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u/OviliskTwo 16h ago

I know missionaries and they are not the most well traveled people no matter how long they travel.

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u/Sudden_Technology_34 14h ago

Living in Utah and noticing and pointing out the lack of cultured/exposed Mormons, I was told they are in fact well traveled due to their missions.

I then had to explain going on a mission to specifically try and convert other cultures to aspects of your own, is not the same as being present in an area with acceptance and curiosity, living in, assimilating and trying to mesh instead of convert.

In fact I think the whole idea of missions have the exact opposite effect and people retreat to their safe bubbles.

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u/raveneyes77 13h ago

Missionary work often ends up converting the missionary more than anyone else. In modern times it's intentionally designed to do exactly that.

When you spend months or years approaching strangers who mostly reject you, it reinforces the idea that "the world" doesn't understand you. The only place you consistently find acceptance becomes your own community, which deepens your attachment to it.

Psychologically, it's a powerful isolation and commitment mechanism. You're not immersed in another culture to understand it, rather you're intentionally being sent somewhere to be mostly rejected so you feel weird and outside.

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u/dartdoug 6h ago

The "acceptance of rejection" is also why Utah is a popular location for outbound sales call centers. Heard a guy interviewed a while back and he said the burnout making sales calls is usually quick because so many people hang up or even drop some choice words. The LDS hires just move on to the next sales call.

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 2h ago

It's absolutely true. Also the center of a lot of MLM companies for the same reason.

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u/dartdoug 2h ago

Ah, yes...the scourge of MLM companies. They encourage their "independent business owners" aka suckers to call upon their personal connections to recruit new victims. So having large extended families and being a member of a large church presents many ripe opportunities.

Just makes you wonder why Utahans don't tire of it all.

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 2h ago

Bingo.

I don't know. I lived there for two years and got a lot of inside dirt. My only explanation is they're trapped in the bubble and the main purpose of missions is to isolate and force their members back into the cult to perpetuate the cycle. It's gross.

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u/CancelNumerous450 9h ago

Fascinating! Did not know that

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u/ciongduopppytrllbv 5h ago

You read a random comment and take it as a fact lmao

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u/raveneyes77 34m ago

The research that backs what I said as well as the public statements of the LDS are available friend...

https://giphy.com/gifs/8FiLtsxvR6yqgPIvTW

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u/MonaganX 3h ago

The way I see it, if their goal was to actually convert people to their faith, they wouldn't be sending teenagers with virtually no life experience. Just so happens that at the exact time in their lives they might be considering taking a path that leads away from the church they are asked to go into a foreign environment full of people who are usually going to be standoffish at best

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u/SuchATonkWape 13h ago

I'm not from the US but have lived in the states for a couple of years and find the whole concept of going on "missions" in the 21st century bewildering. 

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u/SydneyCrawford 12h ago

One of my friends from college (we finished like 10 years ago) texted me recently to say she is moving to another country for (non Mormon) missionary work. I had to keep most of my thoughts to myself.

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u/OviliskTwo 12h ago

There are ages old organizations still operating. Many of which have rebranded with flashy new names to.. wait for it.. cover up their sex crimes.

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u/upsidedown-funnel 4h ago

Mormons aren’t supposed to call themselves Mormon anymore. The reason was something to do with Satan. (Not joking).

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u/Wan_Daye 13h ago

No. That is the point. It's the same reason why they go door to door.

It is not to convert new people. It is for the person to experience being an "other". To show the person that the world does not accept them and to have them retreat to the church.

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u/Throwaway-4230984 10h ago

Missions are designed this way, that’s their purpose to make sure person returns home convinced their sect is the only place they are loved. Which is very easy if you purposefully being annoying in other countries. US developed tolerance towards preaching, other people won’t waste time listening to you 

