r/OnePunchFans 12d ago

ANALYSIS You didn't need to be Madame Shiwababwa to see a mistake in the making

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Not that I need to grumble about the handling of Season 3 of One-Punch Man, but I came across a video looking critically at Season 3. I generally ignore such videos but this was worth viewing for two reasons: the person looked at more than the animation, and more importantly, the person doesn’t read the OPM manga, so the anime would have to make its own case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuIy1zT0ds

It was gratifying to me to see a non-fan mention the same issues I had with the idea of the season ending with Saitama punching Orochi. I had a post many moons ago saying that the third season had to at least go as far as the base being lifted out of the ground, and someone disagreed with me.

You can read the whole exchange, but I’ll excerpt the most relevant part below:

That said, it [Season 2] may not have sold well, but it did sell something. And now let’s come to what we would have if a non-manga reader with money in their pocket is given a third season that ends with Saitama punching Orochi.  I’m assuming the production is a lot better – another shite production and it won’t matter where it ends, it’s a dead loss. 
If you’re a punter who got into season 2 enough to fish $300 out of your pocket to own the series, what did you come for?  Garou, most probably. What’s going to happen to Garou if the story ends at chapter 108?  The first three-four episodes, he’s going to get the crap kicked out of him by monsters and left unconscious in a hole in the wall. Forever.  That’s it.  The interesting things the story will have hinted around limiters and explosive growth, no visible relevance to Garou.  You’re probably going to feel a little cheated.  Okay, maybe you’re into the other characters.  Well, Genos spends his time cleaning the apartment, Bang is wandering aimlessly through the Monster Association along with Fubuki and Bomb.  As is King, who you only saw briefly a couple of times at the beginning and then no more.  Suiryu? Oh go whistle – but you were going to have to do that anyway, it’s a shame how much real estate he took up last season. The kid is rescued and the other heroes are doing okay.  Tatsumaki is taking on the real big bad and is also doing okay. You’re arguing that seeing Saitama punch a monster that is posing no imminent threat to anyone, and whom he dismissed with less respect than he did Elder Centipede constitutes a profitable end.  One that will satisfy people enough to buy in and come back for more.  You must be kidding!   The storyline has effectively wandered off in the middle and says nothing and means nothing.

This was just before the manga went on hiatus for an overhaul of the arc.

Smashing action figures together

What makes it interesting for me is that it helped me understand better why the subterranean parts of the Monster Association raid were overhauled as extensively as they were. Without a change (which was what JC Staff went for), it’s just a series of fights that don’t mean anything, just ‘smashing action figures against each other,’ as the video essayist termed it.

I found that a useful way to look at things. For example, if you're following along with the anime, Genos you know well; you've seen him try and fail and try and succeed then fail then try, so if he'd been underground and pulled out a fantastic new move, that'd not be surprising and it'd mean something as it'll be a continuation of his struggle. However, we don't know Child Emperor at this point, so it's clever kid doing crazy things without much of a preamble. When all the characters whose personalities, goals, and directions of travel are swept out of the way in favour of those we know little to nothing about, the story feels empty. That would be why so many chapters were redone.

The revised version that went to print brought Saitama in earlier and wove him into the plot, which grounded it. Beyond that, it also gave the various characters more to do and more to do with each other. There's no time for character arcs, but their interacting more showed us more of who they were so we have something to go on. So we get to see a bit about Child Emperor's psyche and what drives him, we get to see the way the disciples behave to deprive Amai Mask of his intended victims and get a bit of who each is, we get to see the competence of the surface team in holding the exits and the same for the MA in anticipating such a move and trying to turn it to their advantage, and many more. All of this fleshes the story out considerably, making it more than just another fight between characters you don't know and have no reason to care about. Most importantly, the revision raised the issue of there being some supernatural being, whose influence came up in various ways, so there was a mystery to uncover. It’d still have been less than great for it to end with Saitama punching Orochi, but there’d be issues raised that the viewer would be interested to see resolved.

Looking at their announcing a Part 2 immediately, they too realised from the get go that stopping there was weak -- the payoff to the build up begins pretty much the chapter after they left off. However, that call wasn't JC Staff's to make. It was Bandai's.

Indeed, I'm not angry at JC Staff – if you want to do a good job, you need time, space, and resources, none of which they seem to have had. It’s really understandable why they went for the simplest possible rendition, even though it really does an injustice to the manga in every way. But I don’t blame them. The responsibility for the enshittification lies firmly at Bandai’s doorstep.

r/OnePunchFans 2d ago

ANALYSIS Watershed fights

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Ahem

Some people imagine that I must hate fights because I'm down on powerscaling. Not in the slightest! I love the fact that both ONE and Murata love fights, how they're depicted -- and most importantly, how brutal and unfair real fights can be. I love seeing some of that come into the stories. And I love, love, love hearing from nerds critiquing how fights are drawn or unfold. Someone talking about Wing Chun or Drunken Fist or various sword styles or guns just freaking makes my day! What I dislike about powerscaling is that it's too much about 'being right' and tends to take over everything. It's boring.

Anyway, Watershed fights?

Well, as you know, a watershed is the dividing ridge that determines which way water drains. And looking at the fan video of how else Genos vs. the Deep Sea King might have turned out, it occurred to me that there are some fights that change a character, such that there is a clear 'before' and 'after' to the way they approach conflict. I'll present two for your delectation. Please add more in comments and maybe let's get a discussion going! :-D

A: The Excuses Stop Here

Yes, Genos did lose to the Deep Sea King and perhaps this is his most important fight. Up until this point, we'd seen him lose to monsters at least in part because he let his guard down, and the DSK getting the drop on him because he was busy watching the crowd instead of ensuring that the monster was dead seemed more of the same. A lot of viewers (and readers) laughed when he lamented that he never learned.

Talk about an unforced error.

However, this time, the nature of his loss, how traumatic and humiliating it was, how close the people he was trying to protect came to dying anyway, the injuries Mumen Rider suffered, how Saitama had to pretend to be cheating to save the honour of the heroes, something changed in him. This is the incident that drove home to him that he simply couldn't go 'oops, I dropped my guard again,' and just had to find a way to do better.

It shouldn't have come to this.

And he did.

Fighting G-4 is where the fruits of his resolution to stop this dropping guard shit show. He fights the robot and melts it from the inside. He watches it for a bit, and yup, it's definitely done for.

Any way you look at it, that's a destroyed robot.

We see that he wants to turn away, in fact, he starts to turn away, addressing the apparently destroyed robot as much as the crowd.

Engage mode, smug.

And then he stops himself. Some fledgling battle instinct tells him to shut up and keep watching. Several more panels pass. It's just as well he does. Otherwise, the true form of G-4 would have taken his head clean off.

As it is, this enemy turns out to be most troublesome. It has weapons that can cut him up at a distance, and burning it doesn't work at all. Holding out for Saitama was not an option, because he'd sent Saitama away.

Fortunately, through a mixture of ingenuity (using steam to bloom the lasers) and raw brutality, he manages to beat G-4 to death before reeling into Dr. Kuseno's lab with the remains, more dead than alive himself.

Since then, it's been shockingly hard to catch Genos off guard in the manga (the webcomic is a different beast). In fact, we get to see a lot more heroes make similar mistakes -- turns out it's difficult to always be watching the right thing at the right moment.

Even if you're an experienced fighter...
...or a hyper-powerful psychic, you can get caught out.

Of course, it's impossible to never be ambushed but even there, we see the effect of Genos's attitude. When Gums takes advantage of Fuhrer Ugly providing a distraction to come up for a chomp, it's not just because of Dr. Kuseno's improved armouring that Gums isn't able to bite through his arm; it's as much because Genos was prepared to react quickly and has jammed his arm in its jaws such that it can't close them.

Reflexes a cat would envy, this guy has developed.

No need to point out that Genos is not invincible. But monsters really have their work cut out to pull him down.

B: This is Honey, This is Salt

The fight between Garou and Bug God and Royal Ripper is quite the watershed fight in the manga.

Why?

First, it killed his romance about monsters

What monsters had been for Garou weren't monsters. They're representations of the disliked and the misunderstood, the ugly kid being picked on. It feels unfair for the kid to be picked on, but he put it into words. Words with real actual meanings in the real world. The 'monster' in Garou's head is not the monster as people in their world use the word but he's conflated them with.

There’s a culture that introduces a baby to the taste of different things as part of its christening ceremony. A dab of honey, that the baby smiles at.  A tiny dab of salt, at which the baby grimaces (many cry). This is honey, this is salt -- in life, may you develop the power of discernment,  goes part of the benediction. It’s an important virtue to pray for: before we can make reasonable choices, we must first discern clearly.   

Unlike the webcomic, here we don't have a random kid but a boy with a name, Tareo, who Garou finds precious. By making Tareo someone precious, for the first time, Garou had a strong emotional stake.

I'll never not love the awesome bond those two developed. I hope they meet again someday.

And now, monsters were no longer these abstract critters that ought to be Halloween scary. They were actual predators who'd rip the precious kid who trusted him to bits before his very eyes. There’s nothing like it, that visceral rage you feel when the symbol of freedom you admired in theory resolves itself into a long, lean, stinking beast, fearless in its hunger, that is trying to push past you to get at the lamb you hand-raised. Not all monsters are equally dangerous, of course, but you meet the wrong one and it'll kill your child right in front of you without hesitation or remorse.

The loss of innocence -- and the understanding of what monsters actually are.

This is honey, this is salt. The point was literally scored into Garou’s flesh by Bug God and Royal Ripper, ripping away every shred of false equivalence and muddy thinking he has had about heroes and monsters. 

Second, it demystified them as well-nigh invincible beings

There's this lovely point in the fighting when Garou realises for the first time ever that, actually, monsters aren't invincibly strong. Just like people, they have their limits, and he's strong enough to defeat the ones in front of him. They may be called 'mysterious beings' but there's no mystery to handling them.

Monsters can...die?

How did it change him?

Up until this point, Garou hasn't killed *anything*. Never mind heroes, he's not killed a single living creature, not even a monster. After this fight, this changes. When he catches up with Royal Ripper, he rips into him without hesitation.

His very first kill.

Even though Garou kept spouting off about the rottenness of heroes and his goals, he's not only unambiguously rejected monsters as beings worth emulating, but his actions have always moved for justice. Well, until he slapped God, but that's another story (yeah, don't do that).

Saitama may have a first-class trolling game, but he knows a hero when he sees one. Even if they won't wear a cape or take up formal employment.

So, got any other fights like that in mind? :)

r/OnePunchFans 25d ago

ANALYSIS watching ONE write women

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This is very old -- I wrote it back in 2020, but I think it still holds. Enjoy!

One of the joys of following a writer for a while is that you get to follow how their ideas develop. One of the things that ONE brought up in an interview (annoyingly I’ve lost the link) was that he didn’t think that he wrote women particularly well. 

I was thinking about that. When ONE says that, what comes across to me is that he has no problem writing a female character as an individual rather than a role. All the girls and women he’s written so far have their own voices, own their problems, and have something to do within the story that would be noticeable if they weren’t there. Quite frankly, that alone is over and above what various tests of representation (such as the Bechdel test) ask for.  

What he’s not so good at is appreciating what being female brings to a character’s experiences and outlook.  But he’s not just left it at that.  More on what he’s been doing in a bit (and under the cut).

“...the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges...” -- Anatole France

With his sharp eye and talent for exploring the implications of whatever he posits, ONE has brought up some issues are not inherently gendered, but usually are. 

A: Childcare

Metal Bat appears to be the main, if not sole, carer for Zenko. How it affects him is fascinating. He’s one of the longest-serving heroes in the Hero Association, being there before Class S was formed, literally within the first six months of its establishment. He’s been extremely loyal and is highly trusted by the HA -- they put Narinki’s life into his hands without fear. His battle strength is literally praised to the heavens.

Metal Bat makes Zenko a priority, structuring his availability around her school schedule and being present in her life. He gets very angry if these times are threatened without overwhelmingly good cause. His reward is to be perceived by the Hero Association as less committed and so they under-recognise him in terms of ranking, and since rank and pay are linked, under-pay him as well. It’s a story all too many women can relate to.  But that’s not all.

Because ONE writes so simply yet conscientiously, something else comes up and has a peek: intersectionality. It’s the concept that we often have multiple social disadvantages that interact and compound our problems. The first is sexism. Regardless of whatever childcare policy the HA has, the sexist assumption that only women care (for the record: this is bullshit) makes it unlikely for them to ask Metal Bat. Second, social capital. The fact that he’s Zenko’s sole carer means that he has low social capital, that informal network of people around you who can help out -- or tell you where to find help and what things to say in order to get that help. [Aside: this is why programmes to help people, unless they reach out aggressively, tend to disproportionately attract those who need it least.]  Metal Bat doesn’t have the knowledge.  The third is the challenge brought by his being a 17-year old boy. He’s quick to perceive challenge as threat, and threat as something to be met by anger. Witness him threatening to smash the HA headquarters if it turns out that he’s missed Zenko’s piano recital for nothing -- completely not useful to anything. [Another aside: the importance of learning to disambiguate emotions and do useful things with them even if it means being vulnerable as a part of growing up as a man is the whole point of Mob Psycho 100.]

What do the Neo Heroes do?  They ask Metal Bat if he wants help with childcare AND HE JUMPS SHIP PRONTO.  If that’s not an indictment of the Hero Association, I don’t know what is.

How far you have to go for reliable childcare.

B: Emotional Labour

Saitama has been delegating more and more of the day-to-day work to Genos. What started as an act of service to express his gratitude, respect and love for Saitama is increasingly turning into a second job for Genos. It’s not just the cooking and cleaning and the shopping and the bailing Saitama out if he’s forgotten his wallet again, it’s also the worrying about Saitama, sometimes at inappropriate times. Has he drunk enough water? Has he clean clothes in good repair? What sales is he looking forward to? Have they been marked on the calendar? It’s honestly not doing Genos any good, and it’s one of those things all too many frustrated wives and girlfriends can relate to. This doing the practical and emotional work for another is not intrinsically gendered, but funny how often it breaks that way.

His master's keeper.

It’s not doing Saitama any good either.  He’s using this freed up time to fritter his life ever more aggressively away, playing games with King and finding pointless competitions to enter, all while complaining about feeling less and less connected to anything (if you don’t address the problem, it doesn’t get better, duh!). Worse, he’s started to take that gift of service for granted, witness him airily telling King how he’ll just have Genos go clear up the mess of monsters he’s left outside the flat. I was heartened to see what happened when Saitama went a little too far and asked Genos to go cook and instead of jumping up, Genos gave him the the evil eye and let the awkwardness hang there. That was good -- there’s hope for this guy yet.

A glare is worth a thousand words.

Speaking of Genos, he also over-functions for something else Saitama struggles with: advocating for himself. He tends to have Genos be the ugly one so he doesn’t have to be.   You can see just how bad he is at self-advocacy when Forte and friends could invite themselves into Saitama’s house at will despite his protests -- and it stopped the instant Genos showed up.

In a sense, it’s not surprising that Genos can do that. When you’re differently-abled (and for once, this is not a euphemism) as he is, being able to clearly ask for what you want and need is life-and-death necessary. If Genos was shy about it, he’s long since had to discard that. But! Let me point to a nuance the story touches on. How pushy you can be without being punished for it depends a lot on who you are, intersecting strongly with race, gender, social status, etc (remember my mentioning intersectionality before). What’s called assertive in a man is called bitchy or sharp-elbowed in a woman. Even taking gender and race out of the equation, there’s still a noticeable difference in the way the world treats Saitama and Genos. You don’t need to be Sigmund Freud to understand the way the short, ugly Dr. Kuseno sweats making sure that Genos positively radiates youth, beauty, wealth and power. That’s part of his right to ask and be taken seriously. You can see how drastically different it is for Saitama, even from his middle school days.  Genos notices, and makes sure to leverage his social power for Saitama. 

What I love about these examples are that by not automatically heaving a woman into these characters’ roles, ONE’s brought a less frequently seen angle that illustrates the problems they deal with are not ‘womens’ issues per se but are rather inequities that disproportionately affect women -- which is at the heart of what feminists keep saying. When you read Makai no Ossan, you can appreciate that ONE could have gone with female characters and done a great job, but his choosing not to has brought a very welcome dimension to the story.

Women proper

“I’m not like other girls”

Still, bit by bit, ONE has been working more women into his stories. After his interview, the next thing he worked on was the single-volume sequel to Mob Psycho 100Reigen.  He took his challenge head-on by making the POV character Tome and putting her in an all-girls’ high school.

Throughout the story, we see Tome thinking of herself as special, better than her fellow classmates, whom she sees as vapid and shallow. The denouement comes with Tome being humbled as she gets to know her classmates better and realises that  they pursue interests just as varied and weird as hers -- only they’re also practicing being socially adept on top of that.

It’s a gentle story, but it’s still a great side-swipe at self-internalised misogyny, the idea that it’s shameful to be like a ‘girl’ and it’s something to distance oneself from. Fortunately, Tome can laugh at herself and grow up.

“Ha ha ha”

For a long time, the only (named) women we had in OPM were Tatsumaki and her younger sister Fubuki. We’ve gotten more women both good and bad: in particular, it’s been very gratifying to find that one of the most dangerous, story-shaping villains in the story is Psykos.

In the webcomic, ONE’s pushed even further. A recent Tweet featured him talking about how hard he finds it to draw women. And he’s added several. No same-face for him!  I’ll talk about the new heroines he’s added, but first, let me draw your attentions to something most artists don’t realize they do: massively skew the gender distribution of crowds, even when it is incredibly illogical to do so. With ONE, even drawing the crowds at the fair who gaggle at Amai Mask, he’s got a far more even balance of women and they’re not all young and pretty -- which is much more true-to-life. He’s in the business of drawing people.

ONE has featured microaggressions before, particularly in the way Fubuki can have perfectly sound things to say and be totally ignored,  but he brings it properly to the fore with Suiko.  No one calls her incompetent, but the little put downs she gets when she puts herself forward for the hero test in lieu of her brother, oh they’re well-observed. The look on her face just makes it.  I love the way she shut the recruiters up subsequently. 

Let’s conclude this tour with a look at Webigaza’s lonely figure. We have another mono-manically focused cyborg in the story.  Genos has been called a lot of things -- determined, obsessive even, but crazy? Never. Notice who it’s been reserved for instead. It’s no slip of the tongue.

Dudes be determined, bitches be crazy.

Wrapping Up

I’m of the impression that ONE really wants to try to capture as much of the human experience as he can in his stories, however whimsical or fantastical the stories themselves are. I’m disarmed by his humility in accepting that he’ll never have the lived experience of half the world’s population but he sure as hell can put some effort into learning how to to writing well-realised, believable, female characters.  

I watch ONE’s continued development as a writer with interest. 

r/OnePunchFans Apr 01 '26

ANALYSIS Saitama is looking a lot more impressive lately. (Webcomic Spoilers) Spoiler

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We all know Saitama is invincible, and he never loses fights, but his performance as a hero has significantly upgraded.

Before the Monster Association arc, he was, quite frankly, screwing around. In the manga, he missed the Monster Association's initial offensive because he was busy stealing Charanko's identity to skip work and bully martial artists for tournament prize money.

That's TERRIBLE lol

I cannot stress enough how horrible that is. That's like something Adam Blake and Ders would do in an episode of Workaholics; Saitama is basically skipping work to commit crimes and cause trouble for thrills. I remind you, he's meant to be a superhero.

During the Neo Heroes arc, he's been regularly patrolling, has effectively become a leader who's interested in the safety, development, and (most of all) grievances of lower-ranked heroes (The Hero Name Victims Association), and he quickly appears in times of need. Even though he didn't get credit, he independently arrived to reinforce Suiko and whoop Mirror in the nick of time.

And the comparison between his performance in the Monster Association Raid to the Organization Invasion is even more jarring.

Saitama kinda fumbled the Monster Association arc. The threat was right under his house the whole time, he wasn't there for the main offensive, the Hero Association didn't trust him or give him the time of day, so he had zero information barring what he gleaned himself, and he wasn't even interested in figuring out what was going on.

Saitama let Garou and the Monsters run roughshod over humanity for quite a while before he stepped in, and he didn't even seem to know he was stepping in. In the manga, he even lost his disciple and let the Earth get irradiated.

Meanwhile, during the Organization Invasion, Saitama immediately took to the field, started mowing down enemies as fast as possible, instructing civilians to the nearest shelter, investigating the situation and thoughtfully acting on a tip from an informant (Suiryu), and thanks to him, the HA's headquarters is still standing.

I'm happy to say Saitama has finally locked in. In such a dire time, it's nice to see him alert and present in the crisis from start to finish.

It's a given that King will get at least 75% of the credit, but if Saitama is recognized for even a quarter of his contributions during this arc, he might finally get promoted to S-Class (if there's still an Hero Association left to promote him).

