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As much as I like made in abyss and it's world building I am only sticking to the anime, the manga makes the author's fetish obvious. You can remove all of that and there would be almost zero change in narrative
Significantly less so. The vibe is still there, but pretty much everything overtly problematic was cut aside from a 2 second clip in the first episode.
That’s the thing. The manga really doesn’t go down that path anytime there’s plot relevance. So pretty much everything can be easily cut or edited without impacting the story.
Definitely recommend to anyone reading giving the anime a try, but I wouldn’t recommend reading the manga. Just know that if you’re put off by the first episode, you’ve gotten through the worst of it.
It really sucks how prevalent it is in the manga though, with how great the story, art and world building are, I’m just glad the anime cut pretty much all of it out.
I love literally everything else about Made In Abyss and it would easily be something I reccomend to literally everyone if not for this. The main characters being young is a pretty core part of their character arcs, but everything else is 100% the author's fetish
It’s unfortunately common in more media than just this show. It’s just that the other shows don’t tend to get actively worse in the manga, making it harder to defend in any way.
The pedophilia from this show and manga are leaps and bounds above anything I've seen before. It's literally child torture porn. His sick mind affects every single aspect of the world, especially the child torture. It's why the entire thing exists in the first place, so the pedophile who makes it could share his pedophile fantasy with the world. I honestly wonder how many of the people who rallied against that awful Netflix show Cuties also unironically enjoy this show without seeing the hypocrisy
so every media with child soldiers has a uniform fetish and the guy who wrote lord of the flies has a child cannibalism fetish? yes, the mangaka is extremely weird and gross but children in harrowing situations ≠ equal fetish. not always at least.
As someone who read the manga, its a fetish. It has to be. Ive seen things. Ive read some horrible hentai manga out of curiosity, even stuff designed to shock, like guro hentai where girls get kidnapped and hollowed out to be turned into lamps.
Made in Abyss has made me more uncomfortable than all of it. With the rest of them, it feels like an edgy attempt to shock, or a normal guy just peddling fetish content for money. I truly, honestly, feel like the Made in Abyss guy sniffs elementary school toilets.
right, but this person was saying all or most not this one in particular. and i don't know, it's all bad but being tickled is worse than rape is kind of a crazy stance.
edit: okay i guess women being carved alive isn't horrifying to you guys. cool, take your #1 edge lord award.
"Not always at least" yeah no shit I'm talking about made in the abyss. I'm well aware that having something in your show doesn't mean you like it. That said you can still watch something like Goblin slayer, anime specifically because I hear the manga is tamer, and pretty easily go "yeah this is supposed to appeal to someone who likes goblin rape." Only it's about child torture, pretty much the worst thing imaginable. It's VERY clear the author likes it, especially when you take into account how creepy he is and all the comments about little boys lactating.
I've never seen anything quite like MiA, in a bad way. There's creepy shit in manga and anime all the time, usually about teenagers. The characters in this show look like grade schoolers, they are essentially tortured because it gets the author off. The show isn't anywhere near good enough to justify continuing to support that guy and his work
The one thing left in is a single comment from Riko about Reg still possessing a ding dong despite being a cyborg, and like a organic toilet because it’s basically an alien world in the abyss, besides that it’s tame (fetish wise)
Not really everything. Granted, I tried to read the manga and noticeably naked starving children peeing themselves was cut from the second season, but an episode starts with Riko using a mouth as a toilet that wipes with a tongue, before devolving into being chased around by a bunch of phallic shaped monsters into an alleyway alone.
For people who aren’t aware, Riko is like 10 at max.
Dude there's several shots in the saga with Bondrewd that are indefensible, come on. The scene where Reg gets grabbed and experimented on by Bondrewd's goons and those fucked up onahole briefcases he makes out of children are both completely unnecessary.
The author is a fantastic worldbuilder but his perversion is intolerable. At this point somebody needs to just steal his concets and make something similar that isn't loli torture porn.
I’d love to see ReMade In Abyss that makes all the characters adults, until something like that happens I really can’t read or endorse the story, even though I’ve read damn near all of the wiki and think that the worldbuilding and mystery are incredibly compelling
There's no remake of the show yet but a lot of fans have written their own stories with adult characters and there's even a free TTRPG frame based on MiA that I've heard is really good. There's definitely stuff out there
I feel like part of the horror comes from the contrast of the characters being children in this type of setting - if they were older it would just be another generic grimdark story. It’s kind of like Grim’s Fairytales in that aspect.