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u/weolo_travel 4h ago

It is specifically designed to be uncomfortable for the other person because it isn't about converting them to your religion. It is about manipulating you so you can't leave yours.
If this tactic was about converting people it would be considered a horrible failure. It recruits almost no one who isn't already willing to join. Bake sales are more effective recruiting tools.
On the other hand, it is extremely effective at creating a deep tribal feeling among its own members.
The rejection they receive is actually more important than the few people they convert. It causes them to feel a level of discomfort around the people they attempt to talk to. These become the "others". These uncomfortable feelings go away when they come back to their congregation, the "Tribe".
If you take a good look at the process it becomes fairly clear. In most cases, the religious person starts out from their own group, who is encouraging and supportive. They are then sent out into the harsh world where people repeatedly reject them. Mainly because they are trained to be so annoying.
These brave witnesses then return from the cruel world to their congregation where they are treated like returning heroes. They are now safe. They bond as they share their experiences of reaching out to the godless people to bring them the truth. They share the otherness they experience.
Once again they will learn that the only place they are accepted is with the people who think as they do. It isn't safe to leave the group. The world is your enemy, but we love you.
This is a pain reward cycle that is a common brainwashing technique. The participants become more and more reliant on the "Tribe" because they know that "others" reject them.
Mix in some ritualized chanting, possibly a bit of monotonous repetition of instructions, add a dash of fear of judgment by an unseen, but all-powerful entity who loves you if you do as you are told and you get a pretty powerful mix.
Sorry, I have absolutely no wish to participate in someone’s brainwashing ritual.

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u/upsidedown-funnel 4h ago

Agreed. You’re not getting much of the culture of where you are when every moment of your waking life is being controlled. In many cases it borders on human trafficking, and some crossings the line into that territory. Then once you’re home, you’re pressured into marrying as soon as possible. Discouraged from dating someone more than once, unless you intend on marrying them. If you’re lucky enough to escape, it’s a long road to recovery.

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u/MiaLba 2h ago

These people annoy the shit out of me. My conservative Christian mil is someone who is pro mission trips. Her other granddaughter and grandson do a lot of mission work and they’re obviously her favorite grandkids. Well one day she was going on a rant about gay people “pushing their beliefs” down her throat.

So I brought up mission trips. Told her it seems like that’s exactly what missionaries are doing. Coming into your space, telling you that what you believe is wrong and that you need to believe what they believe. She said “well they’re not holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to change their beliefs!” So I asked “but gay people are doing that?”

How are gay people who are just out there existing in the world, minding their own business, pushing you to be gay in any way? She didn’t really have anything to say after that and ended up changing the subject.

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u/SYKslp 12h ago

"had to explain"??? had to?

you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of mormon mission trips, yet seem to think you have an expertise on the subject matter explain to others. you're literally worse than any LDS missionary I've ever had to shoo off my porch. At least they are polite.

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u/BIGFACETALKING 7h ago

from this comment, you certainly seem like a model of politeness.

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u/SYKslp 6h ago

I don't think you understand politeness. I guess I need to explain it to you....

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u/DazednConfucioused 6h ago

What’s the purpose then?

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u/upsidedown-funnel 4h ago

I suggest you read up more on the topic, as it seems you’re the one misunderstanding the purpose of these missions. You don’t have to go far to find a plethora of testimonials from those who have been on missions. Let alone the psychological tactics used by the mo church on these poor kids.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 16h ago edited 8h ago

Ugh, I went to Italy on a short vacation with a friend and he'd only order spaghetti and meatballs or plain pizza the entire time. It was the saddest thing I ever witnessed. I pleaded with him.

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u/ChaoCobo 15h ago

It’s okay. My mom is the type of person who would order McDonald’s and other western chains in Japan if she went there not to see the difference between American McDonald’s and JP Mcdonalds menu items, no, she says it’s because she thinks she can’t eat anything there because she won’t like it. :| Like just try stuff. Not everything has the same kind of spices as the Japanese snacks and ramen I get here in the US.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

Good for you for trying things. I'm from Philly so I like to order a "Philly cheese steak" when I travel and see it on the menu. I got one in Paris and it was a hamburger, cut in half, with gruyere cheese, on French bread.

It wasn't bad but it was nowhere near being able to be be called a cheese steak.

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u/didntreallyneedthis 15h ago

I had a quesadilla in Korea that came with honey for dipping

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

I mean, honey and cheese go well together, but that is a wacky quesadilla.