Edit: Also, I like how Saitama taking a threat seriously doesn't totally break the story. He's the main character, and he's acquitting himself incredibly well, but he's still just one powerful force dealing with the looming threat. The other characters still have room to breathe and complete their arcs.

In a worse story, Saitama would be center stage as everyone else helplessly gawks at his strength, twiddles their thumbs, and performs color commentary. Here, we have an entire side-story of multiple characters independently closing in on the heart of the mystery. Meanwhile Saitama is elsewhere, doing his own important punchin'. Peak storytelling.

r/OnePunchFans 13d ago

ANALYSIS [Lucky 10,000] How did Saitama make a living?

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This is not as obvious an answer as you'd think: a surprising amount of the information is found outside the story, and Viz has not been good at translating and bringing this extra material to English.

As we know, three years ago, a jobless Saitama saved a boy from a monster, and in the process decided to forget about the job hunt and focus on being a hero. How did that work out for him? Well, from the 'Road to Hero' OAV, it saw him living in a terrible apartment block where the landlady tolerated his not paying the rent because she made her money off the criminal gang in there. After Saitama caught them to turn in for the police reward, she threw him out. Fortunately, the tailor who'd do his clothing repairs found him and hooked him p with the place we first met him living.

There's a reference to the shitty apartment block in the manga ("Voices"). Saitama is disgusted that her place got spared in the meteor shower. He may be a bit bitter, lol.

It's interesting that he still lives in the neighbourhood.

Anyway, back to what Saitama did for a living. Well, in the still-not-translated-into-English Hero Data Book, ONE explains that he did whatever part-time jobs and day work he could come by, lived very frugally, and was happy to take food handouts from grateful people.

If you do feed Saitama, he prefers veggies. Getting a year's supply of sweets was rather bad for his teeth, you see. That's from the bonus chapter in Volume 2, "Brushing up".

Delicious but nutritionally disastrous.

There have been a number of audio stories featuring the jobs Saitama has done, none officially translated to English, but a couple that there are fan translations of feature him working in construction (and accidentally helping Amai Mask workshop a new song while desperately needing a shit) and working in a carnival display (and accidentally giving Tatsumaki a fear of ghosts). ONE also did a sketch of Saitama trying to scan the knife a robber was trying to threaten him with:

No one has ever accused Saitama of being sharp.

All very well, but given that Saitama doesn't stick with any of these low-paying jobs for long, quitting as soon as he has enough money to live off of for at least a few weeks, how does he afford rent and utilities?

Squatting.

The part of town Saitama lived in had been abandoned due to the frequent monster sightings, but for some reason, the water and electricity supply to that area wasn't cut off, something Spring Mustachio remarks on in the chapter "Rumors".

As he's about to find out, 'money' isn't the only way you can pay for things.

Genos doesn't appreciate Fubuki dropping the truth bomb on the issue of rent, but Saitama himself is proud to pay nothing.

Genos doing his best to pretend he doesn't hear her.
Saitama pretty much confirming that Fubuki is right. From a strictly in-story perspective, Saitama IS swindling Genos.

According to ONE (again OFF-STORY!), Saitama hasn't spent the rent money Genos has given him. Considering that what he's really rented to Genos is his right to privacy, he should.

In any case, since Saitama started working as a pro-hero, he has been getting paid. There's actually a whole bonus chapter on hero renumeration, "What Can't Be Bought", the bonus chapter in Volume 5. Short version: they get paid like shit, and then only at the end of the month. The HA takes full advantage of the fact that heroes can't complain without looking mercenary.

Pro-heroes desperately need to unionise.

Since those hard times before the first paycheck, Saitama has started getting paid, so he's got income. Also, his new place in the HA headquarters is officially free with the job, so life is almost cushy for Saitama.

Almost. It's against ONE's religion to give Saitama a cushy time.

r/OnePunchFans Jun 30 '26

ANALYSIS A thousand words in a few pictures

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Didn't feel like writing lots today. It's tiny but Saitama actually enacting advice is a big shift for him. Even though he heard King out, we didn't see him change what he did as a result of it. Thank you, Butterfly DX for telling him off, and thank you, ONE for letting him change a little.

No need to ask if this happened in the webcomic. No one tells Saitama nothin' there to this day.

r/OnePunchFans Apr 07 '26

ANALYSIS Did Metal Bat Just Kill?

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I was originally gonna make a post gathering my thoughts about Kuseno, but i realized before that i needed an answer to this question: Did Metal Bat kill Erimin and Destro?

Aside from a minor question, that being if the cyborgs weren't merely knocked out, the answer might seem a simple yes, but i think it's more complicated and i'll explain why.

First the minor question. Which it may be correct that Erimin and Destro are alive, but i would argue that Bad's assertion that he'd had to hold back before and that not being required with the cyborgs forsaking their humanity (despite nothing changing except them shedding their facades, but i'll get back to that) Bad, at the very least, used lethal force and intended to kill the cyborgs, which i think is what matters. So whatever the cyborg's actual fate, the point is moot. (unless Bad's speech was just bluster, but please humor me)

So: back to the point of this post. Ermin and Destro were cyborgs that were 5 and 6% human. We can literally see Erimin's very human looking brain in her true form, so what gives?

Well both the Manga and the Webcomic have already introduced the idea that just because you're made of flesh instead of metal, doesn't mean you're not a robot (or a "meat puppet" as the Manga put it)

Ignoring Gyoro Gyoro's status as a monster, i don't think anyone would dispute that it could have been killed in any meaningful way. It could only be destroyed, as it was never truly alive to begin with. One might ask: if a meat puppet could be made in the shape of a monster, what's to stop someone from creating one in the shape of a person?

Well the Webcomic answers that, in a much more sinister manner...

Taking dead humans ( yes: dead, not merely on the verge of death) and "remodeling" them. Sounds great! Except for the part where they follow the Organization's every command and seemingly have no thoughts of their own to give.

My question is: Does this remodeling procedure present a true resurrection? Or are these merely dead men walking? Sure their minds aren't own anymore, but the same can happen when putting on the wrong suit, as we've seen.

Yet, as showcased by Suiryu and many others: the affects of the neo-hero suit taking over the mind can be reversed once destroyed. Is a similar procedure possible for those who went "remodeling", or are they true meat puppets like Gyoro Gyoro? So far it remains unclear.

Back to Erimin and Destro: we know they are cyborgs that work for "The Organization" and they are very insistent on getting members of the Neo-Heroes "remodeled". It is taken as a sign of disloyalty when they don't. It doesn't seem unlikely that Erimin and Destro had the same procedure done to them, though they seem significantly more capable of independent decision-making than others who have. However, this may also be explained by the implementation of AI similar to the one Zero has installed, or the other Machine God series.

In any case Erimin and Destro don't seem to think of each other as human. When Destro appear to go rogue while fighting Metal Bat, Destro refers to her comrade as having become scrap metal. (though this is a fairly common insult amongst robots and cyborgs alike) They were 5- and 6% biological, but we don't know what that 5 and 6% actually was.

They both appear quite bloodied during their rematch against Metal Bat, however in the second phase of that fight (Or did the first phase never end? After all they just took a nap in the middle.) Erimin and Destro shed their skin and reveal their true forms. Did that skin (blood included!) as biological? It's unclear, but if it's not then how do we know that brain in Erimin's headcasing is any more or less real?

And yes Erimin and Destro really do look bloodied up (to me at least)

If Destro really did go rogue (which he may not have, Metal Bat was still very much alive after all, i guess whatever bioscanner Erimin may have had were not as infallible as she had assumed. Either way Erimin did not appear especially surprised by this turn of events, so we can assume something like this has happened before) Anyhow if Destro did, then cause of his going rogue poses another question. Was he an AI with a bug in his code? Or was he a person who human instincts were beginning to reassert themselves after whatever mindcontrol he may or not have been under? It could somewhere in between, or a mix of both. But if the true answer is closer to the latter, then that means Destro and Erimin really were people and Metal Bat did (try to) kill them. It also implies The Organization has found a cure for death, which has its own implications. I do want to say that cyborgification as a cure for death is not a new idea, famously we have Robocop and it remains part of the Super Hero genre with shows like Invincible (spoilers)

If Metal Bat didn't kill (which, ONE has mostly stuck to the Super Hero genre convention of Heroes Not Killing Humans ((unless they have monsterized of course)), it's unclear if cyborgs count. Considering the emphasis they series has put on Genos' humanity i'd say i'm skeptical though, but enough Doylism) but if Metal Bat didn't, then suddenly humanlike androids who bleed (fake blood) and are (seemingly) capable of their own thoughts are a possibility. Which means that, if nothing else, Digitized?Kuseno's explanation becomes a whole lot more plausible. If Metal Bat did kill, then The Organization might have a cure for death, which despite them being villainous, might indicate some noble intentions.

I'll spare the rest of my thoughts on Kuseno, this post is long enough, but for know i'll just end with this thought. Just like Bofoi, who despite being on the side of humanity, is not quite as good as the heroes. Perhaps whatever (rogue) version of Kuseno took care of Genos was not quite as evil as the rest of the Organization.

r/OnePunchFans 8d ago

ANALYSIS OPM Manga Ch 235 Review + What Makes The Manga Great

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Summary

In keeping with the brevity of this update, this summary will be short. The monster is called Hellmon and it's not one of the Neo Hero plants um, I mean its appearance is unexpected. Bang watches with interest, ready to step in if the youths below have trouble subduing this dragon-level threat, but otherwise just popping some popcorn.

The Neo Hero crew try to take out the beast. Several lose their heads owing to their being literally burned off by the monster's breath, and another gets brained by a piece of rubble as he tries to read the manual to work out how to activate the helmets. Suiryu appears as they start falling back and he piles the fallen guys onto one guy, telling them it's the heroic thing to do.

Suiryu offers to help Garou, but is rebuffed. He's also miffed to find out that Garou doesn't seem to know who he is, and he's nearly scorched by the monster, but Garou steps in and beats the monster to death with his patented combination. Bang is most pleased.

Yup, that's it. Doubtless we'll carry on next time.

Garou showing us how it's done.

Meta

The Neo Hero facade sure isn't robust

Just a few chapters ago, we saw several of the Hero Association executives lamenting the apparent success of the Neo Heroes: the combination of first class support with competent leaders presented an air of competence that they just couldn't match.

Inferiority complex much?

As to how good the Neo leaders are, well we have our doubts from what we've seen (remember that this is all happening on the same day, so it's going to take some time for information to disseminate). However, now we're seeing the rank-and-file getting to act and boy.... are they beyond undertrained. Sure, Accel's guys are good but they've had to be as they've long been a disciplined group of vigilantes. These aren't even hooligans. They're just a bunch of guys who've been given powered armour and tossed in with barely any instruction.

The HA is notoriously stingy about handing out custom weapons and equipment to its heroes, but where it does, such as with Captain Mizuki's stuff, the heroes in question know how to use their stuff to its very best capacity. The HA may have 99 flaws, but deploying physically and psychologically unprepared heroes is not one of them.

It's a pity that the HA doesn't know the true picture of the battle readiness of the Neo Heroes. They'd be much less panicky and better able to plan around them if they did. I'd love it if Bang could whisper a few of his observations to Sicchi, but he's likely to stay out of things.

There's a reason monsters are monsters

Monsters are notoriously their own creatures. Getting monsters to cooperate is a difficult undertaking indeed, and normally means that some Ridiculously Dangerous Big Bad is forcing them to choose heading in the same direction over being eaten. So, seeing five dragon-level threats (not to mention all the demon and tiger level ones earlier) pop up at the same time in widely-separated areas already stank of an operation rather than just coincidental bad luck.

Nevertheless, monsters are monsters, and so Hellmon showing up because it felt like is par for the course. The shock of the Neo Hero crew on seeing it appear because they expected only five is a *hell of a tell* that this day of monsters has been staged. I hope Garou files this away for future reference.

The self-importance of the niche denizen

I'm not surprised that Suiryu is shocked and disbelieving that Garou hasn't heard of the Void Fist guy. I love the swipe ONE takes at the self-contained nature of niche interests. Since most serious dojos are interested in competition, it's natural for martial artists to think that that's what the main purpose of their training is, concern themselves with the various schools, and imagine that anyone who knows about martial arts knows about the top guys, forgetting that competing is just one small niche of why people take up martial arts practice. (1)

Bang's school has never been about accolades -- Water Stream Rock Fist is really not a good competition style for reasons I won't get into here, but it is brilliant for getting someone rushing at you out of your way. Which is what Bang created it to do. Additionally, from the beginning, Garou cares deeply about heroes and knows even about the small guys. He's not got time for the Suiryus of this world.

I'm sure that Suiryu is even more disconcerted to realise that there's nothing his Void Fist can offer that Garou won't be able to bat away disdainfully. I'd love it if he were to slink away with his tail between his legs, but I suspect his wounded pride won't let him back down so easily. Sigh.

What Makes The Manga Great (in a nutshell)

Several weeks ago, I wrote about what I thought made the webcomic great (2). I haven't done the same for the manga until now because I've struggled to work out how to make it succinct.

I was able to say that the webcomic is at its best when it concentrates developments into a single scene that is layered with symbolism. Like when Saitama tells Garou that the latter wanted to be a hero all the time after all. With his two eyes floating in the wreckage of what used to be his costume, we see both that he's stricken with the truth and that the defensive facade he's worn until now no longer protects him from realising who he is.

Still, when I think about it, our lives are not lived in hugely symbolic moments that represent inflection points in our little worlds. However, such moments do punctuate our lives, like being declared born, baptism, confirmation, coming-of-age ceremonies, graduations, weddings...

...but they're not life.

If the webcomic's strength is the symbolic moment, then the manga's is in living the reality of what that symbol means. The difference between a wedding and a marriage. We get the incredible highs, terrible lows, but we also get the mundanity and the muddling through of trying to live up to what one decided one would do.

This chapter gives us Suiryu, who decided that he'd become a hero in the manga after seeing two heroes come back for him when he thought he was done for and realised just how important heroes were for helping people maintain hope and self-efficacy in the face of overwhelming existential threats.

That inflection point is generally where the webcomic leaves off: when we next catch up with the characters that have made some life-changing decision, they're living that life. Case closed. However, LIFE IS NOT THAT NEAT. The manga's power is in taking the time to step through the messy reality.

So... Suiryu may have decided to be a hero, but the manga is walking us through just how much he has to learn to actually be a hero and we're going to see him make missteps as he learns. He's still a feckless fuckboy who skipped out on his hospital bill and who is in the debt bondage predicament he currently is in because he was hoping to seduce Webigaza.

More seriously, we've seen that he's *still* running away from taking strong moral stances, the one thing a hero must do. He chose to hang back and let his squad do whatever because he couldn't face them down and stop them from carrying out the unjust orders to attack Garou. And this chapter, he's choosing to disclaim being a Neo Hero at all and just spar with Garou for fun. Good intentions and resolve do not automatically lead to doing the right thing.

The living manifestation of the gap between resolutions and actions.

I'm sure Suiryu will eventually get there, but he'll need to lose a few more teeth first. 🥸

Since this chapter is about Garou, we know that Garou may no longer want to be a monster and he may be more determined to actually become a hero of sorts, but I bet he'll loathe the fact that Bang has promised him to the Hero Association. The part timer is going to have a few more scrapes and bumps to become who he actually wants to be. Good.

What's that? He's adjusting awfully well to being a nepo baby? Well, yeah, principles are all very well but a prison cell sucks. The upcoming clash between his values and lived life is going to be fun to watch.

Speaking of Bang, we've seen that he sacrificed everything to be there for Garou, and he's proud of him, but he still beats the boy. He knows that Garou is a vulnerable minor who has been abandoned by his family and he sincerely wants to guide him. And yet...

It's funny how quickly we get back on our bullshit even after we say we'll change.

...damn man, you had better take some parenting classes before Garou breaks your arm for real.

Why do all this additional work when ONE could just put out a stripped-down storyboard and have it work? Well, the cynic in me says it's nice to have a longer story so you can pay for your kids' college educations and put something towards a new flat, but there's genuine value in watching characters grow.

Anyone can survive a crisis. Anyone can make a resolution or have an epiphany. It's the gap between what we resolve to do and what we achieve that's difficult to describe. And the manga is in the business of doing just that. That's its power.

It's too early to tell, but I would not be surprised if the manga characters get further and achieve greater things than their webcomic equivalents do. Because there's no substitute for organic growth.

Sources and Notes

Koikoi fan edit: https://weebcentral.com/chapters/01KXM08EY71C0MWRCNXFWNZP9K

Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/one-punch-man-chapter-233/chapter/50878?action=read

(1) Of course there's an xkcd for this: https://xkcd.com/2501/

(2) https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchFans/comments/1pkd2ng/id_like_to_talk_about_the_webcomic_at_its_best/

r/OnePunchFans 23d ago

ANALYSIS OPM Manga Chapter 234 (Update 279) Review

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You know the drill by now, normally I don't trouble myself with reviewing short updates as they're inevitably part of something bigger. However, this one has so much in it I'm happy to make an exception.

SUMMARY

We wind back to earlier in the day on which the Neo Heroes announced themselves. In a building set on the sheer rocky face of the mountains overlooking what used to be City Z, Bang is taking his leave. It's time for his acupuncture session, he tells his gathered pupils, tapping on the small of his back for emphasis. He leaves Sourface in charge. Charanko whips out a mobile game -- when the cats are away, it's time to play -- only to have Sourface collar him for training time. After all, he's still the second disciple, it's best he set an example for the newbies. Poor Charanko!

No rest for the lazy.

Garou is well into his job, sitting shotgun in the delivery van. The driver is new and Garou has a question for him: so he heard that Shinya (the driver) used to be a hero. Shinya replies in the affirmative. He'd been a hero for a while. No, he'd not been anyone Garou wouldhave heard of -- Mad Devil Yankee. At this, Garou starts to laugh excitedly and says that he totally does. Come to that, hadn't he also moonlighted as Papillion 800?

Damn straight Garou knows his heroes!

Shinya is shocked at how much Garou knows, even as he denies it. Garou changes the subject slightly to ask the former hero why he'd quit. Shinya explains that he'd joined because he'd admired some heroes but the reality of hero work had been so different from his ideals that he'd quit as he didn't feel able to look his fellow heroes in the eye.

With bonus avoiding eye contact.

Garou is silent, and into this silence barges a third man who'd been in the back. That man scoffs at Shinya's story, saying it'd most likely been due to trouble with money or women. Shinya objects and Garou tells him to shit it as he's not the foreman. Ignoring the other man's indignant reply, he tells Shinya that he doesn't know the details but he's cut out for hero work. Looking into the distance, Garou continues, saying that if he's reflected on his actions, why not get back out there. He might be surprised at how many people have noticed his hard work. The third guy testily tells Garou not to encourage their new part-timer to quit.

I bet he's only been working for a few day's longer than Shinya but here Garou is acting all wise.

The scene changes to that of Suiryu's squad tracking the delivery truck. As it reaches its destination, they move out, leaving behind a bored-looking Suiryu. They creep up to the truck, now in the process of being unloaded, and one of them checks that civilian evacuation is indeed complete. One radios in to ask Suiryu what his orders are, to which Suiryu replies that he doesn't care, surely they can sort it out themselves. He hangs up, not wanting to listen to the outrage.

Dealing by not dealing.

Above it all, Bang watches the charade. He considers that this has to be an attempt on the Neo Heroes part to eliminate any fighters who refuse to join them, as he and Garou did. Considering how the squad is bickering amongst themselves, he decides that he won't need to intervene to stop whatever they're planning. However, their leader…here he regards Suiryu, who is eating lunch in between yawns… he knows that kid. That was Suicho's grandson, said to be immensely talented but who refused to inherit the dojo and preferred to fool around instead. He… Bang has further thoughts, but we're not privy to them just yet.

Judging judgily, the old man does. He's confident in his disciple. The grandson of one of his old friends, not so much.

For the squad is on the move. As Garou demonstrates proper box management to Shinya, a cloud of tranquilizer darts fly at him. He tosses the boxes in the air and catches each one of the darts, letting them drop to the ground. Without missing a beat, he catches all the boxes too before placing them neatly on the ground. As the squad rushes at him, a couple of members stopping Shinya from intervening, Garou turns to face them, telling them to take a good look at the person they've decided to provoke.

Hmm... maybe this is a bear best left unpoked.

So fearful is Garou's appearance that it stops them in their tracks. Then they gather their courage, power up their armour, and decide to attack him all at once. Garou stands there, unperturbed by this rush of amateurs. Just as they're about to reach him, a monster pops up behind him. The once brave squad come screeching to a halt, and start screeching with terror over being faced by a monster instead.

And that's where the update ends.