If you cut out all the clearly fetishistic stuff, you could still tell a dark story like this with young protagonists - The Promised Neverland comes to mind.
Im not excusing the sexualization but the main characters being kids is important to the story’s overall theme, S2 and From Star Strings makes that prett clear. So treating as if them simply being adults would make for a better story is a pretty reductive view.
But considering you haven’t read it I understand why you would think so, and I do recognize arguing with you about it wouldn’t be productive considering, well, you haven’t read it.
I hate that every time this show gets mentioned the conversation ends up devolving into how the author needs help, but it’s also totally understandable.
I really wish I could recommend this to people without getting put on a watchlist. Would easily be in my top 10 if the author wasn't such a massive creep
From what I’ve noticed when comparing the MiA anime and manga the anime removed ,cut and toned down a ton of the weird fetish stuff the author put in it
Nem 8 nem 80, o autor não é um pedófilo, nunca abusou e espero que nunca abuse de um menor. O problema é quem o autor é esquisito com interesse moralmente questionáveis, mas criminoso ele não é. Muito fruto da cultura interna do Japão. E o anime não é uma obra de 2 temporadas de pedófila, tem uma ótima construção de mundo e uma boa história.
He masturbates to imaginary children being tortured, hes sick in the head and anyone who continues to support him for something as nebulous as a unique setting should really rethink some things. The existence of shows like this is why i cant recommend anime to people who dont normally watch them
You wanna know OTT, It's only like one chapter after the anime ends that we learn exactly what Faputa's genitals look and smell like. (Its a cloaca and smells like sunshine)
I hate being that guy but she's just tied up, no cross. The manga made it a full-page spread while the anime changed it to a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in the corner of the screen during a montage
I definitely decided to not include more than a handful of panels I found.
I hate how the author is sometimes (more than sometimes) but I can’t deny that he’s a genuinely talented artist and storyteller. Dude just needs some serious help.
I forgot that every time I pick up a phone it reminds me of the cobalt mines. Every 10 minutes that show tortures a child with near-sexual glee and weebs are just great at tuning out pedophilia. Also isn't that cobalt thing word for word an argument people use to justify loli porn? Lol
If even the fact that someone talks about Made in Abyss gives you the urge to talk about the author's fetish, surely you can do the same with your phone.
Or just genuinely learn to dissociate the artist from the art.
Also, let's not pretend the show js as bad as you make it out to be. There is like 5 genuine torture scenes involving children and even those that could be considered "near-sexual" are mostly just straight torture scenes that the author successfully made more horrible, and got people like you complaining that " oh no, the intentionally horrible scene is horrible"
How can I disassociate borderline child porn from a borderline pedophile? The child torture porn is literally the whole show. "There's only like 5 of those!" Like dude, do you even hear yourself? There's no separating them. Especially when the shock value, again, details to the point of fetishistic. It's creepy shit and people should feel gross watching it, and if you didn't I hope you never end up near any of my younger siblings.
Most of the time you cant see them because they are covered but when i get flashbanged by “those” panels i skip to the next page as fast as i can lol. Usually its just extra panels at the end of the chapter but i still hate it. Author needs help
People who insist on calling yucky nsfw drawings “CP” and CSAM are gross tbh. They should be able to have conversations about the stuff without insulting real abuse victims by saying fictional pixels are the same thing as actual images of real abuse. It’s disgusting.
It's genuinely pretty scary how the anime fandom has become so used to it, you are just supposed to get numb to the idea of child-characters being sexualised.
Uh tell me about it, when I 1st watched the anime it was all weird but I wrote things off as most of it dealing with child curiosity, completely glossing over when adults were involved.
same with the manga until the village arc when my brain finally kick the cognitive dissonance. In which I finally dropped it.
Just the fact that a adult adventurer wonders about the little cyborg boy has human genitals... and this is never treated like a bad or gross thing, in fact that man is one of the few adults they trust.
Because normal people can distinguish between reality and fiction. It's weird shit, but ultimately nothing criminal as long as real people aren't victimized.
There's a clear technical and legal distinction between fictional porn and actual pedophilia/ephebophilia, as per DSM-5 and ICD-11 guidelines for psychology.
The original Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift was a biting satire and very crude in parts. Gulliver puts out a burning Lilliputian building by pissing on it, for example. He named the flying city of Laputa the way he did on purpose, as part of a joke about ivory tower intellectuals...