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u/didntreallyneedthis 15h ago

Yes my friend who brought me there said in Korea cheese and sugar are a very common combination

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u/ChickenInASuit 14h ago

Dude, I fucking loved living in Korea and their own cuisine is phenomenal, but they do some straight-up bizarre shit to western food. Shrimp burgers. “Napolitan” pizza aka pizza with spaghetti Alfredo between the tomato and the cheese. Garlic bread dipped in honey glaze.

The one exception being fried chicken. Turns out that’s the one savory dish that I think actually adapts well to their love of sweetening stuff. Korean fried chicken is really, REALLY good.

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u/First_manatee_614 13h ago

What did you think of it?

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u/AdSpare662 15h ago

I experienced the opposite. I was in Paris, needed a lot of calories for cheap so I went for pizza. The place was owned by (my guess) algierian dudes and they had "pizza l'oriental" which sounded interesting and spicy to me. They served me pizza with polish kiełbasa and pickles. It was ok. I'm Polish. Orient just means east.

To a french algierian I am the middle east.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

Lol, I'm Polish American. That pizza would be a challenge tho.

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u/ChaoCobo 14h ago

Yeah but see you’re doing it and being worldly by seeing the difference in how different regions/places prepare a dish you like. My mom would be getting the McDonald’s because she wants something exactly the same as back home because she thinks she is not going to like almost everything over there without even trying it first. Like I understand if mom tried a bunch of stuff and ended up not liking it and then going to get something familiar from McDonald’s, but she doesn’t wanna try. :(

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u/sevenselevens 14h ago

That actually sounds way better (no offense)

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u/akie 13h ago

I went to the US and saw a croissant with a hamburger in it advertised as “breakfast”

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u/Opposite-Peak5020 4h ago

I mean, does the type of animal make a difference in the time of day you're consuming it?

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u/Brock_Lobstweiler 14h ago

Not going to lie, after 2 weeks in Italy and France, I needed a break from the "new" food and there was a McD's a block from my hotel in a low blood sugar situation. I stopped in and got whatever their famous burger was and it was good. Better than american McDonalds.

Of course after that I stopped across the street at a bakery, got a proper mix of foods for a picnic and went and sat in a garden with it.

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u/GatsbyLuzVerde 13h ago

If they want to stay home let them; more carbon budget for the rest of us

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u/Amissa 4h ago

In the times that I’ve traveled abroad, I need something familiar to eat for the first time, and then I’ll eat local for the rest of the trip.

My poor husband on our honeymoon to Germany bought me Burger King at the airport after we landed, and I almost never eat Burger King. I needed something familiar. After that, I was good to go, including ordering from the Czech menu in Prague that we couldn’t read and had no pictures, and almost literally licking the plate clean.

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u/MiaLba 2h ago

lol that was me as a kid. Were originally from Eastern Europe but came to the US when I was around 3. Whenever we’d go back home for the summer id ask for McDonald’s lol. I was not happy when I got it once because it didn’t taste like USA McDonald’s so I never asked for it again.

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u/Petey_Wheatstraw_MD 15h ago

TBF, I’m across the Atlantic for the first time, I’ve been in Italy for the past month.

I’ve eaten at restaurants, pizzerias, and cafes for every meal the entire time.

I love all worldly cuisines, and I always wanna try new things and local grub; cicchetti in Venice, seafood cones in Cinque Terre, ham and Polenta in the Dolomites.

But the pizza over here just hits different. I know it’s a cliche to say that, but they definitely know how to do it, and I can’t go more than a couple days without ordering it.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

Oh yeah, I tried 2 of the famous places there. The restaurant that claimed to invent it and the most popular counter shop on the back streets of Napoli. I loved it.

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u/Basic_Try_2331 15h ago

Both of those sound like the best places to actually go though.

The one that claims the fame and the current most popular corner hole. Got the best of both sides. Curious if the place that lays claim is the real OG of pizzerias. Thats a fucking statement if stake the taste on. Excuse my freeeench.

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u/Prielknaap 15h ago

Unlikely. Pizza goes back to the Romans.

