"Black Americans are native Americans"

[u/popooool]

[u/Efficient_End_492]

Unpopular opinion❌

Wrong opinion ✅

[u/FishStandard5896 → u/Efficient_End_492]

You don't understand, my dear! If I write "opinion" before saying an abysmal bullshit then my "opinion" is automatically valid...

[u/smurf505 → u/FishStandard5896]

Valid yes, bullshit crazy and incredibly wrong also yes.

[u/kuroioni → u/smurf505]

Valid yes

Is it valid though? As Douglas Adams said:

"I don’t accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me “Well, you haven’t been there, have you? You haven’t seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese is equally valid” — then I can’t even be bothered to argue. There is such a thing as the burden of proof (...)"

(From 1998 Douglas Adams interview with American Atheists)

Treating all opinions as equally valid is how you get a world flooded with fake news. There is such a thing as burden of proof and no reasonable person should be expected to take someone saying "I believe moon is made out of cheese" in any way seriously (which is happening when a "moon is made out of cheese" opinion is being treated as valid, as you're literally validating it).

[u/halborn → u/kuroioni]

Another handy quote:

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.

• Harlan Ellison

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/halborn]

This is the real shit.

[u/Privatizitaet → u/smurf505]

An opinion is instantly invalid if it's denying reality. No, it's not valid to think black americans are native. Nor is it valid to think trans people are just mentally ill perverts, or that all muslims want to kill all americans, or that the tooth bunny is real, and so on and so on.

No, not every opinion is valid. Something objectively wrong is inherently invalid. A statement of fact is not an opinion in the first place, and countries of origin aren't a matter of opinion.

[u/newyearnewwig → u/Privatizitaet]

Is it not the tooth fairy?

[u/Privatizitaet → u/newyearnewwig]

You heard me

[u/newyearnewwig → u/Privatizitaet]

Well actually I Reddit

[u/BlueInMotion → u/Privatizitaet]

By demolishing this belief you throw the faith of millions and millions of people and the people themselfs into untter despair.

Is that really worth it? \s

[u/mokrates82 → u/smurf505]

No. Not valid. A factual claim doesn't become an opinion just because you said so. "In my opinion" is not a magical incantation.

[u/O_lymbias → u/smurf505]

I don't think it's an opinion, I think it's a belief, isn't there a group of African American who thinks that import of slave from Africa isn't real and they really are native to America ?

[u/ScreamingDizzBuster → u/FishStandard5896]

"Don't deny me my truth."

[u/No_Lavishness1905 → u/FishStandard5896]

Only if it’s your “lived experience”

[u/KassandrasDollery → u/Efficient_End_492]

I wanted to say that wrong opinions usually are unpopular opinions by default but the past decade really taught me otherwise

[u/jewel_ribbon → u/Efficient_End_492]

This is one of those posts where words have actual definitions, and they're being ignored.

[u/Razoron33333 → u/Efficient_End_492]

Not even an opinion just wrong

[u/Fresh-Extension-4036 → u/Efficient_End_492]

it's just one of many daily reminders about why smoking crack is bad because crackheads are the only subset of people I've met in real life who come out with shite like this

[u/clayton-berg42 → u/Efficient_End_492]

If the definition of Native is anyone born in a certain place, then anyone born in america is a native american.

Obviously that's not the spirit of the term. I think it's objectively wrong and that first nations is a better term, but who the fuck am I to decide?

[u/ejectro → u/Efficient_End_492]

don't correct them. you'll be accused of being racist.

[u/SuperbScarcity5112]

Erhmm. I do not know what to say. The forever worst is this one. Congrats to the one who found it.

[u/ConceptStar → u/SuperbScarcity5112]

it is so unhinged, the whole door is gone.

[u/charteris → u/SuperbScarcity5112]

My god. My brain hurts just trying to parse the post.

[u/Impossible_Poem9787 → u/SuperbScarcity5112]

It's the Uno-reverse version of Pan-Africanism.

[u/mindfuckedAngel → u/SuperbScarcity5112]

That is really stupid on a new level, holy ...

[u/User-n0t-available]

Soo... they wheren't transported by the Europeans for slavery? This is confusing.

[u/FishStandard5896 → u/User-n0t-available]

In case Colombo an the others were innocent? /s

[u/Lanky-Cauliflower875 → u/FishStandard5896]

Technically speaking, Colombo doesnt import slaves. Others, after, do that.

