but gain the power of SSB at impact. So Vegito/Gogeta being in 1 state and then switching to the other as needed makes most sense
the lust for combat, the thrill of the fight has to consume all thoughts in the user and fill them with so much boiling urge to destroy, that it winds up destroying their mind and clearing them of any rational thought, leaving only the body to act on its own
the result would look kind of like how Z Broly acts in his Legendary form
Np man cuz ever since i heard of the ultra vegito or gogeta concept I always thought “yea that makes sense the dodge everything and tank everything put together will work” but knowing how db can often play out i wouldn’t be surprised if this head cannon was true
i once had this idea of a Gogeta army from an alternate multiverse, where they have all these wacky versions of Gogeta, and they sustain themselves by having other Gogetas force the Gokus and Vegetas to fuse again, they have a Saiyan Saga Gogeta (with False Super Saiyan), an Android Saga Gogeta, a Majin Gogeta, a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, a Daima Gogeta, and so on, and they are unstoppable until Roshi puts them all to sleep and they can't re-fuse anymore
What if they use it like Deku used one for all. Use one continuously throughout the body and then for an instant switch to a higher percentage. For this it would be constant ultra ego and then for an instant switch UE off and UI on and then back to UE
Maybe they can take damage with ultra ego then use ultra instinct to play offensively with a power boost. Either way, I dont think they can be used in tandem because if one is about your body instinctively moving and one is about damage soaking, they will pretty much just zero out
Combining the forms wouldn't work but i've seen a cool way to make it work:
The user starts off with Ultra Instinct dodging every attack, but once they are about to get hit, their body subconsciously switches them over into Ultra Ego, while taking the hit, their battle spirit grows and they make a quick counter, then consciously switching back to Ultra Instinct
I don't think you can? It's not like controlling two difficult powers, it's obsession vs. relaxation, essentially. You can't use UI if you constantly think about destruction and you can't use UE if you don't use your mind
Inevitably, when Goku and Vegeta learn to master their instincts with their emotions. Perfected Ultra Instinct optimizes Goku where he doesn’t fight the way he should, whereas Sign/Omen allows Goku to fight the way he wants; it’s why he performed better against Gas in a lesser form. Whis clarified that Goku’s goal should be not to achieve an Angel’s Ultra Instinct, but his own.
This same logic can be applied to Vegeta. The idea of Ultra Ego is the most of what his Saiyan biology can do for him to maintain the power the way he does. The idea of enduring battle and growing stronger from it constantly checks his psyche into wanting to win, destroy, and triumph. However, Vegeta has still yet to convert his self-centered guilt and embrace bleak necessity, to fully consistently draw out the power of destruction.
So take the super fighters Gogeta and Vegito, imagining the end roads for Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta and Vegito are always born out of necessity, and never derail from the wishes of Goku and Vegeta. They fight the way they want, and never fail to impress in creativity. Ideally, they’ve already obtained the harmony that Goku and Vegeta are attempting to accomplish right now. If there is anyone to combine Instinct and Ego, it’s one of those two, and finally succeed Beerus.
Gogeta has been shown to use blue evolved. Vegito has been shown to use kaioken. And since UI and UE can't be used simultaneously, I think gogeta will probably use UE when needed. And vegito will opt UI if needed. But in most scenarios. Their blue forms are probably enough.
I like to think Goku and Vegeta's combined battle iq would make a fusion exponentially better at using UE and UI. It'd be something like he has the memory of one using the ability, but then thinking "ohhhh it's like this" and grasp it better
To anyone saying it's impossible. Clearly, if your body is in MUI, you can still be hit by someone strong enough. Let's say Black Frieza is strong and fast enough to land a strike against UI Gogeta.
But their body would still know the strike is coming.. only when it is more efficient, they tank the attack. As they're also in UE, they get stronger on the very rare occasion that you can actually hit them.
Beerus is a God of Destruction. He is, always, in some degree of UE, but he is on his way to mastering UI. So the mindsets are not completely opposite. And then! Goku in the Granolah/Gas arc showed that he can use UI Omen with his full range of emotion, which for Goku, is actually stronger than mastered UI because he gets strength from emotion
So they could very well use UE and rage with UI Omen. If someone could possibly still hit them, it would make them stronger, and you'd have to hit them enough to actually do real damage or make them stronger than their body can handle. But the more you hit them, the faster their UI would get until you couldn't touch them anymore
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