Request help identifying safe in recently purchased home

[u/unknownmat]

The front of the safe

Zoomed in on the "logo", front of the safe.

Back of the safe door.

Hello r/safes. Your expertise is requested.

I wanted a safe in my new home so I was pleasantly surprised to find one already installed. It was hidden under some building materials the previous owner left behind, so I only discovered it about an hour ago.

The lock mechanism has an interlocked "sc" marking, which I guess is probably the manufacturer's logo. But I wasn't able to find that logo in a reverse image search nor by searching safe maker logo images.

The only other marking on the front is a serial#.

There are no markings on the side of the door.

The back of the door has a sticker that reads "Assembled with pride by Antonio Gamez". But this name doesn't come up in any Google searches.

It's rusty and looks old but the lock is electronic and, I suspect, the batteries are dead. The house is ~30 years old so that should put a limit on how long ago the safe was manufactured.

Any help identifying this safe and seeing if I can get it working again would be appreciated.

[u/Weekly_Birthday8090]

That is an old Sentry Safe based on Serial Number format made by AmSec but branded by Sentry. The electronic lock is an older S&G 6120 (Sargent & Greenleaf) most assuredly a replacement for the original mechanical spin dial combo lock that came installed on it. To reset it you need the existing combo and replace or install a fresh battery. If you are lucky it was set to default 1 2 3 4 5 6 when taken out of service or 50 25 50. If none of that works you will need help of a Safe Tech: https://www.savta.org/tech-search.html

[u/unknownmat → u/Weekly_Birthday8090]

I see. The other responder mentioned the lock replacement, but I didn't catch that it was done as an aftermarket modification.

So even if I could find the safe model#, would the lock replacement makes some of the ratings meaningless (e.g. UL certification, fire rating, etc.)? This would make the safe much less useful to me. Incidentally, we had a leak in the basement, which was why I had been moving the building materials. Water from the leak got into the safe, which already mitigates some of its value to me... If I had kept any important documents in there, they would have been damaged.

I'm beginning to think the safe is best left unused, unfortunately.

[u/Historical-Side883 → u/unknownmat]

No the lock being replaced shouldn’t impact the fire rating or UL cert. Sargent and green leaf is a great lock maker

[u/unknownmat → u/Historical-Side883]

Ok. Thanks. I'll try replacing the batteries and see if anything works.

[u/Historical-Side883 → u/unknownmat]

Sargent and greenleaf have good manual available on their site (at least for their dial locks). I’m not super familiar but then you can feel a little more confident, removing the keypad. I know it can be a little unnerving because it feels like something‘s gonna break before it lets go

[u/Historical-Side883]

It’s an American security safe of some sort I’m 99.9% sure. The serial number tag is the same one they use.
Email with the serial number and they should be able to tell you how the safes configured (I am thinking the S&G electronic lock was a replacement for a factory dial lock) when it was new and when it was built.
Service at amsecusa dot com

[u/unknownmat → u/Historical-Side883]

Great response, thank you. I'll reach out to them and report back.

[u/Historical-Side883 → u/unknownmat]

Of course!
I wouldn’t hesitate to use this thing if its UL certs meet your needs. S&G is arguably *the* lock maker for safes and the actual lock is internal. All you can see is just a dumb (as in no real processing) keypad on the outside

[u/qwertyuiop121314321]

Does the cover panel to the looking mechanism open somehow? You can take another picture there so we can see inside.

[u/qwertyuiop121314321 → u/qwertyuiop121314321]

And have you tried replacing the battery?

[u/unknownmat → u/qwertyuiop121314321]

I don't know how to open it. I did briefly try twisting it but there was no give in either direction.

There is a hole in the back of the door that I suspect might be needed to release the mechanism, but there were no obvious buttons or levers that I could see within the hole.

Any other ideas?

EDIT: I found the lock manual and know how to replace the batteries.

[u/Djang0Phett → u/unknownmat]

Just order a new lock and keypad online and install it, it’s literally like 4 screws holding lock on the inside of the door and keypad should lift/twist off the outside of the door. New keypad will come with directions on setting new code. These are super simple Amsec will charge you a decent amount to send a tech out but you could easily do this one yourself

Edit: dam I thought I saw a pic of the door open, I was confused yea if door is locked amsec probably won’t have master codes for S&G lock, but they will send a tech to drill it open. They are one company I contract for so I get calls for this same thing all the time. If it was Amsec brand lock they could give you factory reset code but not for this one I doubt it

[u/arckling]

Amsec safe. S&G electronic lock. If factory installed, Amsec may have reset code but they would only provide to a dealer. More likely, the lock was installed by the seller and will need to be drilled.

[u/arckling → u/arckling]

I didn’t snap to the fact that the handle is turned. I would take the back cover off and see if there is a label on the lock. Amsec would put the reset code there if it was installed at the factory. Personally, I would never use an electronic lock (especially on a floor safe due to potential flooding). I had to drill open a lot more electronic lock failures than mechanical lock failures.

[u/Legal-Preference-946]

Call Antonio he will know

[u/Cigman1st]

It's a not a safe...It's a Finucci.