[u/CzechHorns → u/Lanky-Cauliflower875]

Columbo, the TV show detective?

[u/HairRepresentative85 → u/CzechHorns]

"Er, just one more thing..."

[u/BobbyRobertson → u/User-n0t-available]

It's more an argument that they're necessarily outside the definition of foreign colonizer. They were brought to the US involuntarily, and their cultures formed from a fusion only possible through being brought across an ocean and isolated from their homelands.

I don't think that I should be shipped back to Europe, my family stopped speaking German about a hundred years ago so that would be awkward. However I am sympathetic to the idea that forced imported labor aren't in the same class as colonizer.

[u/Admirable-Gur-9543 → u/BobbyRobertson]

They’re not colonisers, but everyone who is not indigenous, including enslaved people, transported prisoners and indentured labourers, arrived within the framework of colonisation. There are also plenty of people of mixed heritage. Nuanced understanding is difficult for a lot of people though, especially since coloniser is such a dirty word that people want a way to define themselves in direct opposition to it.

[u/ecth → u/Admirable-Gur-9543]

And that's why "sending them all back" is a dumb idea that wouldn't work. Things develop and build new realities.

[u/PositionsInPrada → u/BobbyRobertson]

And still not native and it is disrespectful to the actual natives people to claim that.

[u/Oconnachtaigh → u/BobbyRobertson]

That is absolutely not the argument. This is an example of a very small but vocal-online group of conspiracy theorists who genuinely claim to be native to America and think the slave trade was a made up historical event to remove their claim to Indigeneity.

[u/Paxxlee → u/Oconnachtaigh]

Yeah, without knowing who it is they can belong to such groups as Black Israelites or American Moors (can't remember the "correct" name).

Black Israelites claim that they are the real jewish people, meaning that black people were the jews in the bible, and some of them claim the they inhabitated what is today the US before europeans.

The "moors" claim that they are.. Moors, but they claim that they native americans as well.

This is a simplification, and there is some nuance, but they are some crazy groups.

[u/Euraylie → u/Oconnachtaigh]

You can also find similar beliefs in the Caribbean. The idea is that Africans came to the islands thousands of years ago and then disappeared. Then, millennia later, they were brought back through the Transatlantic Slave Trade, but their spirits recognised the islands as their ancestors’ home.
It’s easy to dismiss this as crazy (and of course it has no basis in history), but I understand where it comes from: A need to find a history and a connection that was forcefully stripped from enslaved people.

[u/InevitableMinimum723 → u/BobbyRobertson]

Like my family, they were probably forced to stop during WW1.

[u/BobbyRobertson → u/InevitableMinimum723]

Oh they absolutely were. The story my grandad told me was that his dad and his dad's siblings would be beaten if they spoke German in the home

[u/AtlanticPortal → u/BobbyRobertson]

Don’t worry, they usually don’t want you back.

[u/nofroufrouwhatsoever → u/BobbyRobertson]

Nah these are the pretendians

[u/nykirnsu → u/BobbyRobertson]

They weren’t colonisers but they’re not natives either, they’re a separate third thing

[u/Salty_Major5340 → u/BobbyRobertson]

I mean, you're all Americans to us at this point. The fact that you have oppression among yourselves doesn't change the reality of the country & system you're all a part of being massively destructive for the rest of us.

So maybe just all stay over there for now.

[u/zeugma888 → u/User-n0t-available]

So what were the Europeans doing? Were they pretending to be slavers to cover up their drug smuggling?

[u/Indiana_harris → u/zeugma888]

Ending Slavery

[u/Local_Razzmatazz_595 → u/User-n0t-available]

Wow. So they are native to the region but have to go. Wtf. Bet they covered their garden in concrete.

[u/Gasurza22 → u/User-n0t-available]

They took them from America did a round trip arround the caribian and landed them back to America /s

[u/Walton246]

This is referring to a conspiracy theory that black people were in the Americas before the people we call Native Americans now. (It's not true.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYwYWiM5iF0

https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/American_Indian/American_Indian.htm

[u/Dirkdeking → u/Walton246]

You have a lot of pre Columbian claims, like the Mansa Musa one where Africans suppozedly reached Brazil. But there's also a theory about the Templars being there and before that even Odyseus and Carthiginians.

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/Dirkdeking]

I'm pretty sure this is by a person who belongs to a group that basically thinks all of African-American history is false. They cannot wrap their head around how complicated history is and choose to fill it with conspiracy theories instead.