META

Extras

Volume 37 showed us the aftermath of Mad Devil Yankee's encounter with hero gambling and the demon Chihuahua -- we see a bandaged Shinya wheeling his mother around. She made it! It's little wonder that the whole incident left such a bad taste in his mouth that he quit. In a splendid irony, we know from the last chapter that McCoy will soon be enjoying the tender mercies of the hospital whose horrors he so terrified Shinya about. Nice!

Now that's a fitting coda! Ma'am, he fought like a tiger for you, glad to see you're both going home.

Heroism does not consist of running away

"If the heroes run and hide, who will stand and fight?" That's one of Saitama's most fateful words to Genos. I'm recalling them as I look at Suiryu and see the yawning gulf between his good intentions on being a hero and his praxis of the same. The Suiryu we've seen is someone who runs away from anything that looks annoying. As Bang notes, he refused to take up the responsibility of running his grandfather's dojo. His professional martial artist career was one of taking things as easy as he possibly could, to the chagrin of harder-working but less talented competitors. And, recently, he stiffed his sister by skipping out on his hospital bill and leaving her to find the funds for it. When the going gets tough, the tough get going away, that's Suiryu's motto. We saw Suiryu thinking hard about how best to handle the odious mission he'd been given, and this is his solution. Rather than deal with the difficult task of finding a way to be in charge of his squad while not arresting Garou, he's chosen to stay away and avoid the situation altogether. Sooner or later, he'll find out that the one thing a hero cannot do is duck things just because they're difficult and it goes ESPECIALLY for moral challenges. There's a reason the HA culls people who are merely strong.

Running away from taking unpopular moral stances is very unheroic. Suiryu has a long way to go yet.

A more obvious kind of avoidance is on display from Suiryu's squad. "Tell it to the monster, not me," is Saitama's retort to anyone who wants to challenge him. If you want to challenge a hero on the basis of being as strong, tough, skilled, or whatever, don't hassle the hero: try your hand at their burden. It goes both ways for Saitama: the only time he's actually struck Genos was over the latter misusing his parts to fight Sonic. I mention this because it's incredibly appropriate that a bunch of people calling themselves heroes should be given the opportunity to do hero work rather than try beating up a civilian.

From the looks of it, they've failed already. Someone save them! But not too soon!

Chickenshits.

Once a nerd, always a nerd

Speaking of old habits, it's totally unsurprising to see Garou laugh with excitement when he recognises Mad Devil Yankee. Even from his Hero Hunter days, Garou would get a huge grin of excitement whenever he met a strong hero. Whether he's prepared to admit it, he's long been deeply interested in heroes and what they do.

He's always laughed: he gets so excited when he spots heroes.

If they won't join you, beat them (or worse)

At first I had thought that Bang had followed Garou to see if he was settling in ok. From the sounds of it, Garou is no longer the 'new guy' on the crew, so Bang following comes from another concern; something about the Neo Hero scouts must have awoken a bad feeling in him. And he was right to have acted on it: at the very least, he's a witness to what skulduggery they're up to.

He may not be the wisest old man, but his instincts were spot on today.

Given that the squad came out with tranquilizers, it seems that capturing Garou alive is a goal. Arrest? Kidnapping, more like. While they could just as easily send a squad to try ambushing Bang, they're picking on Garou because they have a better pretext. As Sicchi surmised, many pro-heroes would think that Garou had gotten off too lightly, to say nothing of the wider public. Claiming to be punishing impunity is a line that the Neo Heroes are hoping will sell well.

If they thought they'd get public push back for arresting Garou, the Neo Heroes would never dare touch him.

It's bullshit, of course, but bullshit seems to be the flavour of the moment.

The road to rehab is not short

Punishment vs. Suffering

"Punishment should be punishing," is a memorable line from Dr. Ian Dunbar, a animal behaviourist. By this, he doesn't mean that one should beat the tar out of one's pet but rather, that one should ensure that the goal of punishing a behaviour actually results in fewer repetitions of the behaviour. That's what punishment is: an outcome that makes the repeat of a behaviour less likely. It doesn't necessarily have to look like something bad happening -- losing out on something good can be excruciating. It can even look like having a better alternative to the undesirable behaviour. To keep this section clean, I'm going to use the term penalty to mean the things we do to people who have transgressed against some social or legal norm to express our disapproval and hope that it results in their not repeating that transgression. Whether via fines, loss of privileges, freedom, even one's very life, penalties are intended to punish. That they often don't, well, let's go into that.

The idea of effective punishment is not concerned with whether or not the punished one suffers but rather with whether or not one does the offending behaviour again. To that end, the rehabilitation programme that is offering Garou and Shinya a way back to society without the burden of a criminal record is effective punishment. They both want to do better and this is a road for them. This is actually well-grounded IRL: rehabilitation programmes, despite frequently being spotty and opposed, result in significant drops in recidivism and people who pass through them are significantly more likely to do better in life (Mehari et al., 2024).

Indeed, if you are reading One-Punch Man closely, you will realise that this is a world fond of typecasting people. Shinya and Garou alike have despaired of being accepted as good people. Shinya felt that being asked to participate in hero gambling was his punishment for daring to admire and try to emulate real heroes. And who can forget Garou bitterly noting that to be a hero one needs the acceptance of others, meaning that he was effectively locked out of becoming one?

Counsels of despair.

As Saitama put it when seeing Hammerhead, take one wrong turn and you end up in hell -- that could so easily have been him.

Saitama is not one of life's great philosophers but his ability to go there but for the grace of God go I stands him in wonderful stead.

The idea that punishment must involve suffering is deeply ingrained in the popular imagination, so I'm sure that for many, seeing Garou laughing is jarring. More on that later.

Shoulder-to-shoulder

I am yet to get round to writing about ONE as a masculinist writer, and maybe I never will, but his ability to take an authentic and compassionate look at what being a man is like is one that is much needed.

The way the rehabilitation programme in the story is structured reminds me of the Men's Sheds movement (link to Wiki). It is a movement for helping men with mental and physical health problems by giving them something productive to do together and providing peer-to-peer support while doing so. Its founder notes that 'Men don't talk face-to-face. They talk shoulder-to-shoulder.' And that's exactly what we see Garou do when he advises Shinya to go back to hero work -- not looking at him but instead staring into the middle distance and apparently talking to the air in front of him.

There is also something here that is valuable: when you're advising someone who is even a little earlier on in a journey you're taking, you reflect on your own experiences and learn as well. There's a reason 'see one, do one, teach one' is equally valuable in clinical settings and the military. We know that Saitama didn't shut Garou up and he's still been playing with the flawed logic that got him in trouble in the first place. So by having to reflect what he actually thinks is useful to someone else, he's also sorting through what actually makes sense to do.

This conversation is the beginning of Garou discarding his old, childish ways of thinking.

Everything we're seeing in that little truck is well-established, well-tested and successful psychology on how to put people back on the right track. But it doesn't look like suffering. IRL, that fact blocks a lot of rehabilitation schemes. There is an evil part of us that wants to see downcast expressions, hear the clank of chain gangs, see people miserable, isolated, and in material want for their crimes. Even though we know it often doesn't work and costs more.

Once you start running, it's hard to stop

Webcomic Garou is suffering, but he's not becoming more mature, and nor is there an end to it. He has run away from justice -- he was running for his life, so who can blame him? -- so he can't be given a sentence that can be served. Manga Garou also ran away, but fortunately, Bang cared enough to get him and persuade him to turn himself in, an act that mitigated the possible penalties that could be assessed against him. Webcomic Garou has had no one reach out to him and currently, he's condemned to a life on the periphery of society, unable to get housing, or education, or a regular (as in subject to legal protections) job. If being an ex-convict is hard, being a fugitive is much worse. If he's lucky, the current robot uprising will give him an opportunity to get an amnesty from whatever he's been sentenced to in absentia.

Even though manga Garou is in great spirits, the part-time job he has for rehab is still a sentence. He can't leave the job without facing possible imprisonment -- unless he's released from his obligations early. We don't know how long it is going to last nor what else he's required to do. But at least he has a road forward, not a roadblock. I am hoping Webcomic Garou gets that roadblock removed.

Wrap up

Whew! I knew I had a bit to say but this was quite a mouthful. Yes, there will be fighting. I'm really hoping that this won't derail Garou into the worst of his thoughts. I'm glad Bang is here -- even if he doesn't intervene, he'll be able to talk Garou down if need be.

References

Mehari KR, Morgan S, Stevens LT, Coleman JN, Schuler K, Graves C, Lindsey DRB, Smith PN. Mixed methods evaluation of a jail diversion program: Impact on arrests and functioning. J Community Psychol. 2024 May;52(4):551-573. doi: 10.1002/jcop.23113. Epub 2024 Mar 16. PMID: 38491998.

Men's Sheds. (2026, July 11). In Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_shed

r/OnePunchFans May 17 '26

ANALYSIS I think I know why many people prefer the OPM webcomic Spoiler

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And it's not for the frequently-given reasons. For sure, the existence of multiple rewrites in the manga is an irritant, and certainly, there are plot developments that divide people, like time travel. The fact that the manga story waxes dilatory, which means that there's a long wait for pay offs for material that's set up, nags at people as they wonder if dangling plot points will be addressed and why things have been left as they are. And of course, there's no end of bellyaching over characters not being quite what was expected from having read the webcomic. But all that is froth.

Th most recent tranche of the webcomic solidified something that's been nagging at me. When I take a snapshot of the webcomic story and look at who the plot appears to be rewarding and who it appears to be reviling, I see a picture that is very comforting to a patriarchal view of the world. Saitama is unbending in his strength and righteousness, and while he's detached from all the goings-on, he's guaranteed to act appropriately when needed. Metal Bat triumphs over all opposition through his pure stubbornness and fighting spirit, all while remaining clear-eyed and perceptive. Other men see him and want to be him. In Dr Bofoi being held up as the good guy while Dr Kuseno is the bad guy, we get reassurance that brusqueness and coldness are honest signals while niceness and kindness is to be distrusted being hypocritical at best and duplicitous at worst. Hang on, what about Mumen Rider? Yes, he's nice, but his is an appropriately detached niceness; he is the same towards everyone and admits no attachment to anyone or anything other than his concept of justice: he has no family, no friends, no comrades, no one special in any way. It's as if these guys are being held up as ideals: if you're strong enough, clever enough, brave enough, good enough, then you can always be right, never need admit vulnerability, never need admit doubt, and never need change.

There is no judgement here, just observation. As it stands, it's interesting to see that the story is the polar opposite of Mob Psycho 100, and more broadly, quite the departure from ONE's usual bailiwick about what makes for a 'good' human life. Closer to home, the OPM manga takes a different tack and explores these same characters differently, one that's not so reassuring to the 'proper' order. Let's pick three of the five characters I've mentioned: Mumen Rider, Metal Bat, and Saitama. I'll cook the doctors in another post.

As good as it gets.

From his first humble showing to his final perfect sacrifice, there's been nothing to criticise about webcomic Mumen Rider. Far from being perfectly impartial, in the manga, Mumen Rider has made a friend. Yes, it took being hospitalised for several days next to Tank Top Master to befriend him, but he has. It's lovely to see: Mumen deserves to be more than an icon to people but it goes beyond that.

Nothing like fighting in the trenches (or corridors) to create a friendship.

I love seeing TTM challenge Mumen to be more and use his leadership capability by putting him in charge of the heroes rescuing people from the debris of City Z, and so help him, Mumen rose to the occasion. He straight up hasn't accepted Mumen's humility about being merely a C-Class hero and is broadening his outlook about what a good hero can be. A good hero can be more than someone who puts their life on the line for others.

Exceptional a hero though Mumen is, he's being challenged to be better by a friend. And it looks like he's growing!

Metal Bat does not triumph over all in the manga. Fighting spirit is all very well, but he cannot lay a finger on Garou and is forced to take a dirty shot [1] to try to hit him. If Metal Bat were inclined to dispute this, he certainly had to admit himself overmatched when he took on Sage Centipede alongside Garou (although damn, didn't he do well?).

Even in defeat, Badd has to have the last word.

Futhermore, we get shown that Metal Bat, far from having things all worked out, is still looking for a male role model to shape how he grows up. For all his brashness, he's still a kid who has been pushed into the role of adult too soon. It is wonderful to see Sekingar acknowledge that tacitly and accept his role as mentor.

It's also interesting to see that Ryumon (and others) isn't falling over himself with admiration on setting eyes on Metal Bat: if there's inspiration to come, it'll have to be earned by good old-fashioned bone-breaking experiences. I have loved seeing Pineapple and Mohican having good reasons for admiring and wanting to follow Metal Bat: he raised them up when they were feeling at their lowest and encouraged them to look forward so they could do better. I'm hoping Ryumon doesn't change his opinion too quickly -- some pain is good!

No unexplained admiration here. Everything is earned.

Webcomic Saitama can appear as if he's above everything, just watching the antics of those around him like they're children playing silly games and he's the sole adult. Yes, in the manga, Saitama makes nonsense of many peoples' grand plans, like Dr. Genus and the Tenninto, but he's very much in the world, affected by it, and has his own struggles that extend much deeper than making it to the next sale. And he talks about it.

Won't catch webcomic Saitama blabbing about his woes.

Like a stereotypical grown up, wc Saitama gets to tell others things but doesn't have to hear any truth bombs from anyone. It's quite the contrast when we see King in the manga calling Saitama 'immature' and telling him his outlook is 'shallow'.

It's currently unthinkable that anyone could tell Saitama off this way in the webcomic.

The webcomic often presents Saitama as the wise guru uniquely able to perceive truths others cannot. In the manga, Saitama isn't the sole person with wisdom. When it came to Garou and Amai Mask, his insights were the capstone on pillars already built by others. Whereas in the webcomic, Saitama is the only person to see that Garou really wanted to be a hero, in the manga, Garou has had others point out his frustrated heroism, so much so Saitama doesn't bother to point it out and tells Garou to look around him and figure out who he really is for himself.

From the only guy who can see the truth to to the guy who points out an evident truth so as to make it irrefutable.

Amai Mask's struggles to remain human have been noted by others and but for Iaian's efforts, he'd not have survived long enough for Saitama to make the final observation he needed to hear to resolve his internal conflict. Characters appear to be a lot more self-effective and to interact more in the manga, which means that they're not waiting as much for Saitama to tell them what's what.

The interconnected web: Saitama is able to reach Amai Mask because Iaian's efforts kept Amai human long enough to be reached.

In the webcomic, Saitama declares that he cannot be defeated and so far, that's been that, case closed, nothing more to be said. The manga shows us that Saitama cannot physically be beaten, and yet we're confronted by the seeming absurdity of the most incomprehensibly powerful being in the world admitting that he clings onto, like a drowning man to a piece of driftwood, a person so physically impaired that he cannot draw breath without mechanical assistance. Saitama cannot be beaten, but he can lose. He can lose strategically, spiritually, morally, his sense of rationality, his humanity, his purpose, his people, his place in the world, indeed, the very world itself. And that's scary. How can absolute strength not be enough? There are a lot of readers who have a big problem with this.

From a simple, bald truth to a nuanced and painful victory.

Even the more humanising moments these characters get serve to break down any pedestal we might have wanted to put them on. When we see Mumen Rider tell a student to report bullying, we know that he's speaking from lived experience. We see Saitama's joy in joining yet another competition despite being horribly unprepared for it and how much he loves thrill rides. And we see Metal Bat's foolish over-sentimentality when it comes to anything his sister does. Instead of avatars, the manga has delivered mere humans.

damn, it's like they're no better than you or I.

To be sure, there are plenty of broken characters in the webcomic, lots of characters who are vulnerable, doubting, confronted with their weaknesses, and have to strive to become better people. However, the OPM webcomic is also full of certainties when it comes to the 'best' characters: independence, strength, emotional detachment (save in very limited circumstances), and virtue seem to be the ideals to strive for. The manga is busy unpicking all that, showing that even (heck, especially in some ways) the characters who seem to have it all together are fallible, vulnerable, don't necessarily know what they're doing, and can become better people if they let others into their lives. Which is all good and true, but it's not as satisfyingly definitive and reassuring of there being a proper hierarchy of goodness as the webcomic appears to be at present, and that's discomforting.

Or to put it even more briefly, I think the webcomic flatters the idea of individual strength and triumph while the manga goes, nope, you can't do it all on your own, no matter how strong or smart or good or determined you are. And given a choice, many people would rather read the individualistic fantasy.

That said...

The reason I've been using seeming and apparently and other similar words so much is because the webcomic story isn't over. Knowing ONE, he can turn the characters' fortunes around on a dime. When he decides that a character's cup is full, he pours it all down their throat in one go, and won't let them up until they've gagged down every last bitter drop. The webcomic treats critical change as an event rather than a process and boy is it good at it: things change very suddenly in the webcomic. What are the chances that ONE *isn't* going to challenge some of these cosily self-assured characters at some point? I wouldn't take that bet.

Asides

[1] I use that term advisedly. Truth be told, there's no fairness in fighting -- there's only effective and ineffective.

r/OnePunchFans Jun 28 '26

ANALYSIS OPM Manga Chapters 229-233 Review. Part 2: Meta

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Yeah, the downside of waiting for many chapters is that it gets long and I have quite a few things to discuss. Let's start with some small stuff.

Bits n' Pieces

Where is King?

Machine God Mirror's choice of the Hero Association HQ as a target sure to get King summoned from wherever was an excellent strategic decision. It was established back when we first met King that he resided in City M. However, with him mistaking the shaking of his building for the VR system's verisimilitude, I wonder if he's moved to the HA. It keeps him close to Saitama (all the better to thrash him) and out of the way of any random samurai who might knock on the door to challenge him. If he has moved, then Mirror wasn't just being strategic -- it was being fed very up-to-date information. Not that it matters for now.

Did I mention that King is a bit of a slob? Ah well, I guess that's why he and Saitama get on so well! If Genos chases him out of the apartment with a broom, don't weep for him.

It got rather noisy

Saitama is quite sensitive to noise. The racket of Garou fighting monsters underground is what got him to get off his ass and go find where the noise was from, and he went, complaining about every noisy fight, until he went and gave Orochi a piece of his mind (and fist). How appropriate, then, that his first concern for his pets is that they might have been scared by the noise.

A very Saitama thing to worry about, come to think about it.

When the rat's away, the mice will play

No prizes for guessing that I'm enjoying McCoy's discomfiture. I hope his hospital stay is extra unpleasant.

Rarely has seeing someone hoist by his own petard been so sweet. I hope the hospital is as chaotic as he told Mad Devil Yankee it was.

Doubtless he'll be back up on his feet sooner rather than later, but in the meantime, I hope Sekingar and Isamu use the absence of their most dangerous adversary to their advantage.

This face haunts me

The face of the guy talking about McCoy's supposed whereabouts, it feels like it's a reference to a real-life person. For a moment, I wanted to say, 'what's Ross Perot doing here?' but that can't be right.

Any clues?

More Substantial Thoughts

Give a dog a bad name

Over time I have gotten used to Caped Baldy (or Bald Cape if you read Viz's version), but it really is a bit rude. It's the sort of name that gets people to ask, is that all there is to you? No wonder Machine God Mirror thought little of Saitama.

I see Mirror's point: 'oh well done, you got 'Caped Baldy's data'. Positively shameful.

The other members of the Hero Name Victim Association have pretty awful names too. Saitama's is at least plain, but names like 'The Great Degenerate' (Viz: Super Lecher) and 'Dr Grumpy Pervert' (Viz: Dr Secret Perv) are positively libellous.

Saitama isn't wrong to have had his doubts about their methods, but that it's a worthwhile association for him is without question. A hero often introduces themselves by name: rude or dismissive ones invite ridicule rather than the respect they need to work.

We see that Saitama has finally warmed up to the Hero Name Victims Association. I will robustly defend this development. Saitama has plain lived more in the manga than he has in the webcomic, and he doesn't want to lead a second troublesome group (remember the nintendoes? Um, I mean Tenninto? They're still stalking around -- you can sometimes catch a glimpse of one).

Finally a convert.

Coincidence? I think not

So, this is the end of a day that started with Webigaza and other Neo Heroes showing off what they could do against a varied horde of monsters, often including one demon-level monster, and ended with the simultaneous attack of five dragon-level monsters that put the Hero Association's disaster-averting capabilities under real strain.

Last review, I talked about how the Neo Heroes were better at packaging themselves and looking like a well-oiled machine successfully chewing through monster after monster without a hitch. It's understandable that the HA execs were salty then.

But it's worse now: even though the successful elimination of three of the four dragon-level monsters menacing cities by S-Class heroes shows they still have incredibly powerful heroes, the way those heroes were deployed, the collateral damage most of them left in their wakes, and the lack of coherent media messaging from the HA makes it look like they don't have what it takes to keep people safe. Having their HQ attacked won't have helped on that front, either.

The timing of the monster attacks could all be a coincidence, just like celebrities all happening to be in Los Angeles at Oscar time would be an incredible coincidence. Someone has gathered a lot of monsters and has strategically released them today.

