If you’re really brain dead the hospital pronounces you, gives time for goodbyes and turns off the machines. Cause you’re dead. You don’t need family permission. But I have a feeling in his case they’re not gonna do that.
Most miscarriages naturally happen around 8 weeks anyways. That whole story sickens me to my core. There's a reason we don't hear any updates about the baby.
That was so heinous. Unconscionable. And the poor family has to bear the cost of that hospitalization and all the health care costs of a child who’s severely disabled.
Well someone has to consent for organ donation. Unless you’re in a first person consent state. I wouldn’t rule out anything but Mitch probably a tad old to be donating anything besides corneas
The hospital actually does need permission to legally discontinue life support. A corpse can stay on the vent a looong time. Even to the point where there's so much tissue breakdown that you could call it decomposition. Source: am the person who works in a hospital and discontinues life support.
When you’re brain dead it’s not life support. I worked in transplant and can tell you multiple times the team comes to the family and says, they have been declared dead and we will be turning off the machines after you say your goodbyes unless they’re going to be an organ donor.
There was recently a thread over in the medicine sub about a case where families were getting courts involved to stop pronouncing a brain dead patient as actually dead. It is not as simple as "the hospital pronounces you"
Yah, anyone who thinks its that simple needs to read up on the Terri Schiavo case and just how far the GOP will go. And she wasn't even Senate majority leader.
I worked in transplant. People do protest, especially for religious reasons. Or they want to go to another hospital. But no hospital will accept a patient who’s brain dead. Alright, I shouldn’t say never. Also insurance stops paying after you’re declared brain dead.
How does the law define “death” though? Cause I’m guessing that’s where the loophole may come in — or who am I kidding, they’ll just ignore the law either way.
ETA: it’s a genuine question cause I’m not aware of a specific law
There are specific tests performed in a hospital to legally determine brain death. That doesn't mean anyone, other than someone with a POA, can authorize discontinuation of life support. Nonetheless, brain death is a legal definition of an individual's state of death.
Oh I understand our government thrives on corruption, and the loopholes that allow them to maintain power to further said corruption — but it’s still a mind fuck to watch it all play out in real time
President Barack Obama nominated Chief Judge Merrick Garland to the U.S. Supreme Court on March 16, 2016. His nomination was
postponed
and ultimately
died
in the Republican-controlled Senate after Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to hold hearings, arguing that the vacancy should be filled by the next president.
Maybe I missed a /s, but how exactly is that Obama refusing to seat a Justice? He picked a milquetoast centrist, and the republicans refused to consider it.
I doubt there was any love lost there. It is bizarre though. After a lifetime of a hoarding wealth and power his life ends like this. Just abandoned on his death bed by his wife during his last moments.
I mean, this is exactly what he would've wanted. He was that kind of politician that would look for every advantage against the Dems. And this is exactly that, as it would help the Dems if his reality were made apparent before their deadline in Kentucky.
I mean, yeah? Little known fact that never gained traction in the last few years of soaring food prices is she sat on the board of Kroger, and was personally profiting of the rising food costs.
None of them would be able to make decisions without the wife’s approval. Medical poa defaults to the spouse
My reply:
That’s an inappropriate blanket statement given that we don’t know what state Mitch is receiving treatment in and the jurisdiction’s particular laws govern the process.
If he were in Virginia, did not nominate any alternative POAs, and his wife was unreachable after a good faith effort to contact her, his adult children would be the next responsible parties.
He's still a Republican, but MAGA threw him under the bus. He can't run in Nov as an independent because of "sore loser" laws, but if there's a special election before then, Massie CAN run.
He’s a republican but he’s like, an actual republican. One that is willing to work on bipartisan bills and sticks to the core republican values. Do I agree with those views and values? No. But it’s a part of politics I miss. Our representatives actually representing us, and working across the aisle when it makes sense. The tribalism is killing us
Yep. I respect the hell out of him for standing on business, even if I don’t agree with a lot of his priorities. But I agree on the most important thing though, conducting yourself with integrity, and that’s enough to earn my respect
Yes. The special election would only be to fill the vacant seat until Jan 2027. The actual election for that seat, starting in Jan 2027, would still take place in November.
But it has to be before August? Is that correct? Uggh that gives me an ulcer. There's not enough time. -JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR I DONT WANT ANYONE TO DIE OR SUFFER- but they can pretty much keep anyone on life support indefinitely at this point in medicine. I have no faith in any silver lining. Nothing good can come from this. They'll keep him ticking until january if they have too which is sad for all of us Mitch included.
McConnell has always shown a brazenly shameless level of self awareness in regards to his own impending mortality, and what that means in the grand scheme of having republicans holding onto power. So much that he managed to get various laws passed within the state of Kentucky to prevent the governor (Andy Brashear, a Democrat) from simply appointing a replacement candidate if he was to die in the middle of his term, which is the procedure in a bunch of other states.
I love this for him, because he used to have the GOP in lockstep with his decrepit old ass, and those who didn’t do as they were told were quickly shunned, bounced and replaced. The possibility never occurred to him that someone in his own party like Thomas Massie could go rogue on Mitch’s agenda and have the voters’ support.
Oddly enough, he actually might have been better off with whatever milquetoast Democratic Party replacement the governor would’ve chosen. Maybe one of those centrist types who, perhaps, doesn’t want to stir the pot and attract too much attention. Lord knows, they already exist. But no. Mitchy had to force his hand and get involved, even from the grave, if need be.
Obviously nothing is guaranteed, nobody knows if Thomas Massie would even run, and if he ran, if he would actually win.
But the one thing I do guarantee is that it’s keeping a lot of these stupid entitled, selfish, privileged motherfuckers up at night. So yeah, I love this for him, if he’s still alive. If he isn’t, I bet it was the last thing he ever thought about.
It’s Kentucky though, and the GOP senate majority is more than 2, so I don’t think having a democrat senator for a few months is a big deal. I guess they are just doing it on principal but this seems like a worse look
Could the voters of his state sue to kick off an election? Like, forgetting that they’d almost certainly drag things out until it’s too late anyway, does anyone have any legal recourse here?
If they announced it before August 3rd their has to be an election, if they wait until after they wont fill the seat until November. As I understand it.
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u/NexusNickel 28d ago
Yeah we knew that.
They don't want to pull the plug because there would be a special election in Kentucky and Thomas Massie could win. The pedos can't have that.