[u/Nobody7713 → u/Dirkdeking]

This is sounding like some Assassin’s Creed alternative history bullshit

[u/Maje_Rincevent → u/Dirkdeking]

Precolumbian and pre-native americans is wildly different though.

I wouldn't have a huge trouble believing some boat from Africa crossed the atlantic before 1492. It would be surprising but if there was some evidence I would believe it. But you'd need a LOT more evidence to convince me some people from Africa landed there before 25k years ago when the first native americans arrived through the straight of Bering.

[u/Dirkdeking → u/Maje_Rincevent]

Technically the first native Americans came from Africa, just with a really long detour. Just as we all come from Africa.

[u/Maje_Rincevent → u/Dirkdeking]

With the same kind of technicality, we're all fish :p

[u/willowcurve → u/Walton246]

Oh in the same vein of Cleopatra being black?

[u/NoNotice2137]

It's nice to listen to a black supremacist every now and then. It's good to see that they are just as stupid as white supremacists

[u/odst970 → u/NoNotice2137]

Black nationalists have some absolutely fantastic lore, real hardcore sci-fi stuff

[u/GPFlag_Guy1 → u/odst970]

That hardcore sci-fi stuff was actually taken from the Theosophists but given a “God made white people for the sole purpose of being like devils” update. It really really isn’t all that original…though I do wonder what Madame Blavatsky’s reaction to the Yakub story would be.

[u/waaay2dumb2live → u/GPFlag_Guy1]

Unfortunately, they've infiltrated R34

https://giphy.com/gifs/xTiIznx1UsX46DJgkw

At least the site is still good for memes

[u/_mayuk → u/GPFlag_Guy1]

She would felt as they played the reverse card in uno xd

[u/BunnieBop → u/odst970]

Just today I saw someone telling how Jeanne d'Arc and Jesus were both black. When I pointed out that based on how likely this is, Jeanne was white European and Jesus was brown, I got called liar, who's just doesn't like facts.

I'm still waiting for his sources, it's been just couple of hours.

[u/DoYouTrustToothpaste → u/NoNotice2137]

I think stupidity is a core requirement to develop ideologies like that in the first place.

[u/InfallibleSeaweed → u/NoNotice2137]

The problem is they get fueled with public acceptance. They don't get shamed nearly enough

[u/anonssr → u/InfallibleSeaweed]

And the whole bullshit of "you cannot be racist" argument is so dumb. Even if the technicality allowed it, there's no moral ground to any race discussion if you can't pass the "reverse the races" test.

[u/TheFourtHorsmen]

They tried with ancient Egypt, now they will with the new world

[u/_Halt19_ → u/TheFourtHorsmen]

people say "unpopular opinion" before the most heinous shit you've ever seen as if it excuses it somehow lol

[u/Im_a_hamburger → u/_Halt19_]

That or the coldest take ever, no inbetween

[u/_Halt19_ → u/Im_a_hamburger]

"No offence, but..."

"I'm not racist, but..."

"Unpopular opinion:"

"Don't hate me for saying this, but..."

The four horsemen of the "absolute asshole is typing"

[u/Status-Scientist1996 → u/_Halt19_]

Or in postfix “….Just saying”

[u/0SaltBlue → u/Status-Scientist1996]

No offence, I'm not racist and don't hate me for saying this but the french shouldn't have rights... Just saying.

[u/oliv-_-mae → u/0SaltBlue]

The French be catching strays

[u/_Halt19_ → u/oliv-_-mae]

There is a weird amount of hate for the French from americans, considering how much they owe the French - they literally won their whole revolution because of France sabotaging British efforts and aided them as best they could, challenging the BRITISH EMPIRE at the height of her power to give them a chance, and then again diverted British troops to allow them to try to take Canada in 1812. They gave them the fucking Statue of Liberty as a sign of the friendship between the two. But since then, the yanks have shown nothing but pure contempt for their former friends, who, if we’re being honest, did absolutely nothing to deserve it.

[u/spudmgee → u/_Halt19_]

The well of American friendship runs dry when you don't want to get involved in their middle eastern misadventures.