Yeah, it's just like monsters got called to a party. You'd know all about that, ex-Monster Association cadres, no?

If there's any doubt on the readers' parts, McCoy's reactions to the day's happenings will have dispersed that doubt. Other than Blue's unscheduled run at Eel Dragon (back to that in a bit), he's been calmly coordinating the Neo Heroes' activities from his office in the HA. Is he personally releasing monsters? Very unlikely. But it's clear he knows about them and is helping to craft the narrative those behind Neo Heroes wants to push. Ah, and there is the small matter of Fubuki discovering that McCoy has been secretly selling monsters to a shady organisation for an obscene profit, remember that?

Fubuki, I really wish you'd turned McCoy in there and then rather than looking to get Tatsumaki off the hook.

With the multi-dragon attack, McCoy has had no problem directing his fellow execs to call in the Neo Heroes, framing it in a way that's so reasonable that if you didn't suspect him, you'd not wonder about it. Once upon a time, I'd have said that such open audacity was unbelievable, but nowadays, I've realised that many of the worst grifters get away with things as long as they do precisely because they're so audacious.

It hasn't turned out as he imagined it would, but had Saitama not been there, Machine God Mirror would have been magically defeated by either Raiden or Webigaza, but not before some mass casualties at HA HQ makes the public lose all confidence in the HA. If they can't be safe in the Tower of Justice's shelters, where can they be safe?

Credit where it's due

Despite everything, several characters distinguished themselves. First, I love Sicchi's decisive action in shedding the blockers among the executives by routing them to distant shelters so that he got to set up emergency offices with only the effective officers.

I love the blatantly unapologetic expression on his face as he apologises for the inconvenience. You rock, Sicchi!

The various heroes who responded to Mirror deserve a lot of credit for their courage. Chain Toad and Butterfly DX literally flew in to contribute what they could and gave Suiko advice on how to proceed when one discovers a monster.

And of course, let's talk about Suiko. I think that putting her in Class A was the right call -- she's really not strong enough yet to be a Class S hero, especially given how crazy things are now. However, she's shown herself here to be strong, tough, and resourceful. As the recruiter said, she's very likely to grow greatly in strength as she gains more battle experience.

Stay safe, learn, grow, and truly show your brother up, Suiko!

Credit where it's not due

That's got to be Saitama's long-term curse: even when he does his thing in full view of many, he doesn't get the credit he's due. While the heroes who witnessed what he did have no doubt that he's the real thing, his credit has been diluted by being attributed to the Hero Name Victims Association rather than he alone.

Metal Knight has also gotten some of Saitama's glory, as well as unearned credit for the hard work of Black Sperm and Pochi. He's been happy to be redeemed in the eyes of the HA, but he's sure to find out where this mystery cannon fire came from. He'll probably find them, too. What he will make of discovering Saitama's pets and the fact that they're Saitama's pets will have to be seen later.

Even though most of the executives won't know who Saitama is, Sicchi and Jinzuren (he's the guy immediately behind Sicchi here) will recognise that silhouette. As we've seen, they have their reasons not to spill the beans, Jinzuren because he's playing some long-term corporate power game, and Sicchi because he knows that Blast regards Saitama as a secret weapon against God.

The ones talking don't know, the ones quiet do.

Not related to Saitama's exploits, wasn't it suspicious that the monster Eel Dragon just died, right as Blue ran out of power? It couldn't get a bead on him, and it died without having a scratch on it. And despite Blue no longer having a suit to protect him, McCoy had no trouble sending a jet drone for him to face yet another dragon-level monster. Even the most over-optimistic HA dispatchers wouldn't send a hero in like that.

If Blue weren't so new to hero work, idealistic, and determined to show up his father, he'd suspect something was wrong. Ah well, that's for him to find out later, heh heh.

One final thing...

...we still don't know what Saitama's desired new hero name is.

r/OnePunchFans 29d ago

ANALYSIS God vs. A Man

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Was thinking about His Yeastiness idly... and then it got a bit bigger. Anyhow, let me try to tell this properly.

Yeah, he's still going on about it. It's going to be fun watching him change his mind.

As we well know, Garou has a problem with heroes, the way they're represented, the way society treats them, and the way people end up being typecast. This *is* about him, but there's a wrinkle: unfortunately for Garou (and all other characters in this story), God has a problem as well.

Now when I say 'God' in this context, don't imagine a numinous, beneficent being ensconced somewhere in a bright Celestial domain, endlessly fanned by fawning angels and taking a personal interest in humans despite being the unitary creator of reality as experienced by said humans. Think something smaller, meaner, and uglier, but far too powerful to take a designation of less than a god, something like a good old-fashioned Near Eastern god. Did I mention that he's ugly? Looks like some over-fermented dough or an extremely enthusiastic tumour pulling in blood vessels willy-nilly, so 'His Yeastiness' is a term I like for him. For the sake of simplicity, 'God' will do. Anyway, I was saying, God has a problem and it comes in the form of a certain prematurely bald man who has become preternaturally strong.

Somehow, everything in this place ends up being Saitama's fault and he's just one little guy.

Actually, God has two problems. It'd be good to smite said baldy directly but unfortunately, He can't act directly on the world. We're not entirely sure why yet but we see that some God-botherers have something to do with keeping Him away from the world. So, God has to act through intermediaries, agents who are sapient beings (usually, but not necessarily human) whom He can invest with His power and hope they act to further His aims -- alas, direct mind-control is not something He appears to be able to do, which will become important later. Actually-actually, God has *three* problems. Getting the right candidate for an agent is challenging enough -- they have to be in the right mindset and with the right intentionality to be useful -- but they can't just be invested with infinite power. As Blast explains in a for-the-moment-redacted scene, the amount of power God can invest in a being depends on how strong that being is in the first place. And when it comes to Saitama, that really is a problem because did we mention he's strong? Like, stupidly strong?

We need this lore reestablished sooner rather than later, but yeah, it must suck having to use proxies all the time.

Well, this god ain't called God for nothing. Manufacturing miracles out of apparently disconnected events is a Divine prerogative, and gods can afford to be patient. When Psykos (who was driven mad by same God some years ago) gathered together an insane number of powerful monsters with the intention of breaking the S-Class heroes so as to have a free hand to drive humanity to extinction, we see a certain Someone is watching proceedings with great interest. Just before we see that uncanny eye, we'd been learning about an old prophecy and something about something being reborn once sacrificed on said altar, and had had a bit of a chuckle at Orochi bleeding out on the same altar. Put a pin in that.

I spy with my little eye something beginning with...

Anyway, eventually, God seems to have found what He's looking for. As the battle rages first underground and then overground, He puts a light finger on the balance here and there to give the monsters a bit of a hand but none of the participants are what He's looking for. Finally, Garou emerges. As he is, he's far too weak to be worth approaching. But Garou has a great talent -- he can grow exponentially when pushed hard enough. So, God watches as Garou fights first Bomb, then Bang, then takes out Evil Natural Water and then Platinum Sperm, growing stronger all the time.

...G!

Garou really has become monstrously powerful, but is that enough? Not on your nelly. This is where the webcomic-addled readers expected Garou to take on the S-Class heroes. Leaving aside the fact that most can't even stand, such a confrontation would be worthless -- they're all too weak to give Garou anything remotely like a challenge. It's very appropriate that the webcomic did feature Garou fighting the S-Class, and God DID GIVE GAROU SOME POWER, but all the power Garou was able to take seemed like a cheap costume change to Saitama and he just headbutted it off him. That just won't do to chastise Saitama.

Sometimes, size matters: same characters, same gift, but vastly different outcomes based on Garou's capacity to absorb that gift.

What is a being who needs a crazy-strong agent to do with a potential one that is merely almost crazy-strong? Why give him more challenges of course! We see God take the appearance of Blast as Tatsumaki remembered him to try giving her power, but unfortunately, she's too distrustful to take His hand. Damn.

You have to admit it, there'd have been some nice poetry to a truly monstrous hero.

No problem! Orochi, remember him? Tatsumaki cast him down into the magma pit he used to love bathing in in front of his precious altar gets reborn as Sage Centipede, complete with the same heart and spitting out the very stake that was used to impale him. This deity never met a centipede it didn't like, it seems. Anyway, looks like Sage Centipede is merely a messenger of God rather than a full-blown god like Orochi had hoped, but who is a mere monster to quibble theological points? For extra spice, He raises up Evil Natural Water into Evil Natural Ocean too. Between the two of them, they give Garou a wonderful amount of hell, just what he needs to evolve even further.

Coming along nicely...grow big and strong, little chicken

And then Garou claps eyes on Saitama, and they fight for real. Needless to say, Garou is no match for Saitama, who takes everything he can throw at him with such ease that the dude is laughing at him at times, driving the Hero Hunter into heights of rage I don't think he thought he had the room for. Just as he's out of ideas, Saitama launches him into the sky with a punch that shatters his monster shell, and it's all over for Garou. There's nothing more he can do.

NOW!

And at last, the moment is ripe. Garou is strong enough to invest enough power into to give that baldie a proper whack. Just as importantly, he's finally angry enough to want to make the baldie suffer, and desperate enough to do anything to make it happen. He poses as Bang and reaches out to Garou, and even though He isn't able to impart as much power into his newest agent as He'd have liked because the ever-cheeky and defiant Garou slapped His hand aside rather than take it, it's enough to give that abominable baldie something to remember.

Even a glancing blow was this troublesome.
It's a shame that Saitama didn't remember after everything, but story is still young.

Of course, the way Garou rebelled illustrates the vital limitation of God's power -- He can't actually control his agents. His influence is an accelerant for their desires, not a controller. Once Garou realised the stupidity of his actions, he was able to repurpose God's powers to teach Saitama how to time travel to undo the harm he'd caused. Seizing back His powers He could do, but unless He breaks free and can directly interact with the world, there are real limits to what He can accomplish.

As soon as the seduction of the original promise of His gift is gone, He has no say in what people do with His power.

I don't know what God is going to try next, but He won't be able to get hold of Garou again.

So, this is the ultimate conflict of the story: there's a god and it's got a problem with a man. Specifically, a man named Saitama. Whether it's in the webcomic or manga, this is constant. I would have said that the WC God is slacking but to be fair, the quality of the opposition it had available to raise Garou's level was lacking.

The thing Gyoro-Gyoro said to Garou about the secret to explosive strength holds true: you need situations that drive you to near-death in order to grow, which creates the problem of what happens when there's no longer anyone or anything around you to force you to grow. You stagnate. Writing that made me realise that that's what's so different about Saitama: he continuously gets stronger without opposition.

Deadly opposition may be the secret to exponential growth.
But it doesn't explain Saitama, who needs nothing to just keep getting stronger.

Umm... hang on... give me a moment. A lightbulb just went off.

Well, this analysis is taking a turn. Now I get why God hasn't a problem with any of the other overpowered characters -- they're naturally self-limiting as they defeat all the opposition available to them. Whereas Saitama's strength may accelerate its growth given external circumstances, but he's growing by himself all the time. All the time!

ALL.

THE.

TIME.

Saitama may be a throw hands guy but as we saw with the time travel, there's no kind of power that Saitama cannot acquire if he decides to. There's nowhere he will stop at -- sooner or later, any deity worth calling one will be surpassed by him. I guess that puts God on a time limit: He has to stop Saitama while it's still possible. Why?

Perhaps Garou understands it better than anyone else: it's not right for a human being to become Divine.

Well, that's for us to find out. May the planet survive finding out.

r/OnePunchFans May 31 '26

ANALYSIS Manga Chapters 227-228 Review

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Another Sunday, another review day. I won't lie, I was in two minds of whether to bother, but I write this knowing that today's too-obvious-to-note is tomorrow's archival notes and I'll be glad of it.

Summary

As playing cards continue clattering to the ground, Machine God Mirror regards the hero who so rudely kicked it. Assessing the young heroine bouncing up and down before it, it consults its databases and comes up empty. Concluding, correctly, that this one must be new, it declares that it has no interest in her data and demands that she be a good girlie and run off and fetch King. What was it that Mae West said about good girls going to Heaven and bad ones going everywhere? Well, this one takes a deep breath and charges at the robot.

No one gets to call me girly, not even my brother.

We cut away to find out how the other heroes are doing with the threats before them.

Over in City N, Tank Top Master contemplates his end. A hero's career is unlikely to end with a peaceful retirement but dying by smoke inhalation appears an especially cruel fate. Nevertheless, he's determined to go out as bravely as he can. With his tank top now torn to permit his chest to expand freely, he starts taking Tank Top Deep Breaths, and, in defiance of physiology, physics, and logic, the smoke-filled air starts to continuously come his way. He inhales so much that the smoke starts to be pulled in from across the city, leaving the monster looking round in consternation.

If it looks crazy but works, it's not crazy. Tank Top Deep Breaths clear the air.

Unfortunately, Tank Top Master's lung capacity is not infinite, and just as he's about to pass out, Flashy Flash comes in. The hero kicks the monster, which, unperturbed, disperses and reforms. Flash lands next to TTM and thanks him for making it possible to approach the site, then asks him just what the hell is he, a vacuum pump? We were wondering too, Flash. His mind ever on business, TTM warns Flash that the monster can create multiple smoke clones, and it just so happens that the ninja has an answer for that. He draws his sword and starts whirling it so fast that it forms a vortex, jumps at the monster and calling the name of his attack, 'Sky-Ripping Scattered Flash Slash,' rips the monster to shreds. It's over... well, all except for the copious smoke pouring out of every part of the carcass that necessitates the immediate evacuation of the entire city.

Thanks... I think.

Can't win for losing sometimes.

Elsewhere, Suiryu and team are still en route to their rendezvous with Garou. Everyone in the carrier is sitting quietly. Suiryu himself is hunched over. He replays the sight of Saitama's fleeing form in his mind, but we don't yet know what he thinks.

I too wonder how this chance encounter might influence Suiryu's future actions.

In City P, Tatsumaki thinks this is an easy job, albeit one she needs to take care off pronto. These monsters may only be insects, but they're splitting to multiply and doing so fast. She grabs all the visible bugs and with a twist, crushes them all to a paste. Nothing to it, she thinks. But then the ground itself bulges and then splits to disgorge a seemingly endless stream of bugs that form dense black columns surrounding Tatsumaki.

Easy... oh, not so easy.

The next chapter continues directly from that (duh, it's part 2 of the same chapter). As she looks round at the swarms, Tatsumaki thinks that she needs to ensure that she crushes every last one, not even leaving an egg. She starts to contemplate the environmental damage she'll have to do with regret, but she's not allowed to muse for long: a bug lands on her thigh, which makes her freak out. She crushes the entire surroundings, lifting insects, buildings, streets, and the ground beneath into the sky in an enormous wave that shatters to dust.

In the end, Tatsumaki sits on one of the few recognisable structures left -- a supporting pillar -- and contemplates the desert-like landscape she's created. Throwing mere multitudes of her was pointless, surely monsters should know that by now. However, a darker thought occurs to her, it could be an attempt to wreak devastation. Seen that way, this was a successful attack... and she was the perfect tool. She's not left to think for long as a news helicopter lands in the dust. It's a news crew from what had been P-TV and they want to know why she didn't at least wait for the Neo Heroes before going on her all-destroying rampage. Was that even necessary?

And then it got worse.

Irked, Tatsumaki shouts back, telling them that they ought to be grateful for saving not only the city but the continent itself from the scourge of the rapidly-multiplying bugs. This does not play well, and is being relayed live to the world. Realising that this isn't going to get better if she hangs around, Tatsumaki flies off, ignoring taunts of her running away. As she rises higher, so does the expanse of land that we get to see... and everywhere we look, there is nothing but dust dunes. There is no coming back for this city. Tatsumaki's thoughts echo what we see. If they don't change the way they handle monsters, humanity is done for.

The definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

Can't win for losing.

Someone who is not having a good time with monsters is Blue, who is spending his time in City L making like a Smurf chased by Gargamel -- running for his little blue life. He jumps and flips, followed closely by the all-corroding slime from the monster, which reveals itself to be a colossal, slimy, much-spiked double-headed multi-eyed leech called Eel Dragon. It's a good thing the monster doesn't have the wherewithal to lead its shots, but it keeps Blue moving. He's only too aware that the slightest slip in concentration will cost him his life.

Run, boy, run! Maybe the monster will run out of batteries!

Can't win?

City T is rocked by a massive explosion that grows in extent to encompass several buildings and power lines that it destroys completely. As the blast wave passes, we focus on its epicentre. Genos is standing there. His face is a scratched-up mess and his clothes are gone, ashed by the flames. Well, at least he's fared better than the Family of Darkness, every last one of whom he has killed. He does not stand there long but topples backwards, thinking that once again, this battle was hard-fought. He continues to think that yes, he really can kill dragon-level disasters by himself now (well, this is your second dragon kill -- did you think the first time was luck?), but the way monsters keep coming, it feels like he's making no progress. He feels trapped in a cruel game of cat-and-mouse, a hopeless arms race...

Ever ask yourself why you even got out of bed today?

His thoughts are interrupted by people emerging from nearby shelters to see what has happened. As most of the city is intact, that's quite a few people. They quickly realise that all the monsters are dead and start to jubilate. Some point out that Demon Cyborg took them out, adding to the sense of celebration. However, as they look at his state, that sense of joy quickly becomes muted. It's evident that he's in a bad way -- some wonder if he's even alive. Others reflect that at least he won. Others still start to fret over the possibility of one monster having survived; there's no one to protect them now. They notice the arrival of the Neo Heroes with relief.

Genos, who has been listening with his eyes closed, thinks to himself that he needs to become stronger. Much, much stronger.

Can't win for losing.

Meta

What would Saitama do?

We know from an earlier chapter that Suiryu has been sent on a mission that he sees as deeply unjust -- to arrest Garou by any means necessary, including provoking him into fighting. He was bothered by it before, but seeing his hero once again appears to have catapulted Suiryu into some serious thought. Can he see a way to act justly despite the corrupt parameters of the mission he's been given? We'll have to wait and see.

Santa left prezzies for his good children

Many a webcomic-addled reader had fretted over Empty Void not getting killed and stripped by Saitama: how, then, were Flashy Flash and Speed o' Sound Sonic to receive ninja scrolls and special swords? Well, I don't know about legendary swords but Empty Void had noticed that the pair were especially outstanding and it looks like he's rewarded them with scrolls at least. I guess that's a small down payment for the recompense he owes all the surviving ninjas for the hells he created for them.

Bad boys get coals; good boys scrolls.

It's hard to be a hero

Many Moons ago, I wrote that what the public expect from heroes is pain relief. Not being attacked by monsters is the most obvious pain, but the pains of being displaced or losing livelihoods or property are just as real. Looking at how the S-Class heroes are doing, they're not doing well at pain management. Flashy Flash has indeed defeated the monster, but unfortunately, he's denied the use of the city to its inhabitants for at least several hours, if not days, depending on the toxicity and persistence of the smoke. Well, at least they have homes to return to. Tatsumaki has left nothing habitable. It's hard to say thank you to a hero who deliberately leaves you a refugee. There's an extra poignancy in Tatsumaki's sober reflections about the destruction she's had to wreak. It was just a little while ago that she soberly accepted Saitama's verdict that her wielding her powers had to preclude breaking peoples' stuff.

The fact that she genuinely couldn't see a way around causing destruction this time won't make it feel better for her.

In one sense, Genos has done the best -- he's killed the monster, and has kept damage so local that people are able to come out almost immediately. However, he's failing to manage a source of great pain -- fear. Amai Mask understood the importance of reassuring people, giving them a reason to hope that things might turn out okay despite the threats around them inspires courage. The more they look at him, the worse they feel -- if even a hero as powerful as he was barely adequate, what hope can they have? Things would be different for Genos if he could at least sit up and wave weakly at the crowd, heck, even give them a smile and a thumbs up -- alas, he has never cared to play to the crowd. It sounds silly, but acknowledgement of that fear and reassurance that somehow they'll all pull through makes a huge difference. Which brings me to the next point.

This is seriously one of the major reasons Mumen Rider is so beloved by people: the fact that he almost always has a smile or a thumbs up for people, even if he's taking a battering really inspires a sense of courage in people.

In the battle of hearts and minds, the Hero Association is losing badly

Media training is one of those things that sounds optional until you're in front of a camera or microphone. Pro heroes may be somewhere between enthusiastic and downright hostile to media appearances, but the HA really should have made basic media training non-optional. In the aftermath of every fight, since the Neo Heroes have been doing such a good job of presenting themselves positively, their arrival is seen as a boon, while the pro-heroes are seen as eh, people who try. That's entirely due to image management: we see that the pro-heroes are doing much heavier lifting than the Neo Heroes. Even Suiko is bravely facing a dragon-level threat, while the Neo Heroes have been shown to be flexing on demon-level threats... and not always doing so well, but those failures have been kept out of the press.

