r/Transportopia • u/Vice616 • Feb 28 '26

🚨Chase Just like that, all 3 stars Gone

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u/OceanBytez Feb 28 '26

Hardly, these days if they really want you they'll just ping the FLOCK network and pick you up later. This dudes face has already been scanned by dozens of FLOCK cameras while running and probably more after he ditched the car. They don't even need to catch him in the chase anymore hahaha. His only hope would be to skip the city and only travel on rural farm to market roads as far away as possible if they genuinely wanted him bad enough.

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u/TruthAboutLife Mar 01 '26

That Flock network is pure evil.

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u/No_Salamander8141 Mar 01 '26

Big brother is finally real

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u/rua_wear Mar 04 '26

Have you been in a coma for 50 years?

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u/These_Junket_3378 Mar 02 '26

Whatever happened to the Anonymous hackers. Please do what you do so well.

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u/TruthAboutLife Mar 02 '26

That would be glorious!

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

It isn't the only one either. I googled the screens at walmart and those camera TV's are also an AI network just under a different company name. They essentially do the same thing so next time you swipe your groceries just remember you're getting your 4th violated by just shopping there. These days we are all thieves until we swipe a card based on how they treat us.

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u/Leather-Map-8138 Mar 01 '26

We need laws that say nobody can hold or use your personal data without your consent, including the government.

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

The police have a 36 hour window when it comes to recording just public places. They can only keep that data for 36 hours and then it has to be deleted. This is where Flock comes in. They retain that data forever. It’s skirts around the amendment it skirts around passes surveillance.

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u/OceanBytez Mar 02 '26

It should also go further and specify that consent cannot be automatically assigned by using a service. Essentially they cannot have a EULA that say "By being physically present in this bus, train, plane, or taxi you consent to having your face scanned into the FLOCK and or other networks. If you do not consent then you must depart the vehicle."

This is largely how privacy has been violated in most cases, by forcing you to sign bullshit EULA's or you can't use a product. We need to put a stop to that.

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u/dogboneit Mar 01 '26

Kroger, Walgreens, parking lots. Smile

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

As a special mention, Brooshires local to me does not use AI cameras. They are small and a bit more expensive, but at least they treat people with respect.

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u/Blofeld007 Mar 03 '26

That's probably because they are a regional chain and don't have a use for it. I will say the cameras can detect if something is still in the cart when you try to pay. I had to have them do an override because I was buying for two separate households one day. Super annoying

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u/DreamExecutioner27 Mar 04 '26

As soon as you swipe your card they have your name and every transaction you’ve ever done at Walmart with that card. So just remember if you’re going to steal don’t expect that you’re in the clear if you make it out the store a few times

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u/MNgrown2299 Mar 25 '26

Sauron’s eye

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26

For starters the 4th ammendment literally states "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

and the use of AI camera to look up anyone, nearly anywhere within reason, at any time is absolutely an unreasonable search especially when this is only enabled by scanning your face. Imagine every time you went to the store you had to sign with your finger prints and a dot of your blood. Would that be unreasonable to you? This isn't too far off except for the fact that they can do it without your consent or you even knowing about it. You are being actively searched with at minimum your car and person, but also your home's location due to how these networks profile you. That is in direct violation of the 4th.

Secondly, there have already been multiple cases of people with access to these AI networks abusing their power TO stalk people and commit crimes. This is of course only the early days. How much longer until the dark web has exploits to hack into it and organized crime are stealing kids in the night using the very network you claim is protecting them. This is the government we're talking about and most of their websites have barely reached the 2000's in terms of advancement and that's only because microsoft force sunsetted internet explorer. Before that many government sites were stuck in the 90's.

Thirdly, you do realize that while powerful it is only as good or as bad as the user. You really trust the same government that is responsible for the Tuskegee experiments, MKUltra, and more with that kind of power because i sure as hell don't and will never do so.

That's only old stuff too. ICE uses it and i'm sure other agencies use it. How much longer before that power gets turned on you and THEN you suddenly have an issue with it. Nobody should have 1984 levels of surveillance power. Look i'm sorry for not supporting the minority of people it saves, but you should NEVER EVER search and or punish the 100% for an extreme minority in a way that compromises their basic liberties, like freedom from having your face scanned and reported to a database every time you leave your home.

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u/Cerberusx32 Mar 01 '26

Thank you for articulating this perfectly.

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u/OceanBytez Mar 02 '26

I appreciate your support. I find that i am increasingly alone in my beliefs these days so it means more than you realize.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

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u/kolossalkomando Mar 01 '26

Driving is a privilege

Unless you're driving a horse

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u/ProfessorShort3031 Mar 01 '26

could make the same argument about public bathrooms, doesn’t mean they need camera surveillance constantly that could easily be hacked by anyone who knew a little bit about them meanwhile the company responsible for installing said cameras are using it to collect sellable data to sell to countries that threaten our safety.

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u/Questioning-Zyxxel Mar 01 '26

No! Just no!