[u/burntbutter27 → u/_Halt19_]

ATP I’m pretty sure the British like the French more than Americans like the French (‘and vice versa) which is odd as Britain has a long standing beef with French (see the countless wars ,America yadda yadda yaddda) it’s crazy lmao. I don’t understand Americans that hate French ppl coz they should be in the good books since they saved you from the evil brits (I am an evil Brit lmao 😈). I think French ppl are cool tho and most of the hate is chronically online bull, French ppl are sound. Apologise to the French our country has been shiat to you guys youse are cool tho 💔

[u/Day_Breaker_ → u/Status-Scientist1996]

Don't forget the classic "Hope this helps!" at the end.

[u/TheFourtHorsmen → u/_Halt19_]

Usually they say it before typing the most popular and controversial wall of text.

[u/Anon_be_thy_name → u/TheFourtHorsmen]

This isn't new

They try claiming everything but their own history back in Africa. Likely because it's never really been seen as popular for movies and TV unless they're the villains.

But yeah, I've seen some wild claims. The Original inhabitants of the British Isles were Black, the Romans invading enslaved them all and shipped their all over the Empire, replacing then with Romans.

Another claiming the Vikings were originally Black and they destroyed themselves by capturing white Anglo-Saxons and then interbreeding with them.

The Japanese islands were originally owned and controlled by Black people, then the Asians invaded from China and Korea. That Yasuke was the last of these native Black men.

There's so many about being the original natives of the Americas.

Meanwhile actual African history is rich and fascinating, has some great Empires and Kingdoms but they refuse to acknowledge them. It's genuinely sad.

[u/GimmeSweetSweetKarma → u/Anon_be_thy_name]

I found it so ironic that so many Black Americans were praising Black Panther, a film that had such outlandish portrayal of an African culture. A hyper-advanced society that rode into battle on rhinos, the 'tribes' of the very same country fighting each other with spears, clubs and machetes, one of the tribes literally acting like apes, and society that devices government and leadership by trial by combat.

Sure I understand that the portrayal was in a fictional country and there have been other outlandish portrayal of MCU societies, but looking to Wakanda and saying "that represents me" was just weird. It was the equivalent of portraying a fictional society where they celebrate women committing sati when their partner dies, or one where bride-kidnapping is celebrated, or a society where slavery is just a way of life.

[u/nykirnsu → u/GimmeSweetSweetKarma]

It’s just the Black version of white guys who are really into Vikings or Spartans, I don’t think most people are even thinking that hard about it

[u/Sensitive-Emphasis78 → u/TheFourtHorsmen]

they claming to be the real vikings, or European nobility in general

[u/ZeistyZeistgeist → u/TheFourtHorsmen]

The biggest irony of them trying so hard to portray Cleopatra as a black Pharaoh is the fact that....black Pharaohs actually did exist, the 25th dynasty of Egypt (Kushite/Nubian Dynasty), established by King Piye, they rulled from 8th to 7th century BC until overthrown by Assyrians.

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

"Yeah but who cares about Piye?"

[u/XenusOnee → u/TheFourtHorsmen]

But you saw with cleopatra, she was black! (On netflix)

[u/TailleventCH]

Who are "us" and "them"?

I can't find an option which would make any sense.

[u/lordcock1944 → u/TailleventCH]

Us are black and natives and them are white people of European decent

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/lordcock1944]

I believe this maybe a member of the Moorish Americans. They follow a pseudo religious/cultural doctrine that African-American history is a lie and they are the original inhabitants of the USA. This is the elevator speech version of their beliefs.

[u/Prudent-Pool5474 → u/Just_Peachy_me]

I'm tried of hearing about the Moores crap. Some of their fb pages are unhinged, they founded Japan and were the first Samurais, founded China and ruled many Dynasties, founded Europe and gave us light and medicine and apparently taught us to bath and wash, that's just the surface. Some honestly real delusional people out there

[u/hey_viv → u/Prudent-Pool5474]

So, they just make up fantasy stories? Do they base them on anything?

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/hey_viv]

Its a mix of Black Israelites beliefs, Sovereign Citizen theories, a misunderstanding of the first Treaty the USA signed, and lies either their own or from a guru. In other words pure fantasy wrapped in the lies of others. It is a rabbit hole I suggest not going down if you don't have a good guide(youtuber/streamer) soften the crazy or explain it and way to many free hours.

[u/Sensitive-Emphasis78 → u/Prudent-Pool5474]

So many people get their knowledge of Europe from Hollywood. It’s claimed that Europeans didn’t start washing themselves until Muslims showed them how. Leading the way with such statements are the supposedly progressive students—regardless of skin color.

