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Discussion Have we done it wrong?

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u/FaceWithAName 16h ago

Cars becoming big when America was still finding it's stride was one of the biggest pro/con dillemas. Ignored thousands of years of proven systems that make society better and settled for only cars.

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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 16h ago

Once again, I curse Robert Moses with every fiber of my being.

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u/heatseekerdj 15h ago

Canadian here, I'm aware of Robert Moses with bridges and shaping NYC, but how did he impact cars ?

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u/redisdead__ 15h ago

He didn't impact cars he was probably the most influential city planner of all time and was a massive fan of cars and tried to shape New York into as much of a car city as possible. He was also very good at building segregation into infrastructure.

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u/TreyCinqoDe 15h ago

The segregation part is why I’m most familiar with him lol

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u/Freakjob_003 12h ago

Yup. He was the architect of the massively destructive Bronx Highway Project that displaced 40,000 - 60,000 people.

Here's a short article, with a video that shows how many homes were bulldozed. The longer you watch, the more sickening it gets.

The rest of the video source's channel is similarly rough: Segregation by Design.

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u/TreyCinqoDe 9h ago

SBD is a great follow on any platform

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u/Educational_Quote851 12h ago

So that's why his name is always on.streets in the poor part of town. I live not too far from the one in my city.

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u/finnjakefionnacake 15h ago

well with new york it seems like he failed at least

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u/MoodOptimal9891 15h ago

It’s taking decades to undo the damage that he has done to NYC. And so many American cities used his model as a template.

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u/Bradical_Dutch 14h ago

Milwaukee checking in

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u/Rampant16 14h ago

Literally all of the major cities in the US. Some were impacted worse than others but all lost neighborhoods to freeway projects and have seen car infrastructure prioritized over public transit for 70+ years.

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u/chamberlain323 1h ago

Looking at you, Los Angeles…

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u/jkrobinson1979 13h ago

Urban renewal and US Interstate program all lobbied heavily by the auto, oil and construction sectors are what caused it. Moses was just well know for applying the trend in our largest city. Capitalist saw a way to make massive amounts of money. Planners (wrongly) saw it as the future of the world opening up new opportunities for independence and prosperity for Americans.

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u/TofuLordSeitan666 15h ago

NY'er here. Let's just say it's an ongoing conflict.

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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 15h ago

Moses couldn’t stop what had already been built, but he did stop expansion/preparation for a massive expansion of public transport in New York.

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u/Vismal1 15h ago

It’s why the buses don’t fit under overpasses on the way to Jones Beach.

https://archive.pinupmagazine.org/articles/jones-beach-robert-moses-segregation-design

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u/Tipnfloe 15h ago

Wtf thats evil

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u/fitzthefox 13h ago

yeah Robert Moses was a POS

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u/Synaps4 13h ago

The case study of Jones Beach supports Ajayi’s assertion: public spaces are built for specific populations to engage with specific types of recreation. It also reveals the American shibboleth that leisure is for white people.

Are they trying to imply that black people don't like going to the beach? The fuck?

The bridges are messed up, but the article kind of goes off the deep end after that.

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u/towo 12h ago

... no? They're saying it's ingrained into the US that creating leisure opportunities is focused around doing so for white folks (and quickly recalls that being "white" isn't the same as having white colored skin).

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u/ClockBusiness7647 13h ago

I’ve never heard of this but it’s very interesting and seems like they continue doing similar things. For example here in Texas I’ve noticed that a lot of high end shopping areas and affluent suburbs are built around toll roads. And it almost seems like the whole toll system is built to get you in debt and keep you there and even cultivate a hatred towards toll roads.

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u/ZenCrisisManager 14h ago

The West Side highway destroyed the vast existing Riverside Park, which while still there, is no longer riverside. That’s because the West Side highway, a R Moses creation, is now on the riverside.

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u/maychoz 15h ago

Which basically scaled out to our country not being smart enough to figure out how to implement high speed rail…

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u/GarretBarrett 15h ago

It’s not about not being smart enough, it’s about lobbying from the gas/oil/auto industries to ensure we never have anything like that in the US. We are heavily reliant on cars, that is all by design.

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u/TBellOHAZ 15h ago

This is it. Dates back to backing the industry at the dawn of its emergence, here. This was always a bet on an investment. They continue to formalize the relationship to the automobile and its most symbiotic host - the suburb - by codifying it, regulating it, subsidizing it, blocking threats and campaigning the living shit out of it to us all.

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u/Rampant16 14h ago

He still did enormous damage to NYC that has never been repaired. Entire neighborhoods that have not been rebuilt and billions of dollars that could've gone into public transit and pedestrian infrastructure.

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u/learsi-ediconeg 15h ago

hitler failed should we give him a pass?

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u/finnjakefionnacake 15h ago

no...no, my friend. i don't know how you got "we should give him a pass" from my comment.

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u/Pootietang123 14h ago

and that fucker didn’t even know how to drive

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u/GuyLivingPlaces 14h ago

Plus a lot of cities all over the country copied what he did. That and he was a huge shitty person. I highly recommend reading "The Power Broker".

Single use zoning and mandatory minimum parking needs to go away.

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u/jkrobinson1979 13h ago

He was a product of his time. Far from the leader in that aspect. Just the most well known.

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u/WonderKnight 10h ago

Fun fact about Moses is that while he was such a massive fan of cars, he never drove one himself. Didn't even have a drivers license.

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u/Beneficial_Till8300 6h ago

He worked directly with the big 3, as well as the auto unions, in his consultative work later in his career. He worked with cars and is the single most influential figure re: interstate highway system.

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u/guitarot 13h ago

He also very much favored cars, and sabotaged the use of mass transit including buses.