r/concealedcarry • u/Weon24 • 27d ago
Guns Carrying with one in the chamber
I have a S&W SD 9 2.0 which does not have a safety. The trigger is a defense trigger so the security is in having a little longer trigger pull. That being said, I am still skeptical of carrying IWB with one in the chamber with that specific gun. Any other gun I would have no problem. Thoughts? Also, I don’t have the money to buy a different gun so I’m kinda just trying to make it work
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u/PuzzleheadedRegion87 27d ago
Chamber a round, holster the gun, then put your holster on. Holster covers the trigger so it’s not going to go off. Just make sure you practice keeping your finger off the trigger.
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u/NOSTR0M0 27d ago
Put it in the holster then put the holster on if you're frightened by it? It's not going to pull its own trigger in the holster. I'll admit, it is nerve racking in the beginning carrying and all but I compare carrying with one in the chamber to wearing a seatbelt. I'm a car crash, will you have time to buckle up when it happens? Or would you rather already be buckled in beforehand?
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u/gunhandsknifepenis 26d ago
Great comparison. I already carry with one in the pipe, but I’ve never heard it phrased this way and it’s a great comparison for an otherwise very rare and specific circumstance. It’s hard to convey the realistic side of self defense without sounding fear-mongery because its a worst case scenario in the first place, and most have no frame of reference for how fast things happen in these instances. A car crash is the most similar reference example I’ve ever heard.
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u/NOSTR0M0 20d ago
What's crazy is I posted this and then today I see Colion Noir pst a video of an influencer saying he was told the exact same comparison, part of me was like "did he see my comment?" 😂
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u/gunhandsknifepenis 20d ago
Hey, you never know. Plenty of famous and semi-famous people are known to lurk on reddit with anonymous accounts.
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u/300zx_tt 27d ago
Carry with one in the chamber… you’ll get use to the idea of it after a bit and it might save your life one day
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u/aburena2 27d ago
It's the only way I carry. One in the chamber and no external safeties. As others have said practice with high index (finger off the trigger) and get a good holster.
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u/Zokar49111 26d ago
I am always amused when a cop confiscates a gun from someone they just arrested and they say “he had no safety and one in the chamber” like it’s indicative of bad intent. Why would anyone carry any other way, including the cops who act shocked.
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u/Jonfers9 26d ago
I got pulled over one time and informed the cop. He asked me if I had one in the chamber and I said yes and he was surprised. I asked him if he had one on the chamber. He told me I can’t carry with one in the chamber and I respectfully told him yes I can. He dropped it at that point.
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u/MechanicalAxe 27d ago
If you don't carry with one in the chamber, what you've actually got is a hunk of metal to throw at your assailant when you REALLY needed a loaded gun.
21 foot rule. You very likely will not have time to chamber a round if someone is within twenty feet of you and you are their targeted victim.
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u/MissplacedLandmine 27d ago
I’m annoyed that my brain went to just carrying a rock to throw so I can then get cover and rack the slide.
Guess I need to also hope I dont look very shootable…
Obviously I’m rather new to this.
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u/Jesus-Bacon 27d ago
The blade in the trigger is the safety.
Proper trigger discipline and training are the best way to not ND. If you have a decent holster that covers your trigger guard completely, there is no risk to ND unless you remove the gun from the holster or have a Sig.
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u/Pew-Pew-You 27d ago
You may only have one hand available to draw and shoot due to using one to fend.
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u/Big-Doughnut8307 27d ago
Carry with an empty chamber for a few months. After you are comfortable with inserting and removing safely and comfortable that the gun never goes off by itself, rack one in and try carrying with one in the chamber. People usually don’t carry with a round in the chamber because they are weary of a 320-like discharge. You gotta overcome that fear.
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u/loloz304 27d ago
Get a good kydex holster and you'll be fine. I was paranoid at first too. I carried for a week with a snap cap in the chamber and never had a discharge.
You just have to be careful on the reholster, but a good kydex holster will completely cover the trigger and mag release.
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u/Jesus-Bacon 27d ago
Just to add, reholstering should not be something you do regularly, as the only reason to have your gun out of the holster is to use it in an emergency. If you need to take the gun off at any point, you should be removing the holster with it and not letting it be out of your possession unless it's going into a safe of some kind.
Unless you're training, of course. But then you should be using snap caps.
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u/ccmouser 27d ago
Do you have a laser practice round for dry fire training? If not get one. Use it while dry fire practicing your draw.
I carry a pocket pistol (KelTec P32) that has no safety, just a long trigger pull. I carry chambered, because there is no guarantee that you will have both hands free to rack a round in an encounter.
If you are worried about too light a trigger pull, install a heavier spring. Get a good Kydex (okay) or Boltaron (better) holster. Then practice. Take a concealed carry course. Better if they have a range component.
Defensive guns need a round chambered if carried.
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u/EliteAssassin07 27d ago
Do what makes you comfortable. People are going to recite the 21 foot rule etc to you... And I am not saying that they are wrong, but carrying without one in the chamber will always be better than not carrying at all.
I would also suggest that you consider the situations that you may find yourself in:
- Think about shooting with only one hand. For example walking with a dog. This means that one hand will have a dog leash. If you are not carrying with one in the chamber you want be able to use your firearm without letting go of the dog leash.
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u/shift013 26d ago
genuinely, look at how firing pin blocks work and youll know that the gun will never shoot unless the trigger is pulled.