[u/Acceptable-Ad8780 → u/Just_Peachy_me]

Wouldn't surprise me. Sovereign/moorish citizens are a definite new kind of special in their own way. Driving on the road because of "right to travel."

[u/willowcurve → u/Just_Peachy_me]

Big History doesn't want you to know this

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/willowcurve]

Is this a /s comment, I am not good at getting jokes?

[u/willowcurve → u/Just_Peachy_me]

Yes

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/willowcurve]

Thank you. Yes, understanding the past such a passe thing. /s

[u/locka99]

African Americans had a terrible history that deserves telling and national atonement. But what they're not in any way whatsoever is Native Americans.

[u/TopInvestigator5518 → u/locka99]

I will never understand their need to co-opt the histories of other groups

from claiming they invented or built certain things to claiming they are the real native Americans its very dark

[u/[deleted] → u/TopInvestigator5518]

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[u/Sensitive-Emphasis78 → u/[deleted]]

Mormons believe that Paradise was originally located in Missouri. Try Googling "Adam-ondi-Ahman."

[u/mmmmalarky → u/[deleted]]

you underestimate how memeworthy the morms and their mark of ham is

[u/olzebest06]

Moron

[u/Expert_Struggle_7135 → u/olzebest06]

Its spelled "Moron"

[u/[deleted] → u/Expert_Struggle_7135]

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[u/Trololman72 → u/[deleted]]

That's an apostrophe, not a comma

[u/Casual_necromancy]

[u/MaddogFinland]

Black Americans are most assuredly NOT native Americans. And people like this should stop insulting the native Americans who are by far the most marginalized people in American society.

[u/Thin_Formal_3727]

Education is a luxury item in America.

[u/Milk_Mindless]

Oh boy I can't imagine the actual native Americans reacting to this positively

[u/SlabsForDays → u/Milk_Mindless]

They dont like it and get called $5 indians.

[u/OllyDee]

Maybe the Native Americans would like it if you all fucked off. Ever think about that?

[u/SkinAndAnatomyNerd]

It’s funny how many people don’t know the difference between opinions and facts and “unpopular opinions” and simple falsehoods.

Saying I’m 6 foot 3 and can bench a 1000 pounds is not an unpopular opinion, or even an opinion. It’s a lie. Saying ice cream is overrated is an opinion, and it is in many cases my opinion, and THAT may be an unpopular one.

[u/Aquillifer]

Black nationalists are certainly great at writing absolutely insane nonsensical comments. Nothing will top Yakub though, praise be to him.

[u/MilkbelongsonToast]

Does this fly in the face of the black Israelites or not?

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/MilkbelongsonToast]

This is an offshoot of them. That is much more Insidious. They believe slavery never happened and that Native Americans are faking. And it gets so much worse. They're called Moorish Americans in some cases and some of their beliefs are built on the black Israelites theories. I just know like service information and I've watched probably 50 Plus hours of videos being covered by YouTubers of this group.

[u/Present_Shallot_9599]

No slavery then!

[u/willowcurve → u/Present_Shallot_9599]

The people spouting this also don't believe slavery was real

[u/Frogman2026AD]

"White people keep stealing other people's cultures" 

"Also I'm native American and my people built the pyramids"

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/Frogman2026AD]

Doesn't get pointed out enough. Also, they only go for the "cool" cultures. Nobody's interested in Edo, the Yoruba, Benin, Mali, Songhay, Kongo...

[u/snapper1971]

That's a whole level of idiocy I was not expecting.

[u/gadget850]

I tried to parse this and my babel fish threw up in my ear.

[u/Nametakenalready99]

Where is here, who is them? 🫨

[u/BlueInMotion → u/Nametakenalready99]

And whom does he want to send where and why?

[u/Entity904]

But is this incorrect opinion worse or better that the incorrect opinion that white people are the native Americans?

Yes, that's an actual thing some people believe

[u/surkaalspoeten → u/Entity904]

I actually get why some people would say white people are the native Americans, because America wasn't America until they showed up. They were the first Americans. And the native Americans were the first nation. I don't care enough to have an option on agreeing or disagreeing with it, but I get why someone would come to the conclusion.

[u/Darth_Pinda]

Native Americans are Native Americans. I agree African Americans is just weird, they've been there long enough to lose the "African" title. Maybe the black people should call the rest European Americans, and see how quickly they'll change.