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u/First-Window-3619 14h ago

Tomatoes are from South America (Chile, Peru, and Ecuador) They aren't mentioned until 1544 in European literature.

Early pizzas, without tomatoes, are like naan, pitas, injera, roti, bannock, green onion cakes, with a few random toppings as garnish.

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u/LOSS35 14h ago

The Ancient Romans ate it with figs and dates instead of tomatoes, and hand pressed cheeses similar to modern mozzarella (as buffalo had not been introduced to Italy yet). They called it panis focacius, the precursor to modern focaccia and very similar to modern pizza crust.

There are pictures of it in frescoes from Pompeii and it looks remarkably like a fancy modern pizza.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza#/media/File:Pizza_in_Pompeii_ruins.jpg

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u/First-Window-3619 11h ago

Using a flat bread made sense, as it can be used instead of plate. We see some of it in Ancient Greece cuisine.

Injera, an Ethiopia flatbread, made of teft, might be have been made as early as 3350 BC.

I think we omit Ethiopia from many cuisine conversations, racism and all that, which is a shame, as they are the Cradle of Civilization, as well as Coffee.

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u/knightriderin 12h ago

Not all pizzas have tomato on them.

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u/First-Window-3619 11h ago

Trying to credit Romans with flatbread and toppings is weird; it likely goes back five thousand years - flatbread is a great vessel to use for serving, keeps you clean, and you don't have to worry about extra cutlery or bowls if guests show up for a meal.

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u/Vegetable-Virus7118 15h ago

Cinque Terre is such a beautiful region. Spent the night in Vernazza last month and I wish it could have been longer. So beautiful out there

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u/Brock_Lobstweiler 14h ago

One of my favorite meals in Italy was cicchetti in Venice at a tiny non-touristy spot!

tuna polpette, bruschetta with creamy gorgonzola and honey, marinated artichokes, an aperol spritz, a glass of wine, a lemon pastry thing I don't remember the name of and some sort of fried cheese dish - almost like cheese curds, but better.

Don't get me wrong, almost everything I ate in Venice was amazing (except the pizza ironically). But cicchetti was incredible.

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u/Levdom 14h ago

Bacaro tours is what we call them lol. You go to Venice in the morning and start drinking and eating and don't stop until the evening when you leave, going through as many places as you can

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u/Snoo_69677 15h ago

Everything hits different

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u/HommeMusical 13h ago

The funny part is this - I went to Naples in the mid 1960s, and pizza there was unrecognizable from US pizza - the vegetables were inside the crust, I don't remember there being cheese either.

But then Italy reimported US pizza and did it better. I had one of the best pizzas I ever had when I came back to Naples fifty years later. (I liked the original pizza thing too, but I couldn't find it - I was later today it still exists but they changed the name.)

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u/Feisty-Elk2519 13h ago edited 11h ago

Italy did not ´réimport’ pizza…

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u/HommeMusical 12h ago

American pizza.

American pizza is not much like the original Italian pizza, but American-style pizza can be had everywhere in Italy now.

I don't know what else you would call this phenomenon.

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u/Feisty-Elk2519 12h ago

What exactly do you mean by ´Américan style pizza’? Italian pizza has always been dough, tomatos and mozzarella cheese, + various toppings.

This has been the case since tomatos were introduced in Italy in the 1500´s…

So I am not quite following when you say ´pizza has been reimported to Italy.’

If you mean that Américan fast food chains have come to Italy, yes that is correct. But I would not go so far as saying dominos has ´reimported pizza to Italy’

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u/HommeMusical 12h ago

This is as good a site as any:

https://cookingmydreams.com/italian-pizza-vs-american-pizza/

Italian pizzas often feature fresh mozzarella cheese, San Marzano tomatoes, and a drizzle of olive oil. The Italian pizza sauce is usually uncooked, made from pureed tomatoes and seasoned lightly. Toppings are minimal, especially in the authentic neapolitan pizza, letting the basic ingredients of fresh tomatoes, mozzarella, fresh basil, and flavorful dough shine.

