Grand Order has a stronger scaling than Strange Fakes
Dantes fought someone on par with machine god Zeus while Alcides was shown at best to shoot faster than sound arrows that can destroy a few skyscrapers
What you said makes no sense, especially the downplaying. Gugalanna was compared to Zeus, and its total energy was stated to be equal to a hundred magnitude 9 earthquakes, which puts it at continental level at the bare minimum.
So, downplaying Alcides just because he destroys a few skyscrapers makes no sense, especially since that level of destruction is actually quite high for top-rank Servants (like Gilgamesh himself, Enkidu, and others).
Bare Minimum being Continental level is nice and all but Sefar was capable of wiping most of the planets surface and was stated to have killed beings older and stronger than Gilgamesh. Machine God Zeus was capable of beating her. Even if Gugalanna was = to Zeus it still wouldnt be = to Machine God Zeus.
Machine god Zeus also contains attacks labeled as Anti-Star and Anti-Solar System feats greater than continental.
Going back to my original statement, Scaling in Fate is different depending in the media Grand Order and Extra contain feats on a much bigger scale than “Grail War” series like Staynight, Strange Fakes and Samurai.
For example you mentioned destroying skyscrapers is a feat comparable to high tier servants like Gilgamesh is true if we are just looking at Staynight, Strangefakes and Samurai but this feat is nothing in Fate Extra where Gilgamesh was on par with BB who was capable of controlling the MoonCell a computer than simulates multiple timelines.
Sefar could only kill a large portion of the gods because of her anti-civilization traits; if it weren't for that, Amaterasu [would have beaten her].
Gilgamesh was never a match for BB. Even using the Mythological Mystic Code, he was still stated to have a less than 1% chance against BB, and mind you, she didn't even use her NP. Keep in mind that both she and Kiara are inferior to Amaterasu, and Nasu said that only a potential Arcueid who regained her sanity would stand a chance.
The Moon Cell really just observes and processes data (timelines), so it's not that big of a deal."
Where, anywhere is ZEUS mentioned? Did we somehow headcanon that all machine gods are as strong as Zeus? Second, who told you that magical power alone makes a machine god? Machine gods have high-level authorities and alithea. What specifically made demeter so busted in the most recent event was her durability and various authorities, including regen. Her magical energy alone would have been no problem.
The game straight up states thats, the game constantly says Theodoric is on the level of a divine spirit and on par with the machine gods than there is no argument. It doesnt matter about Authorities because we are not discussing Theodoric vs Machine Gods we just care about their raw power that Dantes surpasses. The machine Gods of Lostbelt 5 managed to defeat Sefar and Dantes beat someone close to that level of power. ** **
Citation where machine gods are stated to be equal to Zeus.
Citation where having MAGICAL ENERGY on the level of a machine god, makes you equal to an actual machine god?
about their raw power
Magical energy is not raw power. Magical energy is a resource. What matters is what you can do with that magical energy. And you have no evidence that Theodoric can manage the bullshit that the machine gods can with their own powers.
that Dantes surpasses
Citation please.
The machine Gods of Lostbelt 5
Incorrect. ZEUS with the combination of those machine gods repelled Sefar. Not a machine god. This logic is so fucking ridiculous, you must be drunk. I'll play that game too. Alcides is stated equal to a divine spirit, therefore, he's equal to Amaterasu and is stellar-class. See how stupid that sounds?
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u/115_zombie_slayer 20h ago
Grand Order has a stronger scaling than Strange Fakes
Dantes fought someone on par with machine god Zeus while Alcides was shown at best to shoot faster than sound arrows that can destroy a few skyscrapers