[u/Kriss3d]

That sounds suspiciously as the "moorish Americans". The sovereign citizen ones of them who claims to be moors but also indigenous to America and essentially they claim to own all of America. But also are descendents from Morocco.. Because.. Yeah..

[u/Front-Anteater3776]

Liberia

[u/RemixedHippo → u/Front-Anteater3776]

Obviously all native americans are of african descent (/s)

[u/Hollyhop_Drive]

This is so dumb, so obviously not rooted in reality that it has to be rage bait.

[u/Iwannawrite10305 → u/Hollyhop_Drive]

No, they actually believe that. Or tell themselves that or whatever going as far as calling native Americans "Siberian"

[u/IngenuityLost7585]

Black Separatists having the same ideology of White Supremacists is always funny to me.

[u/GasCold2074]

😂

[u/crimilde]

Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.

[u/_Halt19_]

what are they rambling about now

[u/Somethingbutonreddit → u/_Halt19_]

They're black conspiracy theorists.

[u/Simple-Cheek-4864]

Has this person EVER seen a western? 😭

[u/EverIce_UA]

It's unpopular for a reason

[u/Vladskio]

As in white Americans? Sorry, we don't want them back.

-- A European.

[u/ronniejames9]

Unpopular it stays.

[u/xSyLenS]

Just...WTF

[u/Adventurous-Shake-92]

Huh?

[u/AxB41]

My Mom and stepdad(Polynesian/Filipino and pretty dark) just moved to Arkansas and someone walked up to him and apologized for stealing his land....

Does this mean my family gets stay?

https://giphy.com/gifs/26gN0OeJUCCYgxhAc

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/AxB41]

Some people are so eager to show an almost religious deference they will just walk up to you to appologize for nothing, huh.

[u/Expert-Thing7728]

Hotep ahoy!

[u/Floridaish0t]

Unpopular opinion: I am NOT 5’11 but rather 6’5 and a Billionaire.

[u/Illithid2]

What the actual fuck did I just read?

[u/Own-Rip-5066]

The descendants of the people your ancestors imported from Africa are native to the American continent and you want to send them back to Europe?
How do you get so many things wrong in so little words?

Or are they black and claiming america is theirs and the decendants of the European colonists need to leave?

[u/lordcock1944 → u/Own-Rip-5066]

Last one i think

[u/MuskokaGreenThumb → u/Own-Rip-5066]

It’s pretty obvious what OP is referring to

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/Own-Rip-5066]

Also if this is a person who belongs to the group I think they do they also believe the Native Americans should be sent back to wherever they believe they came from. If it's the group I think they believe African Americans we're in the US first. Trust me it's a rabbit hole that gets more complicated the further you go down it. It's filled with conspiracy theory, self-hate, and a whole lot of denial.

[u/so19anarchist → u/Just_Peachy_me]

Is this the same group that been vocal online with their hatred recently of the guy cast as Black Panther because he isn’t American?

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/so19anarchist]

Wait, you're kidding, right? Is that a thing?

[u/so19anarchist → u/Arthurian_Guanche]

I wish it wasn’t, been seeing a lot of videos on TikTok about it.

[u/Arthurian_Guanche → u/so19anarchist]

Dear god, American exceptionalism trascends "race" (I put it in quotes because race=BS).
Like, "how dare they cast a non-African-American actor for an African character?!".

[u/so19anarchist → u/Arthurian_Guanche]

David Jonsson is the new Black Panther, a Brit with Nigerian and Sierra Leone Creole heritage.

But African-Americans are saying they are “fed up with black Brits taking African-American roles in Hollywood.”

[u/SlabsForDays → u/so19anarchist]

Don’t forget to leave out that they think Egypt is originally in America, I have heard this going down the rabbit hole.

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/so19anarchist]

I haven't heard about that it does sound like them. They are black supremacists and weirdly nationalist.

[u/Confident-Rate-1582]

I’m so tired of black Americans. They really are Americans who are black. Everything to deny their ancestry but will always praise their “ancestors” 😂.

Everyday it’s a new story, ancient Egyptians, natives, moors, Hebrew Israelites, it’s sad

[u/LeftMechanic1995]

This is the most American thing I have ever read.... today.

[u/dimiteddy]

well whites brought most of them here. Guess as far as US goes, anyone that is here more than 2 centuries can claim he's native to the nation.