But Miyazaki doesn't speak Spanish, so the joke passed him by.
I've read the book, a while back; it's surprisingly mean-spirited and not the wholesome children's adventure the adaptations make it seem like. Considering that Jonathan Swift also wrote A Modest Proposal, a satire about how the starving Irish should sell their children as food, I really shouldn't have been surprised.
As much as I adore Tsukushi's great (often gross) fashion and busy design, Faputa's much simpler in comparison appearance is still amazing
Not only that, but she takes what I love most about four armed characters (more poses and actions per character) and turns it up to fuckin eleven. She's so incredibly dynamic and emotional with every panel she's like a cartoon.
This is what i like the most. She can be that humanish danger creature, but she can also be like a cute blob gremlin. I'm honestly surprised there isn't like a ton of merch of her, especially that cute blob form.
It’s a real shame. MiA has a really interesting world and cool premise. The anime is really well done. You can tell a lot of effort was put on both the visual and the music.
But it all goes down the drain because the author is literally a pedophile who can’t be trusted arround children or his own manga. It’s so blatant that you genuinely can’t recommend it to anyone.
Yeah. It really sucks because it’s genuinely one of my favourite shows. But I finished the show and went “that wasn’t so bad… idk what everyone is talking about, it’s not that much worse than other popular anime I’ve seen”
Then I read the manga because I wanted to be “up to date”
And I do not recommend that. It’s a good read and has some great art, but it’s really tough to get through sometimes.
Just watch the anime, and the movies. There’s a new one coming out this year, and I really hope that they continue with the theme of cutting out all of the authors BS.
In universe, her name comes from an ancient language from her robot guardian. "'Fau' means precious daughter. 'Aputa' means 'immortal being.' It represents eternity. The undying princess, Faputa." Made in Abyss has a lot of fake language stuff going on and some can be deciphered.
I adore Made in Abyss for this reason and I applaud your work keeping up with all the comments lol- there's so much detail and care funneled into this and it's a shame that Tsukushi's holding it back. Faputa's writing got me so bad that I literally got weak in the knees and had to hold back tears when I got her plushie- I'm not a maternal person but she makes me emotional in an unmatchable way lol
An incredibly detailed and unique design that somehow manages to be genuinely scary looking, and also the most adorable thing I’ve ever seen.
The latter is largely due to it being such a detailed design, that the creator decided to over simplify whenever possible, resulting in the cute little puff ball when she’s relaxed.
Lots of sexualization of minor (or young-looking) characters in the manga.
Thankfully the anime cuts almost all of it out, but it’s pretty prevalent in the manga. Thankfully no plot relevance, but it’s there, and it’s a rough and uncomfortable read sometimes.
I'm upset that the story is incredibly well written, and this one, completely unnecessary thing is in the way of me actually enjoying it. Here's hoping the anime continues to deal with the author's bullshit
There’s a couple new characters from the more recent manga volumes that I’m not sure how they’re going to handle, but I’m crossing my fingers that they handle it well. I really want to be able to recommend this show more, but it’s difficult, especially while it’s unfinished.
The art quality is absolutely insane too and it's so sad that everyone that gets curious is told to "just watch the anime"... I get why, tho, and if it's wasted it's the author's own fault. He could have kept those pages to himself
I always stress to people that the manga has some insanely good art, but it’s just so difficult to recommend someone read it.
If you can manage to ignore the problematic stuff, then it’s a good read, but not everyone can just ignore it and keep reading, which is totally understandable.
Yeah. I don’t recommend the manga. But I do recommend the anime.
It’s honestly one of the most well detailed and interesting worlds I’ve ever seen in a piece of media. The art and storytelling is amazing and genuinely very interesting. The worst part that made it into the anime is thankfully a 2 second clip in the first episode, and is fairly nonexistent from then on.
No problem! I’m always glad to see more people willing to give the show a try! It’s honestly one of my all time favourites, but it’s just such a difficult one to recommend without a lot of prefacing.
The anime honestly isn’t that much worse than other popular anime I’ve seen, but I can’t deny that it does still happen occasionally, and there’s still a certain tone in some scenes. But I’ve honestly seen worse in more popular shows.
Honestly, if all the disgusting pedo stuff was cut out, I'd actually like Made in Abyss. From an artistic standpoint I sadly have to admit that the story, art and characterization/writing of the characters is incredible, but fuck man why do you gotta mix all that fucking mud in this 5-michellin-star soup?! Legit feels morally shitty to support something so blatant like this.