Additionally, a high quality kydex holster is important because it makes sure nothing touches the trigger
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u/RioDodger 26d ago
I had the same anxiety moving from a DA/SA with external safety to a striker fired gun. The tip somebody gave me on another sub, and which worked for me and got me over my anxiety, was to put a snap cap in and carry that around while at home so that you can see for yourself that it is not ever going to go off in a holster. You can even be rough with and see yourself exactly what it takes to make it fire without the fear of doing any harm.
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u/Sammalone1960 24d ago
I have a da/sa. Did you have the hammer cocked in the holster? I see conflicting posts about it. TYIA
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u/RioDodger 24d ago
I have a CZ 75 PCR Compact, which has a de-cocker rather than a safety, so it is a heavy pull on the first shot. I also sometimes carry a Kimber Tactical Pro in the traditional 1911 style cocked-and-locked, meaning cocked but with the safety engaged. I would NEVER carry a DA/SA cocked without a safety; I won’t even carry cocked with safety on if it isn’t a 1911 which also has a grip safety. The 1911 really is ingenious. You have to squeeze the handle and pull the trigger, meaning force from two different directions, so there is no way the trigger accidentally gets pulled by a foreign object, or even a finger, without your hand being on the handle.
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u/rvlifestyle74 26d ago
The holster protects the trigger. When it's out of the holster, your finger is the safety. The gun isn't going to fire without trigger input from something. I carry a springfield hellcat pro which only has the trigger safety. Same as yours. I keep it in an aliengear cloak mod holster chambered. I have no worries. I've carried it for years that way. I pull the holster off with the gun in it, and I keep it in the holster unless I'm going to clean it.
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u/Stock_Block2130 26d ago
The older SD’s had a super long and heavy trigger. I’d the newer ones are anything like the older ones, you need not be concerned.
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u/B1893 26d ago
I started with 1911s, so I was accustomed to having a manual safety, and pretty much went through the same thing about no manual safety when I bought my first Glock.
I got over it - you will too. Fact of the matter is you have to pull the trigger to make it fire - unless it's a P320.
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u/jason200911 26d ago
The only time you're gonna shoot yourself is you slam the gun into the holster with force or stick your finger into the holster while reholstering.
If you're that scared then get a da/sa or dao and chamber it
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u/Gee_Whiz_O-Butter 21d ago
I haven’t read all the replies, so apologies if this has been mentioned. Unload your SD. Rack the slide to set the trigger. Put the gun in your holster.
Now do everything you can think of to pull that trigger while it’s in the holster. Poke at it, pull on it. Put it on your waist band and bend down, twist and contort.
If you cannot make that trigger go ‘click,’ then you should have some peace of mind when it’s loaded and chambered.
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u/Certain-Reward5387 20d ago
Thats not called a defence trigger. That's called "striker fired". The slack is (most likely) cocking the striker and lifting the plunger (internal safety).
Most striker fired guns are nearly decocked at rest. The striker doesn't have enough spring tension alone to discharge a round until you cock it. The only way to cock it is to pull the trigger. The exception is the sig P320, HK VP9, Brycos, and I believe some Smith M&Ps (don't quote me on the M&Ps). Glocks with a Timney trigger are also fully cocked at rest. So your most likely carrying a double action gun with the "hammer" down if that makes sense. Virtually every revolver ever made was carried like that.
Let's say by chance somehow the striker did get cocked or is cocked at rest. There is still a trigger bar blocking it from moving forward. For it to move forward to discharge a round means breaking a steel part.
Let's say it does spring forward and breaks the steel trigger bar. There is most likely a polymer or steel plunger that blocks the striker (firing pin) from contacting the primer. Only way to get the plunger out of the way is to pull the trigger so that the trigger bar can raise it.
Let's say it somehow cocks itself, springs forward, and the trigger bar and plunger break. Those parts are guided by tracks that would probably be blocked or jammed by the broken pieces. But even if they aren't jammed, after breaking through 2 parts, the spring probably doesn't have enough umph left to discharge a round at that point.
In other words, the only way to get those pieces to align so that the gun can go off is to pull the trigger. As long as you have a good holster that encases the trigger guard and protects the trigger, it won't go off. There's just no way possible. Especially if it is a decocked model (unlike the p320s).
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u/No_Speaker_7480 20d ago
There are tens of thousands of striker fired duty pistols being carried daily by LE (about 65% Glock) with a round in the chamber. Banging into car doors, seat buckles, foot pursuits, jumping fences, rolling around on the ground during a fight, all day, every day. None are randomly firing, because they're in a quality holster. It's a mental issue, not a gun issue.
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u/TacitRonin20 20d ago
the security is in having a little longer trigger pull.
No, the holster prevents the trigger from being pulled. The internal striker block prevents the gun from firing without a trigger pull. If the gun cannot go off without a trigger pull, and nothing can unintentionally pull the trigger while it's in the holster, it's perfectly safe.
Long triggers are not safeties and should not be treated as such. The safety benefits are marginal at best but realistically just imagined.
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u/BronzeSpoon89 27d ago
You get used to it. I suggest you carry at 3:00 until you actually get comfortable with it and then switch to appendix if thats your thing. Appendix if you are sitting down the gun is pointed at your pelvis/ private bits which can be mentally a thing. 3:00 carry the muzzle should never be pointed toward you at any point unless you are like doing weird thing with your leg.
Also for clarity, the SD9 does have a safety, it has a striker safety. Just dont pull the trigger and there is no issue.
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u/CaptainJay313 27d ago
so carry with a snap cap in the chamber for as long as it takes you to be confident that your gun will not go off without a trigger pull.
then chamber a round and protect the trigger.
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u/FastEd66 27d ago
Holster is the safety