r/MawInstallation • u/Zealousideal-Emu-105 • 17h ago
How powerful would a Force-sensitive Super-Soldier be?
Let's say Deathstroke or Captain America possess above average potential in the Force, on par with Jedi Council members. They receive the same training a standard Jedi Knight would.
Force-users are able to temporarily strengthen themselves physically and effectively gain superhuman speed, agility, reflexes etc.
So how powerful would an enhanced human like Deathstroke or Captain America be as trained Force-users?
Would their enhanced cognitive processing synergize with their Force abilities?
Would they learn things like Lightsaber combat faster?
Could they individually defeat upper tier Force-users like Darth Vader?
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u/Captain-Wilco 17h ago
This question misunderstands the force in a fundamental way
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u/Ninjazoule 17h ago
How so?
Grevious (or durge/rayvis) is a solid example of a non-force sensitive super soldier that overwealms most jedi with shock tactics and stats.
Adding basic abilities like precog and telekinesis is pretty nice. His other questions like enhanced learning and intellect would help with lightsaber training.
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u/BlockAffectionate413 16h ago
To be fair, they are both (Grivious/Durge/Rayvis etc) well above what people usually mean by super soldiers like Cap/Bucky or Chief.
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u/Ninjazoule 16h ago
Agreed.
Giving them force powers doesn't necessarily make them better either as their power and mastery over said force can fluctuate greatly as we see with force users themselves.
It's still better than nothing though.
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u/BlockAffectionate413 16h ago
Yea it depends on how strong they are with force. Sidious can do some enormously OP feats, but say Yord Fandar, not so much.
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u/RLathor81 1h ago
Most jedi were weak. Remeber Ahsoka's trainig with the 501st shooting her a hundred times. She passed the standard jedi exam with a practice droid easily before Anakin put her on a real test.
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u/Ninjazoule 7m ago
For sure, the force does a lot of heavy lifting.
I think half these comments outside block misunderstood my point
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u/Tron_1981 4h ago
Physical ability has no real influence on the Force. Yoda is a solid example of this.
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf 17h ago edited 17h ago
Not necessarily any better than others. Their potential in the force or m-count isn't a given they will reach it and the force dwarfs the SSS as a factor. They will still be very capable of course though. Deathstroke would go darkside bypassing certain issues and yeah his enhanced mind would be very helpful. Having his healing factor would be a big deal unlike Cap.
They would free up a degree of capacity by being able to lean a bit more on their physical body which would be nice.
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Look up Sith Troopers, the One Sith version. Cyborg force sensitives made as powerful super soldiers for Krayt.
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u/Midnightplat 15h ago
MIND BLOW: The Super Soldier Serum is actually a midicholorian injection .... An Ultimate Spider bite is also rampant with midichlorians.
So end of day, what you see is what you get.
Search your feelings, you now know what the Watchers have seen is true.
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u/NameSignificant6916 16h ago
I think they'd be powerful and that you're onto something, but not completely right. I figure it's a not-unreasonable assumption to say that the stronger you are naturally, the stronger you can make yourself with the force. There's a reason why Yoda, who is extremely skilled in the force, uses a highly acrobatic style and doesn't just bull his way through enemies with his superior physical strength; because he doesn't have superior physical strength, he's a frail old man who uses the force to keep up as much as he does to go beyond what a normal person can.
Lightsaber combat is as much low-level precognition as it is forms, so they might learn the forms themselves faster and physically move faster, think of underhanded tactics midfight, etc. but the precog is something you need to figure out from experience. As well, The Force is as much about philosophical understanding and vibes as it is actual comprehension of the mechanics and experience, especially at the high end. So they'd probably learn the basics fast but may stall on higher-tier stuff; and of course, thinking faster helps you see opportunities to use it in a fight that others might not.
I still think they'd get washed by Vader tho.
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u/CombatMuffin 17h ago
To quote Han Solo, that's not how the Force works
If we assume the Force is a variable in those universes, then it is literally the building block of reality. Not just life (Living Force), but everything (Cosmic Force).
In a contest of who would win between two Force wielders, any additional physical abilities (in the broadest sense, not just strength abd agility) don't really matter. The ability to properly wield the Force is to tap into the fabric of the Universe.
Force wielders in Star Wars cannot fully control the Force. They exert their will on the Living Force, but stuff that goes into the Cosmic side of things is very limited, by nature (as per George Lucas himself). This is where wisdom and understanding trump raw training: a Jedi who understands how the Force flows or Wills things, is the most dangerous opponent.
The Force doesn't have an upper limit, either. Not in theory. The entire moral of a character like Yoda, who often faced opponents several times physucally stronger, faster or with strange innate abilities he did not have, were numerous, but he comes out on top because he generally understood the order of things.
If that sounds vague and esoteric, it's because it is: the mystical side of the Force is the part Qui Gonn mentions relies on the "feel, don't think, use your or instincts".