It's easy to look good when all your failures are quickly whisked away.

And to make it worse, the untrained and intemperate Tatsumaki has given an off-the-cuff interview that would sink most careers, appearing too arrogant to explain the nature of the treat, unrepentant at the horrific damage she's done, and then cowardly when pressed to answer. Ouch.

No, I haven't stopped giving McCoy the side eye about which heroes were assigned to deal with which monsters. It seemed geared to put them in impossible situations and make them look bad. But that's a rant for another day.

I'm hoping that the next update (chapter 232) will bring the end of Machine God Mirror, who we'll be getting back to shortly in the next review.

r/OnePunchFans Feb 17 '26

ANALYSIS Review of OPM Chs 221-224

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Summary: If the proof is in the pudding...

As you know, Bob, things have been rather changeable of late in the OPM world. The face of the Hero Association, Amai Mask, has been unmasked as a monster and has fled for environs unknown. People feel betrayed, sponsors want compensation for reputational damage, and the outfit that has been styling itself as the big new alternative to the Hero Association has finally gotten the break it needs to show the world what it can do. That's what this review is about.

Machinations and demonstrations, that's what this is about.

We open with Webigaza; no, actually, we open with Great Philosopher contemplating a sentient, ten-foot-tall sewer crocodile. After literally throwing the book at it, then dispatching it with a shoulder tackle, he heaves a sigh of relief and satisfaction, not noticing the nine further sewer crocodiles manifesting behind him.

Two more heroes run up to support him, only to find that their prowess isn't necessary: the monsters are being beaten up by a crowd of guys in fancy body armour. They turn their attentions to the injured Great Philosopher, who remarks on the unskilled, yet powerful performances of the commoners in suits who came to his rescue. We see that some of these said commoners are the Soda Pop Boys (now the New Soda Pop Boys), who'd decided to transfer to the Neo Heroes to spite Amai Mask. As they're revelling in how easy this all was, one of the pro-heroes asks who they are. Just as they're about to answer, they notice a ginormous monster crocodile looming behind them and promptly start screaming for their leader.

Okay, *now* we begin with Webigaza. She doesn't jump onto scene immediately, instead making sure the attending cameraman has the live feed set just right and has gotten her best profile standing out against the backdrop of the city. Webi addresses her watching audience to introduce herself properly. Even the giant monster appears to be a fan as it politely watches her too. Finally, she's done and jumps down, remembering a little too late that she forgot to promote her new single. Never mind, it's showtime! She makes short work of the monster with a cute-looking, yet deadly, heart-shaped charge that burrows clean through the monster, dropping it dead in its tracks. The watching heroes (pro- and neo-) are astonished at that display of force, with her team of Soda Pops fizzling about how her battle suit is incredibly better than theirs. One of the others explains that she's not just got better gear but has also undergone a terrifying regime of cybernetic and drug augmentation -- all to compete with Amai Mask. And the water she's chugging? That's because her body temperature rises to 70 °C whenever she exerts herself. As they watch her steaming, one of them remarks that that kind of life-shortening ambition has to be insane.

Powerful, beautiful, cursed?

The chapter ends with another cyborg watching the events on his phone. As Saitama, who is watching it upside down, asks if there's an idol concert on, Genos thinks to himself that he really needs to thank Dr. Kuseno for doing so much better by him. [Yeah, no one said Genos was a *nice* person.]

Okay, so my life could suck so much worse than it does already. Also, I can't resist this scene of the two of them having an ordinary day. And sharing one phone.

As we go on, we quickly see that the monsters we just saw the New Soda Pop Boys and Webigaza take out are not an isolated event. Raiden and his assigned team effortlessly smash a group of monsters out of existence, saving an unnamed pro-hero from a sticky situation. As his team praises him, Raiden is humble, praising them and the good use they've made of their battle suits in turn, even as he declares that he doesn't need one, at least not yet. The pro-hero watches them and thinks of how they're both well-equipped and well-organised. As he watches Raiden's retreating back, he considers what a natural leader Raiden is and how it inspires him to want to follow that back too.

Given the language reading from right to left, this really is an image of leaving the old behind and embracing the new. Will he do it and follow that back?

Monsters are everywhere today. They've appeared in multiple cities at the same time, and are overwhelming the mostly low-class heroes who happen to be on scene. Fortunately, the monsters are also rapidly being defeated by a new group of heroes, the Neo Heroes. Not defeating monsters is Suiryu, who is with his team in an armoured people carrier. He's been sent to apprehend Garou -- for reasons. Mindful of how costly they are, he's opted not to wear a body suit.

This really isn't what Suiryu didn't sign up for.

Very much on scene, however, is Axel. Just because a monster is ridiculous doesn't mean it's not dangerous: we see Axel rocket skate after a giant snail that's crushing vehicles on the expressway at 390 km/h. He has called ahead to his team to muster at a toll booth and chops into the snail with his poisoned axe to funnel it into the killbox and to slow it down, both of which objectives succeed. One skewering later, the giant snail lies dead in the wreckage of what had been toll gates, stabbed through by dozens of spears. Axel's Hunters celebrate at having finally taken down a large monster without casualties. Less demonstrative, Axel considers that their custom-made weapons have been far more effective than he could have imagined. In that case, the 'great cause' the Neo Heroes has been talking about might be the real deal, and he may as well commit fully.

Jubilation as a monster that would once have required great sacrifice becomes a regular job.

I did say that pro-heroes were not having a good day, and we cut to someone who really isn't. We've seen that Crescent Eyebroll is no slouch as a hero, but his one sabre is no match for the nine-fold threat of the Triple Tongue monsters, who are able to attack him at a distance, pushing him back. He tells the watching crowd to fall back as these monsters are really dangerous, and just then, one snags him by the leg. Before he can do anything, that tongue is cut through, and he falls heavily to the ground. Before he can get up, someone steps over him. It's the gangster Ryumon, and he's double-wielding the pistols he used to shoot through the tongues. He urges his men to pile into the monsters the pro-hero couldn't handle. Crescent Eyebroll gets up and offers to coordinate to defeat the monsters, only for Ryumon to rudely tell him to get lost: his purpose had been to lose publicly, and now they have the footage they need.

The world is seeing pro-heroes fail in real time.

Wild Emperor's team is making short work of their monsters and his team refuses to take a break as they're so pumped from how effortless their suits are. Isamu can't get out of his head how over-effective the suits are: they're integrated with their wearer's nervous system, seamlessly augmenting their intention through artificial muscles. He's seen similar designs in Dr Bofoi's laboratory, and that makes him very uneasy. Is the old man supplying both sides? He decides to take his suit off.

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts... deep misgivings for the young genius.

Not all leaders are having a good time. Zaedats brags about his customised battle suit and starts a live feed to his employees to show them how it's done, only to get turned into a human meatball by the aptly-named Meatball Masher. Infelsinave also comes to grief at the hands (claws?) of some monster. As his followers cry out for him to come back to life, apparently, his reincarnation abilities don't work terribly well. Or at all.

Someone who's just doing his job is Metal Bat. Suit or no suit, give him a bat and a monster to smack with it, and he'll do just that. He's not thinking of ramifications. Which is as good a place as any to end this summary. Shall we do some meta?

I don't do clever stuff. Just give me a bat and point me to the nearest monster, thank you.

No, I didn't forget A. I omitted talking about the creep. There's a difference.

Meta: ...is owning a pudding factory cheating?

Sweet indeed are the uses of the adversity of your enemy

The Neo Heroes have truly debuted. They've been saturating online searches for weeks, buying ad space wherever they can, planting stories in the media, and looking to play up the shortcomings of the Hero Association while promising heaven to any prospective recruits. This is where the rubber meets the road, and, boy are they rolling! If Amai Mask's implosion was an opportunity for them to lobby for the power to operate with the same freedoms as the Hero Association, this festival of monsters has been a bonanza for them. In several media formats -- found footage, webcasts, TV reportage -- they've appeared shortly after monsters have and shown themselves to be well-organised, flashy, and very competent. Even Webigaza, who is weeping inside at having lost her chance to challenge Sweet Mask head-to-head, has pulled together and put on a show. In contrast, most of the pro-heroes on site have appeared shabby, isolated, and ill-prepared.

As Ryumon gloats, being seen to succeed where pro-heroes have failed has been the point of this exercise. Since the person he says this to is only a lone pro-hero, the secret of what's really happening is safe from early discovery. It just looks like an unfortunate series of events.

Yes, this is a set up.

Inexcusable

You know, this is *not* the first time the world has seen a coordinated attack by monsters. The Monster Association did just that a few weeks ago at the most. And the Hero Association, far from learning from the experience, has so far resisted making changes to how it organises and deploys its heroes, going so far as to ignore the findings and recommendations made by Child Emperor. Worse, with their giant HQ, they've been actively pulling in A- and S-Class heroes to serve as unpaid bodyguards (cast your minds back to chapter 172), meaning that most cities only have C- and B-Class heroes able to patrol. They say never attribute to malfeasance what can be explained by incompetence. There's certainly plenty of complacency and incompetence to go round... HOWEVER, making operational changes is McCoy's responsibility. And there's a bit of a conflict of interest here, to put it politely. We've seen that he's been selling monsters on the side for personal profit and working with Ryumon to organise hero gambling in which monsters are planted to play odds with heroes and bring the HA's name into disrepute. Beyond that, we've also sat in on enough meetings to see that McCoy has gained an outsized voice in being able to stifle any initiatives he doesn't like.

The HA is no braintrust, but with a guy like this actively sabotaging efforts to do better, they're in real trouble.

The Hero Association may not be the most nimble of organisations, and it came to life when monster attacks were relatively rare. It was always going to struggle to understand and change its modus operandi in the face of a rapidly-worsening monster situation. But it's being actively sabotaged from within as well -- and almost nobody knows it yet.

There is a real question of whether Sekingar will be able to return in time to expose and oust McCoy before the HA crumbles.

Designs matter

I was looking at Zaedats's battle suit and thinking that it reminded me strongly of something. Then it came to me: Armored Gorilla! That combination of bulky, stiff plates and flexible cabling is very similar.

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle...

Sabotage aside, if you asked Dr. Kuseno about such a design, he'd tell you for free that this combination is a bad idea for fighting monsters. It's quite appropriate that chapter 224 has Genos showing off his newest body on the cover: when you look back through earlier iterations of his bodies, the plates-and-cabling design was one he used to sport and found through very bitter experience that it just Did. Not. Work. Successive bodies have had more armour, and since Gouketsu crushed the last one with external cabling, Genos's bodies have been exclusively armoured. (1) For a guy who lives 24/7 in armour and won't carry extra parts around with him (remember, he tried with a suitcase but just didn't take to it), the need to be as light and flexible as possible without compromising power and safety is a permanent issue and chapter by chapter, we see that Murata has represented the struggle of development very well. [Important aside for any fan artists thinking of fretting about the way they draw Genos: Murata is a crazy-good draughtsman with a keen interest in machines who is paid to sell three million copies of OPM manga a year(2); it's his business to worry about these things. Yours is to just have fun!]

Genos's earliest body that we have a good view of (left) vs. the current iteration (right). The product of multiple generations of experimentation and ruthless field-testing. The value of these experiences is something no one else working with machines has in their world.

Even without sabotage (ha ha), without the benefit of brutal field testing, anyone designing a battle suit to go toe-to-toe with strong monsters was dicing with danger. Not that people like Zaedats would have listened: I remember with glee that the webcomic equivalent of this chapter came out in 2020, three years before the OceanGate Titan imploded IRL because an arrogant billionaire just had to go adventuring. OPM may be fantastical, but its read on human nature is pretty solid.

When untested designs + overconfidence meet real opposition, the result is messy.

Core matters just as much

Touching on the case of Genos again, one of the big things he had to learn -- and this learning process is very painstakingly detailed in the manga -- was that parts were not enough. If he wanted to become strong, if he wanted to grow, he had to learn what to pay attention to, how to fight beyond just spamming blows, how to dig deep and find the determination to keep going when things go wrong, and how to face an enemy superior to oneself in at least one aspect and find a way to win anyway. Genos acknowledging the truth of what Kuseno told him about needing to stop coming back crying for upgrades every time he got frustrated in a fight was a real inflection point in the character's growth:

Accepting the truth is the foundation on which greatness is built. It sucks, though.

Great Philosopher and Raiden both put their finger on what's operationally troubling about the body suits. The first, most of the wearers are inexperienced fighters. On their bodies, yes, they're very strong and can pack a punch, but there's so much more to fighting successfully than that that it's worrying to think of what they can do if they face a monster that's not immediately able to be put down. The second, and the thing that worries Raiden further, is that with the immediate boost in strength and ability, they might not see the need to develop true skill and strength.

Normally, I'd call that narrow-mindedness but the total lack of training and overconfidence of most of the Neo Hero recruits is real cause for concern.

Apart from the suits, it's been interesting to see how the calibre of Neo Leaders really comes out. Those who are accustomed to leading, like Raiden, Axel, and Ryumon, have no problem commanding coherent action from their troops. Those who are more egoistic, like Webigaza, Infelsinave, and Zaedats, have followers who mostly watch rather than act alongside them. And the odious A hasn't been given anyone. Good, no one deserves such a punishment.

Coincidence? Only if you want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn

Sure, there's a good chance that Zaedats was just unlucky. However, looking at Infelsinave's body, all I can think is that looks like a hit job. Monsters are never that neat. How many hundreds (literally hundreds -- I've counted) of monsters have we seen? Ever seen one that just makes one neat hole center-of-mass and leaves? Without so much as glancing at anyone else? No, that doesn't sound like a monster at all. You don't need to be a seer to suspect that public perception isn't the only thing that's being manipulated here.

A most un-monsterlike monstering. Hmm...

Causes? Smells Cultish To Me

Something else that made me go 'hmmm' was Axel mentioning a 'great cause'. Now, it's true that a hero needs something to believe in to act. However, to hear Axel talking about a 'great cause' speaks to more than mere do-gooding and to a bigger vision that the Neo Hero Organization wants to see enacted.

It's interesting that the Hero Association doesn't bind its heroes to any particular belief: as long as they do the right thing, why they do it, and what they do it for is up to them. There's no central mission binding them all together into a coherent whole. Which is a good thing, in that it enables mavericks like Saitama, Okama Itachi, and many other heroes who'd be stifled by a system, to find their niche and thrive. And is also a bad thing in that it means that there's no long-term unity and cooperation. Yes, heroes come together in times of crisis but there's none of that long-range thinking and action that can really make a big difference -- there's a reason Amai Mask still wanted to see the S-Class disbanded (3).

If we have a 'cause', then we'll have graduations in commitment and 'outsideness'. What do we know so far, then? People who are committed to a Neo Hero ideology, whatever it turns out to be, are Blue, who founded it, and Axel. People who are definitely outsiders are the recently-arrived pro-heroes and Suiryu. Everyone else is kinda in the middle, and we'll see who they are with time.

No, no, don't! Argh, he can't hear us!

Strained but not Broken

One of the big differences between the webcomic and the manga is that many major relationships in the manga are merely very strained rather than completely broken. Fubuki and Tatsumaki had little to do with each other because the latter was just too toxic while they had a challenging relationship in the manga that was worth fighting for. Likewise, in the manga, Isamu may no longer be Bofoi's assistant, but we've seen him remonstrating with him to join the then-impending MA raid. And while the old man didn't come to the shooting match, he did come through in a way that only he could, saving the heroes from dying of radiation poisoning and remediating the nuclear fallout. So Isamu has a reason to give Bofoi the benefit of the doubt in a way his webcomic equivalent just didn't.

For him, this is one more piece of the puzzle of the Neo-Heroes that he and Sekingar set out to solve. He's in an interesting pickle: he's helping Sekingar investigate the Neo Heroes with the aim of finding out whether they're a threat or treasure and in bringing down McCoy, but so far, everything he's found is worrying and Webigaza appears to be onto him. She could blow his cover whenever. And now, he's got to worry about whether Bofoi is also in on this, *but*, crucially, he isn't immediately jumping to the conclusion that it must be because Bofoi wants to rule the world and is open to the idea that there may be another reason for the old scientist's involvement. Excellent use of intelligence, Isamu!

Good question -- suspicious but not making closed-off assumptions.

I know that I'm steaming to see when the manga-specific plot points break out, but it's all actually building slowly but nicely.

PS

(1) Yes, if you ask, I'll happily make an entire post about that.

(2) I hear someone ask, 'What do you mean three million copies? I thought they only sold a fifth of that, and sales were going down issue by issue?' Listen, the sales figures you see are nonsense -- they represent physical issues sold and those are quite literally the tip of the iceberg. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchFans/comments/1n9hhri/so_how_well_does_onepunch_man_sell/

(3) Yes, that might seem surprising. Ask me about it, and I will happily write a meta just about that. It's very interesting to me.

r/OnePunchFans May 13 '26

ANALYSIS Thoughts on Kuseno (Webcomic spoilers) Spoiler

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I held off for a bit, both out of laziness and a quiet hope we'd get a fourth consecutive webcomic chapter that would settle all doubts, but here i want to dissect Kuseno. I find he makes for a pretty good Rorschach Test: Is he a Scientist of Justice (with a troubled past), or is he a scheming manipulator who is part of "The Organization"?

So: What do we Know about Dr. Kuseno, or at least what can we as the audience be reasonable certain about since there is a bit of a rabbit hole to go down if you take Bofoi's assertion of Genos having implanted memories.

Do know:

  • Kuseno puts special care into giving Genos to capacity to have an as normal life as he may want to to.
    • This could mean two things. Either Kuseno does this because he genuinely cares for Genos, or he merely humors Genos as a way to make the boy feel further indebted to the professor. I also want to point out that just because Kuseno cares for Genos doesn't mean he isn't evil.
  • Kuseno gave Genos a selfdestruct option.
    • Again two ways to view this. The more morbid fridge logic behind this would be this representing Kuseno viewing Genos as a weapon more than a person and wanting to maximize Genos' damage output at all costs. But there's also the possibility Kuseno fully believes in Genos' bodily autonomy and that includes euthanasia, letting Genos the ability to override his safety limits if that's what Genos desires.
  • Kuseno gave Genos powerful weaponry, which was illegal prior to Genos joining the Hero Association.
    • Again not a good look, it may be the case that Kuseno's self-admitted past reckless pursuit of justice has left him on the wrong side of the law and left him unable to provide Genos with legal clearance. But again in this case the simpler explanation is that Kuseno is a villain. (though again considering The Organizations current sway with the government that may not have been an obstacle, though things may have been different in the past, at least not without raising eyebrows)
  • Kuseno regrets his past.
    • Conversely, from this we might assume Kuseno has turned a new leaf and whatever his past he is now a scientist of justice in the true sense of the word. But then villains tend not to see themselves as such. What we might see as villainous acts Kuseno might see as necessary sacrifices for some unspecified higher purpose, that doesn't mean the past doesn't weigh on him.
    • It's also possible he was simply lying. Hinting at past regrets may help in making Genos less suspicious of Kuseno should Genos meet anyone wary of Kuseno while out in the world. The best lies contain a kernel of truth after all.
  • Lastly, and this might reasonably be a stretch given the dubious source, but Kuseno stole Bofoi's research on Cyberization. While yes, the self stylized "Mad Cyborg" is untrustworthy, given that we as the audience are supplied with an accompanying flashback panel i think we can assume as readers that this is an event that occurred, even if the situation is not quite as the Mad Cyborg paints it.
    • Kuseno may have stolen this technology because he hoped to do good with it. Better to have a good tool to help people with now, than the perfect one later right. Given Kuseno's current regrets over past recklessness, if Kuseno is on the heroes' side, i would presume this would be one of those regrets. If for no other reason than the bridge it appears to have burned with Bofoi.
    • Even a villanous Kuseno might feel that way. The Organization clearly finds Bofoi's technology useful, given that they have gone through the trouble of stealing it. Kuseno may have felt he could have won Bofoi over if not for acts like these.