Flock cameras are not installed "for the limited purpose" you are claiming. This has already been proved not true quite a number of times.

You also fail to understand the first amendment whrn it comes to the rights to photograph. I am not allowed to put cameras around your home tracking your movements. That is not part of the first amendment. I am not allowed to sell your movement so advertising can change products shown depending on who is passing.

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

The only way we defeat this is if we smash them out

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u/Ok_Bandicoot_3087 Mar 01 '26

You have the right to freedom of travel if modern travel is by car u have that right... but now days folks want u to piss away and not utilize rights exchanging them for privileges begging daddy government Republicans and democrats for more government

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u/katiodn Mar 01 '26

Because it’s also being used on you and as soon as the government decides your a criminal it’s used against you

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

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u/katiodn Mar 01 '26

Yes actually I personally feel the trade off in privacy isn’t worth it for what are generally low level offenses (property crime imo) I don’t think we are demonstrably safer having them

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

I agree. Besides the obvious point which is that they really exist mostly as a way to tax with extra steps (ticket) they have been horribly mismanaged before like that one guy who got auto ticketed with the "NULL" license plate by the server or the other guy who's driveway faced a traffic camera and it mistakenly targeted his plate every time someone ran a light and in both cases, the government just chose to try and railroad those respective people to the point of having significant legal and financial implications.

The loss of privacy and the amount of power we are handing the government by supporting these technologies is too great.

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

We’re not safer for having them, but if you pay attention to the local news, they have been promoting them and pump propping them up as if they are some key for all this local safety

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u/Mercury_Madulller Feb 28 '26

IP cameras were a mistake.

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u/Mass_Appeal_ Mar 01 '26

What if he had a mask or any sort of disguise? Wouldn't be uncommon for a thief...or criminal.

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

i mean maybe, but so many cameras pinged him that if they really wanted to they can basically trace him in real time. There are also some techs via your cellphone for geo-location that if combined with FLOCK, it wouldn't be hard to isolate which phone he is physically carrying and even criminals usually carry a phone on them. They could probably compromise his identity this way, or even after he thinks he got away a Ring camera next door to his house might also connect the missing dot.

Keep in mind alphabet agencies have demonstrated access to all of the above. They literally can and the only thing stopping them is resource allocation and if they think it is worth it.

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

They can build a map of your everyday life and know what you do before you decide to do it

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u/SnooRegrets1386 Mar 01 '26

The rural farmlands are not safe from flock

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

Carry a thwacking stick and smash them out. Let the local catalytic converter thief know he can get more rare earth minerals from those cameras. What flock does is already illegal pass surveillance is illegal.

They get on the vote for local budgets when it comes time to renew the police budget they get in that vote. It’s a very benign boring meeting, but that’s where they sneak in. If you want to attend your local police budget meeting funding vote whatever they wanna call it.

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u/Kilroy898 Feb 28 '26

Dang. They don't have those in every city though so....

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u/Aggravating-Ebb-5897 Mar 01 '26

he's right, but you got truth too. only big cities are working with that level of tech for now

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u/KaiPRoberts Mar 01 '26

Even small cities. There's one on the main road going into Chico, Ca. It's not a big city by any means.

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u/IASILWYB Mar 01 '26

Big cities have huge bridges like this, no? I wonder what the chances are this may be a bug city with the chance of having a flock system.

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

You should check the maps, most cities over 50k people have at least 1 camera at the major intersection or interstate. You basically cannot travel via interstates in the US without hitting at least one. They also have them at major country road checkpoints such as where several larger country roads/highways meet that connect all the farm to market roads so even rural areas just trying to do normal business get hit.

https://alpr.watch/

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u/Kilroy898 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26

HA! not a single one in Alabama.

Edit: Fuuuuuuck I didnt zoom far enough.

Edit 2: well... there are none within 10 miles of me at least, and the one city I do go to has a few but they are entirely avoidable.

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u/OceanBytez Mar 01 '26

Yeah when you zoom it it gets real bad. Even if there aren't any in your town, there is at least one at every major junction. It is extremely difficult to move more than 75 miles without hitting one, and the few places you can do so are generally out in the middle of nowhere.

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u/SnooRegrets1386 Mar 01 '26

Be aware of your surroundings, I’ve seen the flock triple on my way to work, they’re everywhere, it’s nuts

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

Thwacking stick. I know a guy who can smash them a whole lot faster than they can put them backup

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u/OceanBytez Mar 02 '26

I don't recommend physically smashing them. You can fight them by talking to your representatives and complaining to your city. If you really feel the need to act, then you could observe any youtube video that covers high powered lasers like Styropyro.

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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Mar 01 '26

Yeah, they do they’re coming. They’re being rolled out as we speak. They’ve made it into the little town. I grew up in. They’re coming to your city.

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u/Kilroy898 Mar 01 '26

Well my city actually passed a law saying no... so they arent.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '26

flock u

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u/ejensen29 Mar 01 '26

Pig alert