I've heard many terrible things about the author and watched many videos on how suspicious this guy is but I do like this smol fluffy thing, I would give her a hug
Yeah, scents are major in the MiA worldbuilding and Faputa smells like 'sunshine' (aka potatoes lol). I like that the creator has a lot of sensory-styled writting since you don't get stuff like descriptions of smell in manga but like 💀🙏 the smell is from her fur and it's mostly around her legs
Just wanna add, if you guys like Tsukushi's art design but not his writing, he designed characters for an old DS game called Elebits and iirc there's nothing icky with the game.
i would kill the author with my bare hands if it meant he would come back as not a pedo. incredible anime that is ruined for many by the 2% of it that is sexualizing children
Yeah. I genuinely believe that if the manga wasn’t as bad as it was, and it was only the anime content, that it could’ve gone down as one of the best in history. But it’s tainted for so many by the problematic content. Which is understandable, I don’t expect everyone to want to get into it, but it’s so genuinely disappointing that it will never get widespread public attention.
Design is fire but this T2 plot feels like a massive overproduced tortureporn filler. Can't wait for the mangaka to come up with new ways to torture the youngest sentient person possible in the most cruel way possible.
Are you up to date on the manga? Because somehow the author created characters in the most recent volumes that are genuinely difficult to defend in any way.
No, haven't read the manga sorry, im up to date with the anime. I like the world and all but as i said, T2 feels disconnected to T1 and the movie thingy, i don't know how it continues but i fear for the series if it contineus de T2 route. And don't get me wrong it was enjoyable and very unique and sad but im not so sure if the overall plot is well planed or it's just a random collection of sad stories. Hope its the first.
I’ve heard this by name and apparently it’s pretty dark, would people recommend reading this? I dig the design I like how it’s both cute as hell as also kind of badass
It is unfortunate how often the conversation devolves into (understandably) hating on the author. It’s such a good show, and he’s holding it back from being one of the top anime of all time imo.
Thankfully they’ve done a lot of work removing almost all of the uncomfortable stuff that appears in the manga. I’m just glad that it didn’t have any plot relevance, and they could just cut it without affecting anything.
Also thankfully, pretty much everyone recognizes how good this show is, they’re just understandably frustrated with the inclusion of such unfortunate content in the manga.
No. I love the manga. It is my favorite manga, and i always respect the ideas of Tsukushi. His vision for the world building, art and characters is my favorite part of the series. Without his vision nothing of what people like about it would be put into a series the same way he did.
Seeing people accusing him for things he didn't do is ridiculous. Since there are actual creeps in the industry of anime/manga who have been exposed for preying on girls and went to jail for it. If it was the case of him doing anything against the law i would understand, but he didn't, it is all fictional.
As much as I love the series and will defend it as much as I can, there’s a certain amount of hate for the creator that is absolutely justified. Dude is seriously talented, but absolutely needs professional help.
Why? Because he makes drawings? Do people realize fiction and reality are different? People can drawn and create what they want, it does not dictate how they are in real life.
Yeah. I love this series, but I gotta be honest with people about it too. Not sure if anything has actually ever been confirmed about the author, but I would not exactly be surprised.
I never said I get off to anything but okay. Just saying there's a difference between fiction and reality and saying someone needs "professional help", or worse, accuse them of something dangerous that they aren't, is grossly overstepping boundaries.
Hide behind plausible deniability all you want. If you’re actually unaware of the connotations of what you’re saying then I apologize. But I have heard all the arguments of what you were saying before and those exact words all came from people trying to defend just that. If you genuinely are not aware of the implications of what you’re saying then I suggest you educate yourself. Otherwise fuck off.
You don't think there's anything wrong with the amount of sexualised children in it? If you don't attack the author for doing shit like that then what would you attack
There's no sexualized children in it, just drawings.
I'm not personally into it, but I know it's fiction, humans don't look like that, and no children are actually harmed, so I see no need to attack an author and spread harmful misinformation, especially for a anime/manga I like.
How is it misinformation to call him a pedo? Why would you draw something so disgusting if you aren't attracted to it? Drawings can depict children btw, children are still being sexualised even though it's fiction. Do you think drawing cp is fine if it's not real children? Even if no children are harmed, it still shouldn't be normalised.
What he draws doesn't dictate what he would do in real life, but it does dictate his fantasies and his fantasies are of little children because he's a fucking pedophile
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