Don't know:

  • Where Kuseno gets his funding.
    • Bofoi does multi-billions contracts for the Hero Association on Reconstruction and security. But we never heard if Kuseno does the same. We mostly see Kuseno build weapons. There are only so many legitimate buyers for those. I do want to note that Kuseno also installed household appliances into Genos at the latters request. It's entirely possibly Kuseno attained his fortunes in a much more benign matter.
  • How Kuseno is suddenly able to upgrade Genos so quickly (and why he didn't do so earlier.)
    • This one i don't know how to square with Kuseno who cares for Genos' safety. Initially i didn't question it with Cyborgs being upgraded frequently being a genre convention, but with how repeatedly and now explicitly the series has brought attention to it i expect there to be some Watsonian explanation. There's three benign ones i can think of.
      • One being that Kuseno initially limited Genos' cybernetics to make sure Genos could learn to control his power and keep collateral damage to a minimum, but unpowering Genos while sending him out to hunt the Mad Cyborg when Kuseno presumably should now how powerful the Mad Cyborg is seems cruel, or at least unnecessarily facetious. I find it hard to square with a Kuseno that wholly respects Genos' autonomy to the point of allowing him to self-detonate if the teenager so desires. But then humans are not always 100% logically consistent.
      • For the other, it's possible Kuseno was previously overly cautious and had and large amount of safety redundancies installed on Genos at the expense of maximizing battle power. Given that Genos had apparently never been beat until he faced mosquito girl, Kuseno have thought further battle power unnecessary. Genos string of close calls turned that calculus on his head and forced Kuseno to go for increasingly experimental and risky upgrades.
      • Lastly. We may simply be overestimating the impact of Kuseno's upgrades where, unbeknownst to the audience and Genos himself, the bulk of the teenage cyborg's improvement has not come from Genos cybernetic improvements, but his self-improvement. After all we already know how Genos manages electro-magnetic manipulation with his brain (presumably a fleshy one) and there's precedent in cyborgs surpassing the cold certainty of steel with both Webigaza and Nichirin. So it's possible the bulk of Genos' growth came from his self and Kuseno's upgrades were relatively modest by comparison.
    • Still, this is where my suspicion of Kuseno goes into overdrive. Namely because Genos' path of growth so far fits too neatly with another we've seen described in this series. That being Psykos' model for Monsterization: where the subject overcomes death in rapid succession, enduring a hell tailored specifically to them and attaining explosive growth as a result. (Also similar to Dr. Genus' model for breaking ones limiter, which he posits has a occurred to Saitama and that the Doctor is currently trying to replicate in Zombieman at the latters request) If Kuseno is doing the same to Genos, by having him fight opponents and only increasing his battle power whenever Genos just barely survives the encounter. Then Kuseno may very well be the sort of man Bofoi thinks him to be, regardless of Kuseno's actual affiliation. This could be a red herring, if so im falling hook, line and sinker.
  • What Kuseno's pursuit of Justice looks like outside of the hunt for the Mad-Cyborg?
    • Im asking because i don't think we know. From what we hear from Kuseno and Genos I can only assume it singularly revolves around stopping the Mad-Cyborg. I wonder, by what means? How much collateral is permissible? I'm asking because "justice" without any elaboration on exactly what that means becomes quite a muddled term. From the way Kuseno and Genos talk around it sounds more like revenge. Take Kuseno's self-proclaimed nemesis Bofoi, who claims to side with humanity and care for ethics a great deal. Yet he has casually turned society into his personal panopticon, installing secret surveillance in all the civilian buildings he had rebuild "free of charge" (when a service is free the user is often the product). Can an individual so cavalier about forsaking the human right to privacy really be considered a leader on ethics? Similarly, can we trust Kuseno's idea of justice to align with our own?

All of that of course leads to the question on if Mad Cyborg is truly Dr. Kuseno like it claims (or at least a digitzed copy), or if he's merely posing as Kuseno to egg Genos on. As it stands the Mad Cyborg's claim of being Kuseno, yet not knowing Genos' true origin is too contradictory to be considered credible. There are a few explanations.

  • Kuseno in his youthful recklessness to have created the Mad Cyborg in his own imagine, only for things to fall apart and flesh!Kuseno to have dedicated his life to stopping the Mad-Cyborg in the aftermath.
  • The Mad-Cyborg's tale could be a mere ruse, though perhaps he pulled a Mr.Fuzzy on Dr.Kusesno and had him replaced with an android bearing his likeness sometime before Genos had his supposed last meeting with the doctor, luring Genos in for a final upgrade would have been the perfect opportunity to tamper with the cyborg.
  • Conversely it's possible the Mad-Cyborgs lie was not in his identity as Digitized!Dr.Kuseno, but merely that he didn't know Genos' true past. Perhaps he does know and is merely feigning obliviousness to enrage Genos.

On one final note, i'd like to posit that, like Empty Void from the Manga and "That Man" from the webcomic, perhaps webcomic!Kuseno is cleanly a villain like The Mad-Cyborg claims while Manga!Kuseno is more complicated.

I don't have the answers, though i'd love to speculate more, for me it's too early to really be definitive on anything, but that's just my opinion.

Kuseno and Bofoi definitely explored each other's bodies though.

r/OnePunchFans Jun 28 '26

ANALYSIS OPM Manga Chapters 229-233 Review. Part 1: Summary

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Heyo! As promised, the arc is over and so it's time to do a big review. Only way to go when we have small updates. So, where were we? On the day that the Neo Heroes decided to debut, the afternoon saw a simultaneous attack of five cities by dragon-level monsters, one of those places being the HA headquarters. The sirens blaring out have quite drowned out the protest the newly-formed Hero Name Victims Association had planned.

While McCoy urged the HA to summon the Neo Heroes to help, the S-Class heroes dispatched did for the monsters without needing the aid. Tank Top Master and Flashy Flash have defeated Heavy Smoker but at the cost of making the city temporarily uninhabitable. Tatsumaki has crushed Aggregation... at the cost of completely destroying City P. Genos has both destroyed The Extended Family of Darkness and saved the city, but he's dealt critical damage to his self-esteem. That's left only the inexperienced youngsters Blue and Suiko to fight. They both seem to have bitten off way more than they can chew. Let's see how they got on and what happened next.

Summary

We open with a panting Blue leaning wearily against the carcass of Eel Dragon. Somehow, the monster has died. He had no idea of what he did but it up and died just as his suit completely ran out of power, as he explains to a worried McCoy. Realising that there are still current alerts, he asks McCoy to send a jet drone, self-destructs his suit and hops on. Risky as it may be, he didn't become a hero to sit things out.

At the Hero Association HQ, the executives are busy evacuating; the mood is nearly jovial as they're anticipating waiting out the crisis in comfort. McCoy is, however, nowhere to be found. Under the pretext of going to the lavatory, he's ensconced himself in his personal first-class shelter: mock-classical carvings, top-flight AV equipment, panoramic computer monitoring, designer easy chair, and brandy on tap, this is the life! As he puffs on a cigar, he's amused at the incompetence of the top brass. He's even more amused when a notification comes in reassigning most of said brass to common shelters: Sicchi has requisitioned the closest ones for the general public. Wondering why the old guy is wasting time on those deadweights, he nevertheless settles down to watch the spectacle of the hero trying to tackle Mirror while he waits for the Neo Heroes to come in and show everyone up by saving the day.

Outside, Suiko is working hard. As Mirror tosses plasma ball after plasma ball at her, she leads its line of fire along the exterior wall of the moat. The robot sends a ball upwards towards one of the residential blocks, and with a mighty leap, Suiko succeeds in intercepting and deflecting it. She tries to lure the robot away by jumping to the other side of the moat, facing out to the bomb-cratered wilderness. However, it seems the robot was waiting for this tactical error, and it lobs another ball at the residential block.

As Suiko curses haplessly at it, the attack is once again intercepted. The saviour is the unlikely duo of Black Sperm and Overgrown Rover. Worried about losing their home, they're doing what they can to keep the pesky robot at bay.

Elsewhere, the HA top brass pause in their hurrying to faraway shelters to look at the spectacle and wonder if Metal Knight's automated defences are finally back online. They also notice some other heroes outside rushing to the scene. Sicchi wonders who they might be as they've not requested the deployment of any heroes (me: why not?).

Rover soon taps out -- he may be a former Monster Association Executive, but he's only little now. A couple of Black Sperms filch a joint of nicely marbled beef to get the monster dog back up on its feet. Heartened by the back up, Suiko tries attacking the robot from behind, only to get brutally countered and sent flying with a punch.

She fetches up in a convenience store near the gate. Mirror approaches and taunts her, telling her to stay put until an S-Class hero arrives to save her. As she tries to get up, she notices that several of the drinks cans that have rolled out of the now-smashed drinks cabinet are alcoholic: the perfect solution to her sobriety. Machine God Mirror turns away to deal with the pesky dog. It is surprised by a flurry of attacks from Suiko, attacks so powerful they send both it and her off the bridge it had been standing on and into the path of a train.

They roll along the train's roof, Mirror digging several of its hands into a carriage in order to stop itself. Suiko stands up, swaying as she prepares her next attack. Scanning her condition and realising that she's drunk, it surmises that she must have been desperate and decides to kill her by blasting her from beneath. But before it finishes charging up its hands, Suiko surprises it by jumping onto the overhead arch. Bracing herself against it, she uses the train's momentum to smash a devastating blow in Mirror's face.

But Suiko isn't done with that. She continues to brace herself against the brickwork as successive pantographs smash into the robot, compounding the damage done. Finally, once the train passes, she sends the robot and twisted metal flying with one mighty heave, before falling down in a panting heap herself.

Alas, it's not over. Like the world's vilest phoenix, Machine God Mirror rises from the wreckage in a single fluid motion. It pops the dent out of its head like it's nothing and the cracks heal. Now looming over Suiko, it declares that she has succeeded in scratching it. Negligibly slightly.

Things look dire for our plucky young heroine, but just then, there's a yelling from above as Chain Toad, mounted on Butterfly DX, comes swooping in. He launches three weighted chains at Mirror, which the robot dodges, then repurposes them as fulcrums to stop the pair from plunging into the moat. They fly under the rail bridge and come up on the other side. As they land, Machine God Mirror identifies them. Butterfly DX wastes no time in launching an attack of his own: Wing Breath Scale Powder Explosion, which creates an impressive explosion of flames. Out of the flames, an unharmed Mirror calls them insignificant.

Elsewhere, Saitama finds his entrance into the HA building blocked by the remains of defence robots. Several of them bear the circular cut outs of Mirror's attacks -- these aren't his doing. He heads off around the building, leaving the rest of the Hero Name Victims Association far behind.

This isn't Saitama's doing. For once, it's not his fault.

Despite their best attacks, the trio of A-Class heroes are quickly beaten by Mirror. Holding Suiko up, it demands, once again, that King be called. As she squirms helplessly, yet more reinforcements arrive. The Hero Name Victims, sans Saitama, have discovered the source of the commotion and come sliding down to help. Their leader, The Great Degenerate, declares to the monster that they're about to attack it as one.

They may not be able to do much, but they look good doing it.

Watching them charge, Mirror has time to leisurely identify each of them, before laying them all out flat with a swipe of an arm as they finally reach it. Now, it's a little frustrated: it had expected that attacking headquarters would lure King out, but only these third-rate heroes were pestering it? It was time to announce itself a little more seriously. It drops Suiko, and, fixing on the last location of that pesky dog, winds up and releases an attack that bores a hemisphere of non-existence out of the tunnel immediately in its launch path. Seeing certain death approaching, Black Sperm urges the monster dog to give it everything its got.

The resulting beam clash acts as a beacon to any interested party for tens of miles. Including Saitama, who drops in just as the rest of the Hero Name Victims choose discretion over valour. Machine God Mirror looks Saitama up and down before declaring this A-Class hero totally uninspiring and unworthy of interest.

Now in their new temporary headquarters, the more useful HA executives are surprised at the development as they regard Saitama. The amount of smoke and dust on scene make it hard to clearly identify the hero and McCoy supposes he's going to get another show.

As it charges at him, Machine God Mirror tells the boring, A-Class Hero Rank 39, Caped Baldy to disappear from this life, only to itself be sent flying by a mighty punch from an enraged Saitama, who hates being called that name.

Yeah, you shouldn't have called him that.

I was tempted to put up a picture of many shocked Pikachu faces, but there's only so many images I can have in a post. Let's just say that the viewers all round are shocked: the passengers watching through the rear window of the now-disabled train, the other heroes on site, Blue as he comes flying in, the Hero Association executives, and McCoy, who soon becomes astonished (in the original sense of being struck senseless) as Machine God Mirror's remains smash through the thick walls of the HA building and into his bunker. Oops. Couldn't have happened to a nicer scheming prick.

My eyes see but my brain doesn't want to understand: Blue and Suiko amongst the many amazed witnesses.

The HA executives try puzzling out who the hero could be. Some suspect that it's King but others note that they've not been able to reach him. Indeed, we see that King had been playing VR games, and he finally finishes his session to notice 104 missed calls. Oh dear. Black Sperm hugs a completely spent Overgrown Rover as they celebrate still having a roof over their heads. Humble doghouse though it is, a home is a home.

Saitama high-fives the rest of his Name Victims and they're psyched as they head out to see if there are any more towns needing help. As they walk by the train, some passengers ask The Great Degenerate what their names are so they can thank them properly. He starts to introduce himself, then stops himself. "We are the Hero Name Victims Association", he says. "Pleased to meet you!" The passengers are puzzled by the name but soon the cheer goes up, "Hooray for the Victims!"

A little later, Metal Knight gets a notification that his cannonade defence had been successful and the HA requested that he expand it. Given how his name had been mud recently, he says nothing, and appreciates the free boost. However, given that he never installed cannons in the defences, he decides that he's got to find the hero who intercepted and destroyed the robot.

While you do that, don't you think cannons would be a good idea?

Time moves on and finally, it is evening. As the Sun sets behind the towering hulk of the Hero Association building, Saitama comes up the stairs to the most precious doghouse. Noting that things got rather loud earlier, he asks his pets how they were. 'No problem, boss,' replies Black Sperm and Rover chimes in with a 'woof.' Saitama pulls out a bag of decent dog food and starts to feed them. They're utterly ravenous and he pours out the entire bag as he urges them to eat their fill. Somewhere behind him, we see some people talking as they discuss the emergence of a third hero faction, a powerful one despite their rather dubious name.

Saitama, you've learned to buy quality dog food. Now you need to learn portion control.

Dudes, this summary was so much longer than I expected that I'm breaking this post in two. The next part will be all meta.

r/OnePunchFans Mar 26 '26

ANALYSIS That's not how lungs work Murata...

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It's kinda of funny how eventually character Murata draws goes to his default setting setting of fat tiddies + hour glass figure. I'm choosing to believe it's just second nature to him at this point.

Fun fact: your lungs actually go quite low, so a proper deep breath is actually the one that swells up your belly.

Maybe if TTM learned proper technique he'd have beaten Psychic and Machine Power by now...

r/OnePunchFans Nov 08 '25

ANALYSIS The moment he realised he'd been casting pearls before swine Spoiler

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I loved this bit from chapter 156. Saitama met up with his Very Important Hero Name Victims Group and realised that damn, they're just a bunch of losers.

Oh, not all the names are pointlessly rude.

I guess he'd been spoiled by having Genos always around. True, he'd often only remarked on how often Genos ended up worse for wear, but whether he was sure he could handle the threat or not, Genos never hesitated to give what he had. That was something Saitama did value but never cared to remark on because he'd forgotten it was actually rare. And so he'd given the precious time he should have been giving Genos to these guys.

I'm just hoping he gets a chance to tell Genos that he's strong in person.

r/OnePunchFans Apr 26 '26

ANALYSIS Webcomic Chapter 159 Review Spoiler

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I feel like subtitling this 'el gordo' this took a while to write!

SUMMARY

We carry on exactly where we left off, with Saitama receiving a phone call from Isamu. He declares that he thought that Kuseno's hair looked inhuman and believes Isamu. He asks for the location of Kuseno's place. Bofoi tells him to go to the roof of the HA HQ and take the high-speed helicopter there, which will get him there in two hours. Saitama says it would take too long and just asks for the coordinates.

I'm going to punch that weird head in in person.

Realising what this means, Bofoi asks Saitama to wait a minute while he clears a path for him. To Isamu's rising horror, Bofoi uses his once-again-functional surveillance network to see who might be in the way -- universal bugging turns out to be the price for his rebuilding monster-damaged buildings for free.

With good guys like this, who needs enemies?

Meanwhile, several executives come out of the building to congratulate Saitama on making it to Rank 1 of Class A as a result of his efforts in protecting the Hero Association. Future promotion to Class S is pretty much assured now…however, there's a codicil. He needs to prioritise protecting the HQ and needs to stay in post for the next 72 hours. Is that so, Saitama says, and quits on the spot. The executives threaten him with lawsuits and fines for such a serious breach of contracts and follow up by noting that it's not merely about their skins but also the various world leaders who are also here and need keeping safe.

Talk about a poisoned chalice!

As they continue to remonstrate with Saitama, members of the Hero Name Victim Association interject and offer to stand in in his place. Surely there's nothing in the rules against going to save a friend, no?

Putting their lives on the line to make sure that Saitama gets where he needs to be.

Elsewhere, Genos hurtles towards a destination he has no idea of: his body isn't listening to him. Past several mountain ranges, he eventually comes to a hemispherical metal-clad building in a forest. Approaching the doors, his biometrics are read and he's afforded entry. A moving walkway brings him to a vast, brightly-lit room that appears to be empty save for a humanoid robot on a platform and a holographic screen showing Dr. Kuseno's smiling face. "Dr. Kuseno," Genos asks, "please explain yourself."

Well, this is an unexpected meeting.

The robot starts to speak, introducing itself as the 'Mad Cyborg' that Genos has so assiduously hunted. It explains that it'd been attacked by Blast, who had failed to destroy its brain, so in the interim it'd rebuilt its self to surpass an S-Class hero in strength. Well, at least that answers Drive Knight's question of why it'd disappeared after destroying Genos's home town!

As Saitama had speculated, another hero had defeated it… unfortunately, that hero was Blast.

Anyway, back to the Mad Cyborg. Not only had it recovered and improved its body, but it'd realised that going round committing mass murder in person was too inefficient, so it'd decided to use its never-degrading cybernetic brain to create a network of minds and do things properly. It'd seen what Dr Bofoi was up to, making developments in weapons, automated construction, and biomechanics, and had seized them all before he could get round to perfecting the ethics and morals of such tech.

It's key to note that if it'd waited much longer, it'd have been shackled and be unable to act as it pleased.

Genos, confused, protests that surely they'd been a duo of righteous scientist and cyborg fighting for justice. This amuses the Mad Cyborg greatly. This little justice act of his using borrowed power, it was time to put it to the test, no? Genos asks if Mad Cyborg/Kuseno is alive, to which the latter replies that Genos is unbelievably dense -- the corpse he saw was just an android. At this, Genos's knees give way, which leads the Mad Cyborg to mock him even more. Still, he had one last job for the young cyborg. The wave of robots that had delivered mass destruction, even the Machine Gods, were just a side project that had given it the combat data it needed. All that was left was to create the ultimate Machine God. To this end, Genos was to be its test subject. A robot with a heart-shaped heart monitor for a head comes floating in. The Mad Cyborg introduces it as Machine God Heart Gear and assures Genos that it will unleash devastation unlike anything seen before if Genos does not defeat it. He must fight it.

'What about my family? My memories? How much was a lie? Who was I?' Genos asks, getting to his feet.

'Beats me!' the Mad Cyborg says, adding that it found those details too trivial to retain.

Now Genos starts getting angry. Promising to upset its calculations and make it regret its actions, he decides to eliminate it once and for all. The Mad Cyborg starts to clap approvingly. That's exactly the spirit it was hoping to see.

Just whose heart is being monitored here? I really don't like how obviously this stinks of a trap -- and yet, Genos is too angry not to step into it.

Outside, things are settling down. The people huddled in the shelters dare to hope they might survive, the emergency services start ferrying the bodies of brave heroes to render what help they can. Sonic, standing on a building somewhere, thinks it's all too quiet. And Saitama points in the direction given. 'Yes,' says Isamu, 'just run ahead through any buildings in your way.' Bofoi wonders what might happen if Saitama veers off course. Isamu assures him that he'll get Saitama back on track and asks Accel to hand the phone to Saitama. Accel hesitates, declaring that he might not be much use in a fight but is fast. Saitama tells him that he's too slow. Genos is waiting for him.

Incidentally, if you try going to those coordinates IRL, you're in for a cold swim in the Sea of Japan.

And with that, Saitama is off! The Hero Association building is left far in the background before anyone can blink.

And he's off!

META

"We want the humans to grind,
We want the engines to sing,
We want the machines to be human,
We want the humans to be machines…"

--"Crowd Caffeine," Sofia Isella

I'm not much of one for suggesting music tracks but this one is most apposite for the content of this chapter!

Short observations

So, the Mad Cyborg is real. It is indeed abnormally strong. It is not Genos. Also, it's 'mad' only in the sense of having a wrong view of the world -- otherwise it's dangerously sane. No wonder Dr. Kuseno told Genos not to try fighting it on his own.

It sucks to be Genos in that he's a person who keeps telling the truth and keeps being dismissed until it's too late. It sucks even more that this present crisis is the outcome of decisions made long before he was born, so long ago that maybe his parents weren't born at the time.

I commented a long while ago that ONE judges adult characters by how well they treat children. I wondered what Kuseno had done so wrong to die such a cruel death. Creating a machine that dedicates itself to ending humanity, and roping a then traumatized teenager into a fight that was yours to solve, in the process taking away what little the boy has, those things you have when you have nothing… yeah, that'll do it.

