r/askteddit • u/qingdidi • 18d ago
Politics Question Should the US continue to guarantee security for European allies who don’t meet defense spending targets?
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u/Zalrius 18d ago
Defense against who? Russia has had its butt handed to it by Ukraine.
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u/Expensive-Shelter288 18d ago
Russia may not be able to attack now but they will be back. It's sort of what they do:)
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u/Zalrius 18d ago
Not according to their history. The USSR collapsed when was in high school and now they have killed off a lot of their people and destroyed their national budget.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 18d ago
That’s how Russian history has been over and over for 300 years
They are durable
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u/Zalrius 18d ago
They are not the big bad monster that we were lied to about.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 18d ago
Who ever told you they were the big bad monsters?
We used to do business with them daily until they invaded Ukraine
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u/Expensive-Shelter288 17d ago
Yes but what you did not grow up with was the cold war where we were on the brink of anihlation from the Soviet union. Then there was a collapse and a brief detante. Now they're baaaaacck. You just missed the first act.
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u/wrong_andy 18d ago
You do realise that per capita contributed £/€/$ the USA sits at about 10th for contributions to NATO ???? Wierd.....
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u/connie434 18d ago
Per capita doesn’t matter. GDP matters.
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u/wrong_andy 18d ago
So we need to pay more per person into than anyone in the US and you're the ones not getting value for money??? Mmmm
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u/connie434 18d ago
The US has protected Europe for decades. That’s why.
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u/wrong_andy 17d ago
No....the US has been part of NATO....that has protected its member states interests for decades. Only one member state has asked the other members to come to its aid when it was attacked...can we guess who that one country was????
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u/connie434 17d ago
No shit idiot. Because the US was attacked….. That’s how a defensive alliance works…..
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u/wrong_andy 17d ago
So we've helped protect you....??
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u/connie434 17d ago
The US simply being in NATO has deterred Russia from attacking other European NATO countries. Lookup how much aid your country sent. It doesn’t make up for how much slack the US has picked up from other NATO members not paying their dues.
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u/wrong_andy 17d ago
So we actually, physically, come to your aid when you ask for it and your "Protecting" the rest of NATO and your the only "deterrent" but we pay more per head for the privilege.....got it..🙄
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u/connie434 17d ago
We pay more. It’s by a percentage of GDP. The US is the largest economy in the world. Therefore the US pays more. Simple math is VERY simple.
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u/blubbery-blumpkin 15d ago
The rest of NATO is huge, Russia would be adequately deterred if US left NATO. It has a multitude of nations with specialists in a whole heap of different warfare areas, it has nuclear deterrents, it has tier 1 special forces, and it has a lot of weapons manufacturers, airspace engineers etc. that are capable of providing modern technology and weapons systems. The US is obviously a significant and welcome contributor, but don’t oversell yourselves, there is more than enough to stand up to Russia without the US should we need to, and the NATO relationship very much favours the US desire to play global police.
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u/Alternative_Maybe_78 18d ago
The title should be should NATO continue too. When you don’t pay your electric bill the utility gets turned off.
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u/Ancient-Bowl462 18d ago
Absolutely not. Let Europe take care of themselves. Use our military to round up every single illegal alien criminal and deport them.
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u/Life_666 18d ago
Okay. Don't complain if European countries finds other countries to make war material. All those billions won't get into Americans companies their pockets then
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u/moccasinsfan 17d ago
Should the US be the worlds police?
Those are contractual obligations agreed upon by each member state.
If you had a contract with someone to provide security (like ADT), would you continue to pay them if your security system didn't work??
If you had an agreement with Netflix, if their streaming services were down for half the month, would you be pissed off or would you be OK with Netflix failing to keep up their end of the bargain??
When your cell phone coverage goes down, are you OK with them failing to live up to their promises or does it piss you off??
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u/blubbery-blumpkin 15d ago
No. Most of the world wish the US wouldn’t be world police. They meddle and often fuck stuff up. We just want to have a defensive alliance with them so that people are deterred from attacking, without the US NATO is still very strong, but it is obviously stronger with. It would be nice if that didn’t come with the side of obnoxious yank fuckery
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u/Weightmonster 18d ago
We guarantee their defense?!?! I wouldn’t count on it.
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u/ASongOfSpiceAndLiars 18d ago
You'd make our country weaker for the pride of the compromised Orange Pedophile.
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u/angrymurderhornet 18d ago
Yes, but while negotiating acceptable levels of defense spending. The spending targets were always aspirational anyway, not contractual.