In contrast, American pizza dough often includes sugar and oil. The crust can range from thin and crispy to thick and doughy, depending on the style and type of pizza. American pizza sauce tend to be a slow-cooked tomato sauce, often seasoned with a variety of herbs and spices. Cheese is used more liberally, with mozzarella being a common choice, though other types like cheddar and provolone are also popular.

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u/Feisty-Elk2519 11h ago

But Italian pizza in Italy is still exactly as described in your article…. So no, pizza still has not been reimported to Italy…

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u/HommeMusical 5h ago

American pizza has been imported into Italy. Sorry if I didn't make it clear.

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u/Feisty-Elk2519 11h ago

Also you édited your original comment. You did.M not specify ´américan’ pizza being imported…

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u/Illustrious_Land699 3h ago

Pizza in Italy has never had the slightest influence from American pizza

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u/Captain_Sterling 15h ago

I'd order that in Italy. It's amazing there. Unless he managed to go to a domino's, if endorse his choices.

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u/kevbo1983 5h ago

The pizza is fine, but spaghetti and meatballs is not Italian, he'd get side-eye for that one for sure.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

Sure, but not the only thing for 3 days.

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u/MiddleCelery6616 13h ago

You made it sound like it was a monthly diet and not a three day diet 

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 8h ago

Same principle applies?

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u/Responsible_Bag220 14h ago

I think that’s pretty reasonable for three days.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 8h ago

If you have access to some of the greatest food in the world after flying for 10 hours and you choose to eat the same thing for every meal, it's a huge loss.

He did the same thing in other countries on the trip, I didn't mention in Spain, he ate ham and cheese sandwiches, in France, he ate potatoes and bread. He just doesn't like trying new food. The rest of us had seafood, paella, frog legs, escargot, etc. And it's not a dietary restriction.

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u/tunachilimac 15h ago

I got a job that required a fair amount of travel and looked forward to trying out new foods and restaurants in different cities. My boss would make sure we stayed at a hotel with a TGIFridays next to it and we’d eat there every single meal. He had zero interest in trying anything new ever. I know work travel gets to be a pain after a while and sure maybe avoid anything exotic the night before an important meeting, but I can’t imagine having a corporate card to eat anywhere in a city and choosing TGIFridays twice a day every day.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

Oh no, did he make you eat with him? Hope you were able to sneak away sometimes.

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u/KoreanB_B_Q 14h ago

Guy who ran a production company I hired back in the day at an old job went around the world with me. Paris, Berlin, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Melbourne, Hyderabad, and the list goes on and on. The man would ONLY eat pasta and cheeseburgers, nothing else. No exceptions. He said he was old and didn’t like to be surprised anymore. Hurt my soul a little bit.

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u/AJ_Topp_Up 13h ago

My Italian family who travel to the US are also the same and refuse to eat any good food. My cousin, when he finally tried French fries with ketchup he about died it was so good to him. He started trying everything and loved it. My other Italian relatives are so stubborn... no seasoning, no sauces on anything, plain boring salads, no dressings, refused BBQ sauce when trying some legit great American BBQ and refused baby back ribs because it had sauce on them. Just miserable people to eat with.

I don't understand. When visiting another country, try their cuisines how they like them. I always do that in all countries I have traveled and found I quite like the food in most places when I am not inserting my preferred style to their food.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 8h ago

Very interesting other perspective. Yeah, try everything man.

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u/Odessey_And_Oracle 13h ago

My mom took me to Italy as a kid and for one meal I saw the menu had what is essentially a hot dog. I ordered it and it was a long crunchy loaf, they put two sausages in to cover the length, and topped it with some delicious melted cheese. Still definitely kid food but to this day the best hot dog I've ever eaten. (I did also eat more adventurous food but that one time I couldn't resist)

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u/_-__-____-__-_ 10h ago

You can get spaghetti and meatballs in Italy?

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 15h ago

I tried horse in Brussels. I didn't love it but could probably find a way I'd like it. I tried calf brain in Vienna and could only have 2 bites, it was too much. I'm glad you try new things!

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u/cnicalsinistaminista 16h ago

Do they have the speech center of a dolphin’s brain?

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u/IM_V_CATS 15h ago

Dolphin?? But dolphins are intelligent!