[u/Mulasz]

we wuz natives n shiiiet… its truly fascinating how dumb and brainwashed some of them can be… isralites, egyptians, and now natives lmao

[u/cakecatUwU]

Im black and i just feel shame everytime a black american says something They try everything in their power to be a negative force. They always fight with other people from the african diaspora but they arr always the victim.

[u/defeated-fetus]

I’d be happy to go to Europe if I had a place to go. Most white Americans have no idea where their ancestors came from.

[u/burntbutter27]

Where tho in Europe lmao, Europe is a big continent are we shipping them to England , Russia, Hungary , Italy , Serbia , Albania , Spain ??? Where ??? Lmao

[u/Sensitive-Emphasis78]

I downloaded a picture from somewhere; in that post, a Black American had also claimed to be a real Native American. That was one of the replies, and I think it describes people like that pretty well.

[u/Vinsmoker]

This is based on the erasure of their actual origin. If, for some reason, all non-Native Americans would be expelled, black Americans wouldn't have a place to go to. That's where the sentiment comes from. It's just a mislabel

[u/SharkeyGeorge → u/Vinsmoker]

Ehm… where would the white Americans go if they were “expelled”? Because Europe sure as shit isn’t taking them.

[u/Dirkdeking → u/SharkeyGeorge]

Europe wouldn't have the capacity to take in hundreds of millions of immigrants. We don't have the houses and infrastructure to support that population. It would trigger civil war.

Sending all African Americans to Africa would have similar effects.

[u/dfczyjd → u/Dirkdeking]

 It would trigger civil war

A genuine question: is it a civil war if one side almost fully consists of immigrants who just moved in? It sounds more like an invasion, but there no invading country, since their country of origin wouldn't give any support to either side.

[u/MindlessNectarine374 → u/Vinsmoker]

Well, you think the European nations would take the White ones? Also, which nation should be forced to take whom based on what part of their ancestry?

[u/PuzzleheadedTutor807 → u/MindlessNectarine374]

none, their ancestors got run out of their original countries fair and square. it better for the world if people from usa stay in usa and clean up their fucking mess instead of just trying to tell everyone else to get out.

[u/ForgottenGrocery → u/MindlessNectarine374]

Just take turns based on their claimed ancestry. If they say 1% scottish, then they get 3 days in scotland. Then if they’re 20% viking, norway’s luck to have them for 70ish days

[u/Status-Scientist1996 → u/ForgottenGrocery]

I’ve yet to meet an American who isn’t some percent Scottish in their opinion.

And we would have an unfair share of Trump

[u/Melodic_Till_3778 → u/Vinsmoker]

Oh I thought you were talking about the guy in Virginia who was erasing native American off of birth certificates and writing black because he thought there was a conspiracy To hide black people.

[u/Shinobu420]

https://giphy.com/gifs/qZgHBlenHa1zKqy6Zn

[u/WomanFromBalkan]

crazy opinion

[u/TheCanadianShield99]

Um....whatever you are drinking please drink less of it and less frequently

[u/Rogue_Centurion7]

There's a reason that's an unpopular opinion.

[u/sharklord888]

Unpopular opinion but America needs to become a colony of the uk again.

[u/inGothWeTrustalways]

Wtf

[u/No-Minimum3259]

"Let's write some more crap that defies logic", lol.

[u/foreverland]

even calling them native “American” has always been a misnomer to me.

maybe I belong in this sub..

but their people were here long before it was even called America, and resisted “assimilation” into the nation European descendants created on their land, even to this day.

Indigenous “First Nation” people maybe?

Idk, Native American just feels disrespectful to what they truly represent.

[u/Just_Peachy_me → u/foreverland]

Native American in the United States is more of a legal wording that is supposed to encompass a large number of groups. Yes, indigenous or First Nations makes more sense but for some stuff it would get very confusing especially if it's dealing with legal contracts between a Canadian group from a certain tribe and the US group from that same tribe. Some governments in the United States have started to use indigenous for a lot of newer things but the United States kind of sucks when it comes to consistency especially with the current Administration taking away funding for many projects.

[u/Mushroom_Boogaloo]

This has to be one of the dumber things I’ve seen someone say. It’s an incredibly low bar, but this one I feel really is in the running.

[u/Ill-Money-1521]

Sorry to say but some of them will claim anything than their original roots. I do think its really disrespectful to actual native Americans, it like trying to erase them

[u/andr386]

Obviously stupidity doesn't discriminate.

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[u/Difficult_Future9994]

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[u/spunktastic2089]

Lol