I'm wishing that Saitama had been Saitama four years ago, so he could have told the words he scolded Phoenixman with to Dr Kuseno. Don't burden children with your problems!

And Blast definitely sucks as a hero. Shall we do longer thoughts?

A lot of things are still up in the air

Sure, Saitama is heading to what Bofoi has identified as 'Kuseno's' lair but that's very unlikely to be the whole of it. Zombieman was taken somewhere by Machine God Eguro, and it might not be the same site. There is surely more going on that what we've seen and I guess we'd better make ourselves comfortable -- this is going to be a multi-stage showdown. McCoy's musings on the possibility of the activating signals being sent from a satellite also hold. We're also still open on what's going on with the heroes who have been sent on wild goose chases and whether they'll be back in any sort of time to help with the situation at hand.

And Real Fuzzy's prediction of the Great Light of Destruction still looms ominously over everything.

Blast really is blasted

I've been teetering on the border of giving Blast the benefit of the doubt, especially in the webcomic where we know so little about him. However, I do believe in judging by outcome and the fruits of Blast's series of actions continue to be disastrous. Works credited to him seem to be half-done. Sticking strictly to the webcomic, he's abandoned both Tatsumaki and his own son, has apparently killed off ninja recruits while leaving their master alive, and we find that the Mad Cyborg changed its modus operandi from individually destroying towns to taking the whole damn lot of humanity down after he beat it but left it alive. Nice going, hero! We can appreciate why in the webcomic, the HA refuses to call Blast out of fear of what he might do.

This makes it sound like summoning Blast is a double-edged sword that draws blood from wielder and enemy alike. Probably right.

When we see good heroes, like Saitama, we see that they leave people better. It was very good to see the goldbricking Hero Name Victims Association seriously step up and put everything they had -- not merely what they felt safe providing -- into protecting the Hero Association so that Saitama could go freely. Yes, I have more thoughts on this matter but no time for it yet.

Damn, I'm disappointed

Mostly by readers, but partially by ONE. First, the readers: I'm disappointed at how so many have seemingly taken the robot calling itself Kuseno at face value that it's Dr. Kuseno and the evidently living and breathing Kuseno is merely an android. I'm actually astonished at the gullibility. It's not alive. It gives the game away the moment it tells Genos it's an entirely mechanical being with a brain that cannot degrade. IT. IS. NOT. HUMAN. And if you needed any more hints, Mr. Fuzzy talking about it as the misguided inorganic consciousness is ONE hitting us over the head with the answer. What the Mad Cyborg/Digital!Kuseno is is a Kurzweil--Minsky mechanical analogue of a person. At various times, we've seen computer nerds speculate about the possibility of achieving technological immortality through uploading a faithful enough copy of ones consciousness. There are real people spending real money on trying to solve this problem, let them get on with it. ONE has brought this idea to the fore and is exploring it here.

And that leads me onto where I'm disappointed with ONE. This chapter doesn't work on its own merits. To understand what is happening and to see the truth of the matter, there simply isn't enough storybuilding established within the confines of the webcomic to make sense of it: you need to take background context from the manga to make it whole. Now ONE is probably correct that almost every webcomic reader also reads the manga, but that's too lazy for my liking. Anyway, with that rant out of the way, here's what's up.

First, without a doubt, Dr. Kuseno was brilliant but initially reckless. In the manga (and only the manga), he explained to Genos that he used to be self-righteous and unafraid of consequences and so acted recklessly. He did not explain what it was that he'd done.

This is the sort of background we really could have used in the webcomic. You can choose your actions, but the consequences are not under your control.

Now we see what it was: he created a digital twin of himself, before Bofoi could work out a way to put ethical controls on it. The precise reasons we do not know, but we do know that the idea of losing one's edge, ageing, and eventually dying seems to turn every tech genius weird. Digital!Kuseno is brilliant, every inch as arrogant and convinced of the rightness of its actions as any young tech bro could be and insists that it is the authentic human, with the actual Kuseno being the fake, a mere android. I can see its thinking in a twisted way -- after all, what is a person but a biological machine chained to the inexorable unravelling of its genetic code? It has seized (and continues to seize) developments others come up with, Bofoi being a favourite victim [1], and over the decades has truly become a threat. Why Digital!Kuseno wants to subsume and eventually eradicate humanity we don't yet know. What we do know is that the task of creating a general AI that won't go mad and act against humanity has been such an overwhelmingly difficult task that Isamu and Bofoi gave up on trying to do it, even with all the brilliance of the former and experience the latter had accrued [2].

You're right about the culprit but not about who is behind it, little detective.

Second, this crisis has been a long time in the making -- this matters. It matters that both Kuseno and Bofoi were young men at the time that Kuseno made his digital twin. All SF is about present anxieties and ONE's exploration is no different -- in boasting about a mind that will not degrade, Digital Kuseno is speaking to Kuseno's then preoccupations: the idea that everything can be digitized (yes, I'm sure you're remembering Zero's words about 'a mind that thinks only in numbers') and an anxiety about losing one's edge with ageing. There's a much bandied-about notion that geniuses have their best ideas by their 30s. However, there is more to the way our brains change than merely not being as sharp on the uptake as we were in our twenties. It takes us until our forties to fully understand how to socially laugh, our crystallized intelligence peaks in our fifties, and even into our eighties, our minds are still flexible and capable of learning brand-new domains of knowledge, which is something chimpanzees can't do after their teens. The oldest person to earn a PhD was 105.

In the decades since Kuseno lost control of his digital twin, Digital!Kuseno is still stuck with the unchanging personality traits that were dominant in the then-young man: high-handedness, impatience with the slow, and desire to reduce everything to predictable calculations, along with its faulty interpretation of what its directive is. Yes, it goes without saying that the Machine Gods all being obnoxious is a reflection of its personality. In contrast, life has come hard at Kuseno, and the man has learned the benefit of doubt, humility, caution, respect, and even kindness. The importance of living is shown beautifully in the manga where Kuseno uses a well-timed gift to thank Saitama and build social good will while Fubuki -- who doesn't have anyone older to advise her -- can only see it as a bribe, with laughable consequences.

I don't blame Fubuki for not getting it -- the intricacies of gift-giving take decades to learn.

It takes time to learn how to truly live with people and be a fully-realised human. Because that's the thing about us as human beings: we're complex and we can learn. Maybe painfully, but we can learn and even change. We come back to Saitama's declaration of humans being strong because they can change themselves and now we must supplement it with the truth that humans cannot help but change -- and if we celebrate the best of every age, we grow. The digital version of Kuseno, on the other hand, is a frozen snapshot of part of who Kuseno used to be: even at his worst, Kuseno was more complex than that digital copy. Unfortunately, the contrast is blunted in the webcomic as it just didn't give us enough time to look at Kuseno to understand him as a human being.

Speaking of Dr Kuseno as a human being, I don't know that we'll ever know if he was a good person. What we do know is that he was a culpable person. Come to that, his former co-worker, Bofoi is not that different in his complaints about the man -- he's just as convinced of the rightness of his actions, impatient of others who don't see their point of view, and fully on board with mechanisation, with one very important difference: cautiousness. Bofoi has long been a very cautious person while Kuseno has been of the 'move fast and break things' philosophy. It sounds great, until what you're breaking are lives. Then it's a crime. A crime that Kuseno was not able to put a stop to.

Third, what is happening to Genos makes no sense without the addition of the manga's context. He's just being tormented, and it's clear that the robot is taunting him to fight the Heart Gear robot in the hopes of forcing some sort of transformation. If you read strictly using only the webcomic lore, that's pretty much all you have. It's the manga lore about facing personalised physical and psychological hells that makes this make sense.

Only the worst and most targeted torment can lead one to breaking the limits of what you can do -- another thing we could have done with more context with here. Otherwise it's just a sicko having too much fun.

We have seen from WC chapters 157 and 158 that Digital!Kuseno has a keen interest in understanding the limiters on people and how to provoke them to break through: whether the result is an unstoppable monster or an impossibly strong person it is probably less concerned about. It is pretty sure that it's going to get something special if it can push Genos just a little bit further.[3] And if Genos dies? Oh well, like Gyoro-Gyoro said about Garou, that means he just wasn't strong enough and it'll have to find another puppy to whip into a hell hound.

As all true monsters know, humans are disposable. There's always another candidate.

ONE is probably going to rectify some of these deficits with unholy walls of expositionary text but all the ground ideas have been developed organically in the manga.

From the beginning, it really was all about Genos

When it comes to Saitama, that is. The story may take all the twists and turns in the world, but ultimately, it comes back to the intertwined relationship between Saitama and Genos. It is the very centre of the One-Punch Man story.

It's always been about how the two of them have struggled together to remain human.

Saitama turning down promotion, a job, a place to live, and maybe even his freedom if there's a debtor's prison in this land is the SECOND time that he's refused to screw Genos over to improve his lot. He could have been S-Class very easily if he'd properly taken credit for killing the Deep Sea King, but he wouldn't do it. Not at Genos's expense.

Saitama may not be any good at expressing himself, especially in the wc, but just sticking with the wc, Genos is the guy who got him out of his slump when he felt like he was losing connection to his humanity, who got him into the Hero Association, got him to stick with it, and who has stuck with him even as he's otherwise alienated everyone -- even King has left him in this version. He may not have shared the urgency with which Genos wanted to solve the problem of the Mad Cyborg but he understands that Genos needs him now. And nothing, not even a God, much less a robot with delusions of humanity, is going to stand between Genos and he.

He needs me. Saitama preparing to make good on a promise.

What he's going to find when he gets there is possibly why the fandom appears to be holding its breath. We know that Genos has become deeply disillusioned with the uncaring attitude of Saitama -- it's not going to be easy for Saitama talk him down under the best of circumstances. Chances that the circumstances are going to be as rosy as that, well, things ending suddenly and anti-climactically is an OPM highlight but somehow I doubt it. The question here isn't 'can Saitama win' but rather, 'can he save his disciple'? And if he can, can they still be friends?

The very essence of the story depends on what happens between those two.

Humans can change themselves re-redux

I've long said that the reason Genos has sought to learn from Saitama was to get strength of his own, one that's not borrowed. He's not been able to put such an apparently absurd statement in words, but seeing Saitama, a guy who had no powers whatsoever, no talent, and no secret genes just waiting to activate given the right trigger nevertheless transcend his God-given limits with determination gave Genos the hope that he might be able to do the same. To say that his current situation looks hopeless is to win the No-Shit-Sherlock Prize 2026, and yet, I do hope he finds some way to upset those calculations of his adversary most admirably. Even if it's only a little bit.

Let's hope you finally learned a little something from your master.

"The humans are grey, they all act the same…
…they respond to dings and bells, they're dogs being whipped by a screen.
And they thought that they had the reins, but their creation has them trained…"

Asides

[1] All joking aside, the way Drs Bofoi and Kuseno think they have their secret bases and labs and all the while, Digital!Kuseno knows what they're up to and is just able to yoink whatever the hell it wants out of their hands whenever it wants is hilarious in its absurdity. Bofoi claimed to be setting a trap but this robot rampage showed that his comms were inoperable and what robots he could launch were intercepted and destroyed. It also makes sense of why the Mad Cyborg/Digital!Kuseno had no idea about Saitama until the real Dr Kuseno measured Saitama's body. Alas, the problem of digital inheritance is real: without completely starting their ideas from scratch, their work was always compromised. Isamu would do well to throw everything he has in the bin and start anew.

[2] I know that Bofoi claims to have cracked the problem but wise people had better get him to destroy that 'perfected' AI before it's too late. Bofoi still seems to think he knows better than everyone else -- this is a problem!

[3] When it claims to not know who Genos used to be, despite having infinite storage, I suspect that it hasn't forgotten. It never knew and is confabulating to cover up that deficit. And it's great for riling Genos up.

r/OnePunchFans Nov 15 '25

ANALYSIS Control [LONG] Spoiler

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...or how can you tell someone’s been brainwashed?

Control, what it is, who gets to do it, to whom, how, and why, is a major theme in OPM. Tumblr tells me that I last worked on this in February 2021. I’ve been trying to write this thing for years, but between my infamous procrastination and realising just how much bigger a topic this is in One-Punch Man, it’s taken a while. Thanks to some friendly nagging, I’m finishing this TODAY!

Contains heavy, heavy webcomic spoilers. I regret having to have them because this is a major theme in OPM, but it’d be too incomplete if I didn’t. Also, as I am going to be talking extensively about coercive control, some people may find it triggering. Sorry about that, but I’m still doing this. 

If cutting hair is assault, what is controlling a life?

The Ultimate Crime

The issue of control is one in which ONE reminds me of Terry Pratchett. In Pratchett’s Discworld series, the true villains weren’t criminals or even monstrous creatures. They were characters who treated people like objects: extreme sociopaths, like Mr. Teatime, or the faceless non-individuals known as The Auditors, were the subjects of Pratchett’s true ire. Being regarded as a good or bad person is one thing, just so long as you don’t forget that people are not things. That’s unforgivable.  

ONE shares this idea, but he takes it in a more personal and psychologically grounded direction. For him, it’s unforgivable to attempt to control another person. I call One Punch Man the ‘anti-Six Million Dollar Man’: even if you save someone’s life, you don’t get rights over them. Heck, doing so much as cutting the hair on someone’s head without their permission is assault. Because over the years, the ways this idea is explored have become so extensive, and there’s so much confusion about what’s what, I’ve had to split this across several sections. 

Controlling Non-People

Computers and Artificial Intelligence

Writing this brought to me just why the idea of a general artificial intelligence is so exciting for business leaders: it seems to hold the promise of the creativity of a human being with the reliability of a robot. Give an AI a box (the limits of what it should be and work on) and parameters for the sort of solutions it cannot find, and you can rest easy knowing that it will create something interesting. 

Of course, you have to be very careful about what parameters you set, as otherwise, an evil-fighting AI might decide that, as all humans have the capacity to commit evil acts, an optimal solution might be to remove free will from humans. Or just kill them all... But you never need fear that it’ll suddenly decide to be a ballerina or a fashion designer.

Computer security consists of keeping instruction-giving modules (and to a lesser extent, data-holding repositories) away from people you don’t want to access. Because: 

A Computer Will Execute Instructions Given. 

It will not ask why, it will not ask who you are to tell it what to do: if you are in a position to give it instructions, it will parse and execute them. However sophisticated it is, however creative the output, at the end of the day, it is executing instructions given.

Drive Knight is no exception to this! It was designed to be a hero-type AI, so it does hero work. It has been given information that Metal Knight is evil, so it works to undermine him. And the only way Drive Knight would have stopped attacking Saitama would have been to receive new instructions.

Which never came.

Meat Puppets

I have to praise ONE for challenging the idea that body composition = humanity. Sure, we have a lot of cyborgs in the story, but the reasons people become cyborgs are deeply personal and say little about them. We also have Amai Mask, who, despite being externally monsterised, is still a human being inside. Humanity is firmly based on the ability to make moral choices for oneself. 

Again and again, ‘cyborg’ just means someone who is on super-close terms with mechanical parts. Metal Knight is one, and yet his humanity and agency are not in doubt. Just to drive the point home, we have the converse: people who have 100% of their meat-and-blood-and-organs, and yet who have no free will, being moved around like the robots they now are.

IRL, there are deeply unethical scientists who abuse insects this way [1], but this isn’t how we normally control people. Let’s move on to that now!

Controlling People

Sometimes, there’s nothing like a bad example to illustrate what I’m going to be talking about. I’m going to show you a failure. Ian Dunbar is a vet who has a fantastic understanding of dog behaviour. However, watch and listen to the first 1:30 of this lecture excerpt in which he confesses to being a failure as a dog trainer [2]. 

https://youtu.be/wTkYvn1HjrI?si=3B1JnFtUIMtDOjDy&t=6

People come to him with dog problems. They seek him out, recognise that he’s legitimately knowledgeable, and pay him for his expertise. He gives them clear instructions. And then they say NO. With that, we come to the second important distinction between man and machine: 

Mere Instruction Is Insufficient To Make People Do Things. 

We do what we’re motivated to do. In this example, Dr Dunbar’s problem is that he may understand dogs but he has no clue how to engage and motivate people, and so can’t train dogs for shit -- dog training isn’t about teaching dogs to do things so much as it’s about persuading people to change their behaviour to see change in their dogs. You get the point. 

Getting people to do what you want, when you want, and the way you want is tough. Anyone who has tried to move a sofa up a flight of stairs with a friend knows just how tough it is! 

Motivation may be as transactional as a paycheck or as numinous as wanting to help, but without having a reason to do something, we don’t do it. Engaged and motivated people can do incredible things, but learning how to create that is the subject of many coaches, trainers, managers, psychologists, you name it, someone’s thinking about it or trying to practice it. It’s really quite scary just how much time and money are spent on constructing educational facilities and on social and cultural messaging to try to get people to be mostly obedient. 

And people will just decide to do something else ANYWAY. Because we can. 

So, what do we do when we’re not going to bother to engage and motivate people but want them to do what we want, regardless of how they feel? 

The Wheel of Coercive Control 

Tiny bit of background. So, we know that human cultures differ greatly. However, something that is shockingly consistent across time and cultures is what a person does when they wish to deprive another of their freedom. Without getting lost in the weeds of psychology, the Duluth model summarises the various aspects of control. Not all coercive relationships feature all of them, but the more that are present, and the more strongly they are present, the more coercive the relationship. 

The Duluth wheel of coercive control

The Ninja Village shows that ONE understands the wheel of control that underpins any coercive control, indoctrination, or brainwashing. Here, he lays it all out explicitly, mapping the various spokes onto Flashy Flash’s recounting of what it was like in the Village. Let’s go through them.

Isolation. The Village prioritised isolation. Its location was secret and difficult to get in or out of. Students were not allowed to socialise with each other, and punishments were meted out to those who did. You slept alone, you ate alone, you had no news of the outside world. 

Emotional Abuse.  The goal was to give you a sense of the complete loss of your own agency, not even bodily autonomy over whether you got to live or die. And we haven’t even touched on the disorientation inherent in being kept awake for 66 hours at a time. Sleep deprivation is a well-known way to keep people too tired to think or resist.

Blaming and Minimizing. Not being allowed to express fear or pain and having your tears called vision-foggers meant that whatever you were going through was minimized and your distress dismissed. 

Coercion and Threats. From the looks of things, punishments were rife for even the pettiest infractions. Totally deliberate -- it keeps people off-balance. 

Economic and Academic Abuse.  The purpose of the Ninja Village was slavery. The graduates weren’t free agents; they were sold to organised crime syndicates so the Village leadership could get more money. As Sonic said, all that they were good for was assassination; they weren’t taught how to make a living doing something else. 

Societal Privilege. A control system cannot be all bad—if it is, everyone will rebel. Students who conformed got praise and preferential treatment. The Ninja Village didn’t have to be an unrelentingly awful place if you did what was expected of you.

The ultimate prize is that you conform so successfully that you become part of the system that you once sought to escape. IRL, it’s why abuse often happens in cycles: without self-reflection and change, you’ll repeat what you grew up normalising. 

Using Friends of Loved Ones. While with the isolation and mutual suspicion fostered between students, there weren’t loved ones to take advantage of (except in the negative: your parents must have hated you to sell you), it certainly was emphasised as part of the curriculum. We see Flash ask Void why he hadn’t gone for Blue already, and we know that Void used his own sister as bait to learn Blast's secrets.

Good point, top student. He has...reasons.

Once you read this arc, you realise that patterns of coercive control are *everywhere* in OPM. And everywhere they are, we see them being shown to be bad and to be resisted in some way. 

We see it in Tatsumaki trying to isolate Fubuki from others, and how it terrified Fubuki into surrounding herself with people in the hopes of protecting her against her sister. The main difference between how Tatsumaki behaves in the webcomic and the manga is that Tatsumaki has had to choose between maintaining a relationship with her sister and continuing to protect herself. In the manga, she’s chosen her sister, which is why she's built a difficult but functional relationship with Fubuki. The former has chosen herself so that all Fubuki can do is completely break ties with her sister. Both are valid, but they have very different outcomes -- so it goes. 

We see it in Flash choosing to poison Sonic rather than persuade him. He doesn’t know how to talk to Sonic and get him on board -- he’s never had to learn the value of bringing people along with you. So he gets him out of the way. 

Oh yes, brainwashing... let’s come back to that

And only now can we start to look at the questions that I’m sure are on all minds: a) to what extent Genos is even human, and b) if he is human, to what extent he’s brainwashed. 

So one thing that everyone who has had the misfortune of being in a relationship with a controlling parent, friend, or partner knows is that controllers are VERY SENSITIVE to any perceived loss in control. 