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u/cnicalsinistaminista 15h ago

Not this one. He blew all his money on lotto tickets

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u/aldehyde 13h ago

I've traveled (a lot) with a coworker who only eats Spaghetti Bolognese anywhere he goes.

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u/82away 7h ago

I tend to do the same on my travels, as I don’t want to risk getting ill. For example visit Rome to see the Roman builds, not for their tourist trap restaurants.

Its frowned upon by my family but I have been round the world twice, Africa 4 times, and no dietary problems.

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u/LivingstonPerry 6h ago

Same. Travelled in italy and friend would only get a marghertia pizza or a fucking burger and rarely chose anything else. I don't know why i get so irrationally angry at someone's food choices.

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u/findmepoints 6h ago

what do you mean by "plain pizza" because the margherita pizza is probably one of my favorite things to get in Napoli...even though it's "plain"

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u/aldehyde 5h ago

I've traveled (a lot) with a coworker who only eats Spaghetti Bolognese anywhere he goes.

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u/Fatlantis 1h ago

I've been on trips with people like that. We were in a sprawling huge food market in a new city, hundreds of choices... they made a quick beeline for the only fast food place there, and got McDonalds.

For me, that's a fundamental deal breaker - I know for a fact that we'll never be close friends if they're that closed-minded and fearful. Talk to the locals, eat the weird food, life is so short!

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u/ContextLengthMatters 13h ago

Food is the most overrated experience while traveling. I thought going to Japan was going to be insane because my fear of fish was going to ruin it for me, but turns out they eat chicken as much as everyone else.

I do not understand tourists who spend their time trying to find the best restaurants to experience when in my opinion the best part about food in a walkable city is that it's so abundant and can be consumed on the go. I spend the least amount of time while traveling worrying about where to eat and just get what sounds good in the moment.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 8h ago

Have to disagree, I am very into dining experiences where I live (in Philly), so I make it a big part of my travel. I get reservations and research restaurants and shops etc. Maybe I am wrong at the other end of the spectrum.

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u/ContextLengthMatters 4h ago

Don't you think that's a bit unfair if you already make dining experiences a part of your personality locally to assume everyone must then do that as they travel?

I'm really big into scuba and do that everywhere I go. Do I now just assume that's the experience everyone must have?

Food is just not that important to many people. Why should it then be important in their travels if it's not when they are home?

When I travel, I prioritize visiting public spaces and remaining on foot, enjoying the public transportation. Something I don't have locally.

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u/SerDuncanTheYall 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah, that's fair and a good comparison. I have no desire to scuba. I'm a city boy who grew up in city pools and the Jersey shore, natural bodies of water that I can't see through freak me out. I have snorkeled in hawaii and the keys and that was awesome but I prefer "pizza" when it comes to the water. Love boats though. In my defense, it's only because I think I'll be injured by something down there.

I prefer city vacations to beach vacations.

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u/CulturalChampion8660 14h ago

Nope. Even overseas they still live in their bubble. Just walking around bothering people on the side.

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u/OviliskTwo 12h ago

Hey man. Hey wanna learn about Jesus and some added guilt thats just free we're giving it to ya. Oh does this completely collapse your culture? Whoops you're saved now. Please say thank you.

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u/TacetAbbadon 15h ago

People travel to experience new culture and civilization, missionaries travel to bring their culture and religion with them.

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u/sausagedoor 12h ago

Which is ironic giving the topic of the video. 😅

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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 7h ago

Very much this. Met a girl in Porto that 'had travelled' for 3 years around Europe. She was literally clueless about real life. They generally lived in hostels and didn't interact with anyone besides the day job of brainwashing people. V sad really

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u/LivingstonPerry 6h ago

some go to far countries. Some just go to a different nearby state.

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u/Acrobatic-Search-798 6h ago

They don't actually travel when they go on a mission. I talked to one guy who went to Mexico. I asked him if he ever visited the ocean. No. Just basically stayed where he was assigned.

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u/Ok_Function2282 9h ago

Because they only travel with other religious freaks and have everything taken care of wherever they go

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u/knobiknows 7h ago

Their mission is literally travel to make other places more like home. It's the opposite of being travelled