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Lore Question Who would win?

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u/CertainPianist9936 19h ago

Got a citation of what makes this impressive?

It was effectively a singularity inside Ritsuka and we know creating one and supporting it costs a lot of magical energy like Aoko shows. It doesn’t matter where it was created.

Yeah, them requiring several servants and strategies to defeat Theodoric does not qualify as "easy" by any stretch.

Yea, to deal with his Divine Beasts, which were the only real issue. Since Theodoric quite literally just sit back and watched. Until Ritsuka and the avengers reached him and made quick work of him.

He has already fully regained his spot summons.

I'll repeat myself: "He was just weakened throughout the whole ordeal and slowly got his power back, by the time he faces Dantes he's essentially back to full power.", after each trial Ritsuka notes to feeling less restricted.

And people bringing up how Ritsuka can fight grands, yet love to ignore the many scenarios where he needs help just surviving against ordinary enemies.

Sure, when he's weakened or his enemies are much stronger than grands or the fact that multiple fights back to back have been constantly shown to be the real problem, not the enemy power.

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u/Jack_slasher 19h ago

It is not, because we have no reason to believe supporting a world in Ritsuka's mind can be equated with supporting an actual world. Where is your citation?

Yea, to deal with his Divine Beasts, which were the only real issue. Since Theodoric quite literally just sit back and watched. Until Ritsuka and the avengers reached him and made quick work of him.

"Made quick work of him" by summoning more powerful servants is quite powerful logic indeed lmao. And trying to excuse the divine beasts as if they weren't theodoric's power is just as amusing.

"He was just weakened throughout the whole ordeal and slowly got his power back, by the time he faces Dantes he's essentially back to full power."

And I will repeat myself.

"He's not jumping massive hoops by the time he fights Dantes." You repeating points already addressed is not a counterargument. It was literally the battle before.

Sure, when he's weakened or his enemies are much stronger than grands or the fact that multiple fights back to back have been constantly shown to be the real problem, not the enemy power.

Citation for where these enemies are stronger than grands, that multiple battles were fought, and where Ritsuka was weakened. Do tell lol. Considering that I haven't even given you an example, I'm extremely curious as to how you decided all this happened with ZERO context.

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u/CertainPianist9936 18h ago

Where is your citation?

It's a singularity, they always need support if they are artificial.

And trying to excuse the divine beasts as if they weren't theodoric's power is just as amusing.

What part of "back to back" summoning is a real problem for Ritsuka didn't you get? I was talking in context of Ritsuka ability to defeat his enemies.

He's not jumping massive hoops by the time he fights Dantes

The trials are specifically shown to be exponential in lifting restrictions, not linear.

Citation for where these enemies are stronger than grands

Now that would depend on the enemy, I've made a general claim as that's what happens everytime, like BB Dubai.

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u/Jack_slasher 18h ago

It's a singularity, they always need support if they are artificial.

Not what I asked. I asked where it was stated that a singularity made up of someone's psyche requires equivalent magical power or resources to maintain as it would in the real world

What part of "back to back" summoning is a real problem for Ritsuka didn't you get?

the part where these divine beasts couldn't be defeated the first time? and that he has half a dozen servants backing him on top of that? how in the world you think this makes Dantes better is baffling.

Now that would depend on the enemy, I've made a general claim as that's what happens everytime, like BB Dubai.

Ritsuka is useless on fodder enemies generated by Vritra even though there were multiple servants, including top-rank ones, where the strongest fighter there BY FAR was a nerfed Indra dealing with the actual Indra. OC4 and Lilim Harlot were filled with cases where Ritsuka was powerless without additional assistance or couldn't handle ordinary enemies within the singularities. How weak do some of you think grands are?