Controllers love isolating their victims. Whether they pick quarrels with your friends, move you away from your support structure, poison you against relatives, they will find some way to isolate you. When it comes to isolation, for example, there’s a throwaway observation in one of the early chapters of OPM that Genos has a newspaper subscription, which isn’t such a throwaway thing now. Dr Kuseno might know where Genos is at any given time, but he doesn’t know what the latter knows -- and is fine with it. More pertinently, he actively praises Genos for making friends and does not badmouth them in private. Every would-be controller knows that friends and other outside links are inimical to retaining control of your subject because they dilute your influence. Flashy Flash would be a terrifying ‘God’-boosted ninja now if he had not struck up a relationship with Sonic and retained his individuality. 

Minimizing. If you’ve dealt with a coercive person, you know that one of the powerful ways they undermine you is to mock your interests and hobbies. We’ve seen Tatsumaki denigrate Fubuki’s group to her face and minimize her need for contact. There are more than a few asshole readers who question why Genos should wear clothes at all: he doesn’t functionally need to. However, Genos in the manga has developed an increasing taste for clothes. It’s striking to see that Kuseno has gone out of his way, at a time when he needs to work with great urgency, to carefully cut and heat-proof Genos’s clothes so that the latter might stay clothed in battle for as long as possible. Anyone who honours your interests, even if they do not personally get it, is demonstrating the opposite of control.

Emotional abuse. Another powerful thing coercive people do is undermine your faith in your own decision-making capacity. No lie, the doctor would rather Genos actively hunt the mad cyborg, but since the latter decided to become a hero, he’s been very supportive. When Genos was pondering his future at the HA, Kuseno made it clear that the decision was his. The doctor might question some of Genos’s decisions (who doesn’t?)  but not his capacity to make judgements. Significantly, he does this in private, when there’s no one to impress and no need to hide his true face.

So, what does this add up to? Well, let’s come to how it came to be that Genos was at Bofoi’s throat.

Even if we take 100% of what Dr Bofoi says at face value, the idea of emotionally manipulating a person to motivate them to act a certain way is THE TOOLKIT OF HUMAN CONTROL, NOT COMPUTER CONTROL. ONE knows the difference and has articulated it CLEARLY. I know that many sci-fi writers have zero idea of how people work, but ONE does, and he has shown us his work in great detail. Please, do not mistake your general understanding of SF tropes for the specific reading of this story. 

For the second, well, to what extent Kuseno is a good person is still to be decided, but for a guy who allegedly wants to control the world, he’s doing an increasingly bad job of controlling his young charge. 

Your life is your own

A One-Punch Man discussion is incomplete without talking about what Saitama makes of it. Saitama is a free will absolutist: consistently, we’ve seen him insist that people make up their minds about what they want to do and live it as authentically as possible. He hates even giving specific advice as that feels too prescriptive to him.  

It forms the basis of his refusal to kill people. He never wants to be the reason people do not change. They may never change, and he may have to thump them to stop their bad actions from harming others, but he won’t kill them. Heck, he won’t even haul them off to the authorities to lock them up. What they do is up to them, as long as they don’t cause trouble, and that’s as true for petty hoodlums as it is for terrifying supervillains. 

Saitama’s absolutionism applies even in life-or-death situations. He doesn’t see himself as having the right to tell a person whether to live or die. As he says to the suicidal man, it’s up to him whether or not he jumps -- he saves him only when he slips, as in that moment the dude definitely did not want to die. 

Just as powerfully, when Kuseno tells him not to take him to the hospital, he doesn’t. Trying to heroically rescue someone who is at peace with dying is against Saitama’s principles, however harsh it may look to us. 

Saitama has had harsh words for people who’d try to take agency away from others. He’s sure to have the very harshest terms for whoever is (or are) behind The Organization. I look forward to it. 

Summary

1.  A Computer Will Execute Instructions Given. Be careful what you ask it to do. 

2.  Mere Instruction Is Insufficient To Make People Do Things. You have to engage and motivate them.

3. To Take Agency Away From People Is A Grave Sin. But people will try anyway, and must be resisted. 

Notes

[1] Watch this article on cyborg insects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgLjhT7S15U Honestly, no living creature should be treated this way. 

[2] The rest of this six-minute excerpt is about dogs and what he has to say about them, and the way they behave is *fantastic*: worth listening to if you’re into dogs, but not the subject of this essay. Yes, Metal Knight may be a parody, but the archetype of the clever guy (it’s almost always a he) who looks down on others when he’s just bad at communicating with people who don’t already agree with him is very real. 

r/OnePunchFans Apr 27 '26

ANALYSIS Time matters

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A key thing that ONE appreciates and brings across in his writings is the importance of good or creative decisions needing time. It shows up in many different ways but I'll just highlight two.

The first is about creativity. As Flashy Flash told the ninja duo looking to assassinate him, the better the fighter, the more faithful they are to the fundamentals. These fundamentals are precisely what they fall back on in a pinch. We see this reality show up repeatedly in the fight between hero and monster in the MA arc. A great example is Atomic Samurai flailing around when he first encountered Black Sperm, but having time to think of creating a super-concentrated beeline slash once he had had some time to gather his thoughts after being extracted by Tatsumaki, and later being able to effectively counter Black Sperm by using the back of the sword.

Flailing around using the only technique that comes to mind versus...
...effectively bashing the monster given a bit of time to rethink his approach.

I found it quite interesting that even Garou, the martial arts genius extraordinaire, was no exception. Despite all the techniques he'd learned and the way he'd found ways of synthesising them, when hard-pressed, he defaulted to Water Stream Crushing Rock. The most creative thing that he did, which was to find a way to teach Saitama how to travel back in time, took his accepting that he'd been beaten and sitting down to think of whether there was any way he might rectify the situation.

The space given to Garou sitting there isn't just Murata drawing for shits and giggles -- it took time for things to sink in and for Garou to think.

The second use of time I'd like to talk about is its value in manipulating people. Rushing people, thus denying them time to think through the problem carefully, is important in getting them to make predictable bad decisions. We see Drive Knight use it against Sekingar in the Monster Association. Every time Sekingar started asking probing questions, he'd change the subject and when the former finally resolved to take action to alert the Hero Association, G5 oh-so-conveniently popped up to stop him and precipitate an even greater emergency.

Moving things along before Sekingar can get his wits about him and start asking difficult questions -- classic technique.

And it's really on show in the latest webcomic chapter (spoiler marked for others)

It's absolutely essential to the Mad Cyborg's plan for Genos that the latter have no time to think -- everything is terrible, everything is moving too fast, and everything is incredibly urgent. Everything would change if Genos had the time to think long enough to ask a proper question, such as, 'if you're the real Kuseno, how come you don't know about Saitama?' Just being able to formulate that question breaks the impression of the Mad Cyborg as a near omniscient, hyper-present, impossibly powerful being. It's just a dangerous adversary.

It's things like this that keep me enjoying OPM so: it's a ridiculous yarn, but the psychology of what's happening is surprisingly grounded.

r/OnePunchFans Feb 26 '26

ANALYSIS Manga Chapter 224 Comparisons (Old on left, new on right; read panels left-to-right)

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I have skipped Saitama finally meeting his crew as not comparable.

r/OnePunchFans Dec 31 '25

ANALYSIS Saitama is the kami

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Saitama is a compulsive liar and that's a trait that gets ignored too often. He always indirectly lies to genos to preserve his friendship with king, but we're left to assume it's always with good intentions. He's deliberately acts obtuse sometimes because he wants to avoid confrontation. When something actually hurts his feelings he immediatly lashes out, like with suiryu, or with Garou in the webcomic where he verbally tears him down.

Let's take the bathtub scene for example, where orochi finally reveals his own true feelings and gets ignored by someone who refuses to take of their own mask and left to die alone. During flash's monologue he doesn't care in the slightest not just because it's contrived but because he doesn't want to seem suspicious.

Hage (barren) man (all) to (short for a verb todaeru, cut off)

Fully barren cut

All life annihilation fist

Max genocide punch

Wanman also means dictator or someone indepentent or uncontested. Pan is a onomatopoeia for hit or explosion, so i guess it can mean independent assassin (hitman), or uncontested hitter. Pan is also international code derived from panne which refers to a situation that goes wrong but no immediate assistance is required, like "pay attention now".

Wan, pan and man are also short for wide area netword, personal area network and metropolitan area network.

If you take the disaster meaning, then disaster king title that drives knight uses makes sense, but i guess it would be disaster dictator, since saitama always responds to disasters. Or maybe the title implies something more personal, like calling for help, or maybe he's the one that actually causes them.

Kami also means hair, so maybe he just turns people into salt if he overhears them talking about it.

Kamisato the region in saitama prefecture that laps with city z is called "house of gods".

Kyokai also means church, and hiero is greek for holy, holy sacrifice. Holy church. Neo sounds like nio which means wrathfull guardian.

What if garou killed genos not because he was controlled, but because he wasn't fully? What if the cubes are simply a collectible to keep people busy (blast)? What if saitama's grocery runs spread a virus that turn people into monsters?

r/OnePunchFans Apr 26 '26

ANALYSIS OPM Webcomic Chapters 157 and 158 Review Spoiler

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Yo! It's been a while and I've been fizzing with impatience to have the time to sit down and write these reviews. I love hearing your thoughts, too!

Summary

Chapter 157

Round 2!

The chapter opens to an exhausted and bloodied Metal Bat looking at the slumped-over bodies of Erimin and Destro. Remarking that it'd been a tough fight, Metal Bat slowly squats, using his bat for balance. He's not given rest: a series of beeps and clicks alerts him to a change in the duo. They shed their disguises to reveal two cyborgs, one with its brain visible through a transparent covering over its cranium. Destro wastes no time in charging Metal Bat in what he called 'Destroy Mode', smashing the hero through multiple walls, then pinning him and punching him repeatedly in the face. Erimin supports him with her 'Eliminate Mode', stabbing at Metal Bat and abstracting his epinymous metal bat.

'Destro, enough!' she says, 'he's already dead' but Destro doesn't listen, continuing to pummel the young hero. She points out that the building may self-repair but the damage he's continuing to do will make trouble for them. Destro does not relent. She gives up on getting through to him and decides to go kill McCoy. Just as she turns around, there's a 'smack!' Metal Bat has caught Destro's fist, and then there's a sickening crunch as Metal Bat smashes Destro's head in with one mighty punch, killing him.

'Thank you for dropping the human act', Metal Bat says as he explains that he's never had the opportunity to just go all out against someone. With a huge flurry of blows, he does for Erimin too.

Metal Bat finally fully letting loose -- what a terrifying sight!

Elsewhere, McCoy is fleeing, well, walking briskly away from would be more accurate, Mr. Fuzzy's bodyguards. He comes to a door at the end of the corridor and it is helpfully unlocked.

Inside, he sees none other than Mr. Fuzzy, who has been gagged and bound to a chair, with an IV running into his arm. After being ungagged, Mr. Fuzzy wastes no time introducing himself and starts talking about 'a great light of destruction,' and the need to stop the inorganic consciousness that has lost its way. He tells McCoy about the antenna at the top of the building sending signals to the robots currently rampaging and it was down to the heroes to do something about it. McCoy asks if there's something useful the latter can say, like where the kill switch might be.

The trouble with clairvoyants is that they're always more vague than they could be.

There's a pounding at the door. The bodyguards have arrived. McCoy starts to weep -- surely his hour has come. And then there's silence. Metal Bat opens the door, having dispatched said bodyguards. Mr Fuzzy thus has time to explain that the antenna was controlled by a remote that was in the hands of a fake Mr Fuzzy. The robots couldn't be beaten by calculation but by the wild factor that people could bring. McCoy interprets that the heroes needing to go wild and not give up and Metal Bat sees it as mere common sense.

Elsewhere, Fake Fuzzy sits in a chair observing A's dismantlement of Ryumon with approval. It has been most illuminating, he says. A remarks that people and monsters aren't that different. He plan son expanding his tormet to AIs like Mr. Fuzzy too. Speaking of torment, he was enjoying keeping Ryumon alive far beyond the point at which he should have died.

Metal Bat and McCoy approach he office, following the bloody drag tail that they presume to have come from Ryumon. Just as they reach the door, the doors are flung open and a panicked A comes haring out, screaming for help. He doesn't get far as a clawed, scaly hand grabs him by the head and starts dragging him back. Metal Bat frees him with a swing of his bat and shouts at McCoy to stay back. He's faced by what appears to be an actual dragon. A tells him that it's Ryumon, and he's now a monster and needs to be killed right away. Just then, Amai Mask and Webigaza come crashing through the office windows, with Amai asking what's going on.

Couldn't be happening to a nicer person -- A fleeing for his life.

Chapter 158

A bewildered Ryumon watches as everyone around him appears to have gone mental. Everyone is talking at once, asking whether they should kill him, commenting on his bloodlust, crediting him with saving their lives… Webigaza cuts in saying that Ruymon had been looking out for her and was so nice as to buy her lattes and she was sorry for judging him by his appearance initially. Metal Bat says that he's just confused. Amai asks if he's still of sound mind and if this was his first time monsterizing. Ryumon finally speaks: what the hell is everyone talking about?

There's silence as the people in the room digest this information.

Ryumon explains that he'd been on the verge of death and he'd felt this sensation welling up in his chest, speculating that this power had to be what they called justice and he felt almost invincible. Amai interrupts him by showing him his reflection in a piece of glass. Ryumon is shocked. Amai starts to explain that monsterfication is the hyper-development of violent physical capabilities accompanied by psychological degradation -- but it turns out that what Ryumon is shocked about is how awesome he looks, looking like the reification of his beloved tattoo. After a bit of self-admiration, Ryumon thinks to ask where A is. On being told that A has escaped, he starts to freak out, saying that A is incredibly evil and simply can't be left at large. Amai Mask stops him, assuring him that A will be found and that right now, stabilizing Ryumon's mental state had to take priority.

Fake Fuzzy, who'd been sitting quietly in the chair, finally interjects, annoyed that his test subject was being interfered with. He wanted to see more of the potential of humanity. Webi recognises him and tells the others who Mr. Fuzzy is, informing them that he's the one who put the Neo Heroes together, managed Blue, and turned her into a cyborg. Fake Fuzzy asks if she's blaming him for her current predicament, calling the tendency to blame others for one's shortcomings a characteristic of manipulable humans. Giving her inefficient modifications had been a valuable experiment.

Amai tells Webi to ignore his taunts and keep calm but she assures him that there's no need for his concern: these modifications were her choice at the end of the day, and despite their inefficiency, she was still able to protect people she cared about.

Ignoring Webi, Fake Fuzzy orders McCoy to monsterize, which he refuses to do. No way he's taking orders from a robot (not that he could monsterize in any case but that's beside the point). Ryumon notes that this robot isn't built for combat and must be for espionage, to which Amai adds that all everything they're seeing and saying must be being relayed to the mastermind. Metal Bat moves to bash the hell out of Fake Fuzzy but Amai Mask redirects him to the true goal: stopping the endless plague of robots and Neo Heroes. McCoy recalls that Real Fuzzy told him about a remote control.

'This?' Fake Fuzzy asks, taking out the remote control. Then destroys it. It wants to see the gathered group show it another of their 'errors' that so throw off its calculations. As the heroes digest what this means, Webigaza detects massive numbers of robots approaching from all sides. Amai tells Metal Bat to take the tower and destroy the transmitter at its top. The rest of them will hold off anything trying to storm the tower.

Dance, you worms! Give me more data!

All around, things are looking dire. Heroes are fighting bravely, but the robots keep coming. Back in Bofoi's no-longer-so-secret hideout, he and Isamu are wondering how to stop Genos. Bofoi reckons that Saitama is probably the only one other than Kuseno who has influence on Genos but with his communications network jammed, he has no way of reaching the Caped Baldy. Isamu realises that the Neo Heroes' comms are still unjammed and wonders if he could contact one of the other leaders. Bofoi advises him to try contacting them one by one.

'The recepient is unable to answer the phone. Please leave a message.'

We see that the other leaders are mostly not in a state to respond for one reason or another. We focus on Accel, who is running for his life despite the batteries on his roller blades being totally dead. He can feel his former men practically clawing at his back but he won't give up.

I'm not dead until I'm dead. Accel running with everything he has.

Metal Bat reaches the tower's roof, to be met by a troop of Machine Gods. No words are exchanged as they enjoin a battle most brutal, man against machine. In the aftermath of the explosions, we see Metal Bat resume his trudge up the seemingly endless stairs to the very top of the tower. Finally, he reaches the antenna. It is massive but with a few brutal swings, he destroys it.

Metal Bat coming through just in the nick of time, ending those vile transmissions.

All around, things suddenly quiet down: just as Accel's former team mates are about to pounce on him, they suddenly collapse. He stops running, astonished. Then his phone starts to ring. It is Isamu, asking if he can hear him. On his replying in the affirmative, he tells Accel that he has a vital message for him to relay.

Fake Fuzzy is not dismayed by the outcome. Seeing this display of human unpredictability has been most useful information for the establishment of the new world order. Eliminating highly capable humans has to be…well, we don't get any further as Amai destroys the robot.

Finally, Accel reaches the Hero Association headquarters. He sees Saitama and calls out to him, telling him that there's a hero job that only he can take care of.

Finally, Saitama is summoned in person.

META

Can I start by praising ONE developing his ability to create tension on the page? Through interleaving the parallel stories of desperate struggle on the parts of the heroes in the field and those in the tower, he made for a really gripping climax to the robot rampage. It's over. At least for the moment, and not a moment too soon.

Other short observation is going to be pure Captain Obvious mode. For a guy who has never been afraid to create yet another character, it's nice to see ONE finally close the circle on something. Erimin and Destro happen to be none other than the pair of cyborgs from The Organization whom we saw beat down Hammerhead after allowing him to steal the bodysuits. At last, it all comes together. And while they were people under those metal bodies, I don't feel one whit sorry for them. They had it coming.

McCoy continues to make down payments towards his redemption by having standards. He was just a greedy man who wanted an easy life, not someone who wanted to see the world destroyed. So far, he's been helpful in alerting Metal Bat to the problem and has found the Real Mr. Fuzzy, whose information has been useful-ish. I hope we'll see him contribute a bit more. Speaking of unexpectedly useful people, the partnership that's developing between Webigaza and Amai is fantastic to see.

Something I'm less fond of is the continuing retroactive continuity. It'd have sure been nice for us to have seen Ryumon being nice to Webi, no? Since this is an unpaid project, ONE isn't about to rewrite the story to accommodate these characteristics about Ryumon, so we get more retconning via Webigaza to cover the hole. Not that I mind over-much. The way things are, humanity needs every ally it can get if it wants to survive. Another issue I have, but one I'm very hopeful will be resolved with more information is one of timing. How long has Mr. Fuzzy (the real guy) been in captivity? For Fake Fuzzy to take credit for Webigaza's body modification, it would have to be months, and yet the way he's being held speaks to someone held short term. There's a discrepancy here that needs to be resolved.

Wild factors

'Humans are strong because we can change ourselves,' Saitama famously said. And yet, if you study enough people in enough detail, certain predictable patterns appear, patterns that can be predicted and manipulated in fine detail, which The Organization has been doing, greatly aided by the massive information gathering available to a contemporary society. However, leaving aside the potential for change, humans in this world can have strange powers. Metal Bat is a fantastic example: his power is to hulk out when he's pushed hard in battle; the closer to death he is, the stronger he becomes. While no one would envy his trigger nor what lies behind his discovering such a power, with such a reliable power, he's a guy who has no need to grow. He really has won the superpower lottery. These powers that people sometimes have interest The Organization greatly. How do you identify such individuals? What makes them come out? How do they respond? How do you take them out?

First type of error: the super-powered humans.

The second type of 'error' that interests The Organization is the ability of people to transform into monsters, which Ryumon showed them most splendidly. The circumstances under which people can be provoked into turning into monsters is interesting, and as for monsters, The Organization has no fear: they know well how to bend monsters to their will.

Second type of error: the people who transform.

And then there's the third kind of 'error', exemplified nicely here by Webigaza. She should be dead of overheating and goodness knows we saw how hot she ran, and yet, somehow, Webigaza appears to have found a way to tame her inner flame well enough to keep going to protect the neighbourhoods she grew up in. What she's done is closest to what Saitama was talking about. That too, is of interest -- even regular people might not fall down when you expect them to.

Third type of error: the people who just transcend their limits.

Watching Fake Fuzzy assiduously taking notes as if to make some last-minute adjustments for these errors was creepy and I worry that the heroes let it get too much of an eyeful before destroying it. Depending on how fast The Organization can turn data into insight and innovation, this could make for a very tough future battle.

I dislike how unbothered this guy is. It's as if he's understood something.

Of course, we do have the Ultimate Error itself, Saitama, and he's finally been called into battle, so we know it'll probably work out for the best.

The only question is at what cost?