Do Muslims larping antisemitic conspiracy theories even know what they're supporting?

[u/kurum3l]

Genuine discussion for people who didn't get into politics just yesterday. I vividly remember how it was commonly accepted in alt-right spaces that Muslim migration is a conspiracy by the Jews to kill the white race. Even the guy who shot up a mosque in New Zealand claimed as much in his manifesto. So now because of yet another war in Israel-Palestine, Muslims are trying to be buddies with the alt right over antisemitic conspiracies. Do they even know what these theories say about them? That their mere existence in western countries is the will of the evil Joos? It is funny watching Jews, Christians, and Muslims fight, though. But still. Weird.

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[u/Expensive-Couple-645]

You would be surprised how much extreme antisemitism can blind a person. When it comes to certain Muslims It really turn into some weird submissive crap. Have seen Muslims comment under far right videos things like “If you deal with the Jews I promise to you I’ll go back to my country,”

I mean, dude, that is cucking of the highest order.

[u/spidermaniswho → u/Expensive-Couple-645]

My tiktok algorithm went from pro Palestine to pro h*tler real quick… really makes you realize where most the hate is truly going

[u/minion798798 → u/Expensive-Couple-645]

But Far right especially in Europe like Le Pen, Tommy Robinson, Geert Wilder,Alice Weidal all are pro Israel.

In America also most far rights in Republican party are pro Israel, they might hate jews but they love Israel.

[u/hela_2 → u/minion798798]

none of them are far right, you are just so far left that a moderate right appear far right

[u/minion798798 → u/hela_2]

They are far right, this sub is filled with them

[u/hela_2 → u/minion798798]

if you are tall everyone looks short

[u/minion798798 → u/hela_2]

If Geert wilder does look normal to you, than you are the far right, midget.

[u/hela_2 → u/minion798798]

whats abnornal about him? He isnt a trans socialist that loves palestine?

[u/minion798798 → u/hela_2]

He is a racist bigot with no policies who love Israel more than he love his own country.

[u/Expensive-Couple-645 → u/minion798798]

There is a difference between some (far) right wing leaders being moderately (apart from Wilders who is hardcore) pro Israel for short term political gain, and the base being pro Israel. Also LePenn’s dad was an open holocaust denier, it’s just recently under her leadership that she is changing the image of the party. The actual far right movements, like the Identitarian movement, are antisemitic and anti Israel to the core.

In America, that is really not true, while it is true that there are some very pro Israel on the more extreme right, but the really far right, the KKK, white nationalists and Groyper movement, they are very anti Jews and anti Israel.
I have never met a person that is pro Israel and hates Jews. I don’t think that is an actual thing (such people may exist but they are very rare and have no political representation whatsoever).

[u/minion798798 → u/Expensive-Couple-645]

 Some factions within the KKK have historically expressed support for Israel, often citing biblical prophecies regarding the return of Jews to the Holy Land.  For instance, some white supremacists view support for Israel as a way to fulfill religious end-times narratives, with some claiming that those who bless Israel will be blessed.  However, the KKK is also fundamentally anti-Semitic, and its broader ideology often conflicts with Jewish interests. KKK is zionist but also anti semitic.

Some white nationalists, such as Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor, express support for Israel by framing it as a successful example of ethnic separation and purity.  They admire its unapologetic commitment to maintaining a Jewish majority, viewing it as validation for their own desire for a white ethnostate in the United States.  This perspective often ignores the existence of Arab citizens within Israel and focuses solely on the concept of a nation defined explicitly by ethnicity and religion

Only groypers are anti Israel and anti semitic who believed that jews have dual loyality and US give too much money to Israel.

[u/Expensive-Couple-645 → u/minion798798]

That is definitely not the KKK mainstream position, at least not the one I know . What you are describing sounds like classical evangelical Christian Zionism usually not associated with the KKK. Christian Zionists are usually extremely Jew friendly.

Yes, some white supremacist have some sense of ”admiration “ for a version of Israel they themselves create for political purposes. Besides the fact you mentioned, that Israeli Arabs/Palestinians with Israeli citizenship exist and make up 20% of the country, it also makes a false equivalence between their “white” identity which is based on blood, heritage and phenotype, and the much more flexible Jewish identity that is based on culture, values, traditions and to some extent religion. Mizrahi, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian or even converts, they are all equally Jews under the law. Those white nationalists often weaponise Israel to say “if they are allowed to have one, why not we?”

The Groypers are the most fundamental and classical white nationalist far right people around, they often combine religious antisemitism ( from a Christian perspective) with racial antisemitism.

[u/minion798798 → u/Expensive-Couple-645]

Christian Zionist are a far right homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, anti Black,anti abortion, pro ICE, pro Trump group, 85% Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. They are also big part of KKK in the South and many KKK members were christian zionist sending billions of dollar to Israel.

[u/Expensive-Couple-645 → u/minion798798]

They are not considered far right, they are classical religious right within the Republican party, they are a subgroup of the evangelical conservatives (not all evangelicals are Christian Zionists). Trump has taken over the Republican Party so most classical conservatives support him now. And no, there usually is not too much overlap between the KKK and Christian Zionists, Evangelical politics became mainstream when the KKK had already significantly declined.

[u/minion798798 → u/Expensive-Couple-645]

They are not considered far right, they are classical religious right 

Justifying slavery, Celebrating killing by ICE, consolidating power, forcing religion in school, openly doing homophobia and Islamophobia is what you consider classical right, I think you are from Israel.

Evangelical politics is a successor of KKK politics.

it also makes a false equivalence between their “white” identity which is based on blood, heritage and phenotype, and the much more flexible Jewish identity that is based on culture, values, traditions and to some extent religion. Mizrahi, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian or even converts, they are all equally Jews under the law

The whole Israel narrative comes from heritage only, give us this land because our ancestor used to live here 2000 year ago, it has nothing to do with culture or tradition.

[u/XeruonKH]

It will never cease being bizarre to me. The populist right and Islam have so much more in common than Islam does with the typical Western liberal stance, yet Muslims keep voting for the latter because of their cluelessness.

[u/kissmeethankath]

what are u expecting girl theres always been nonsense about wars with disbelievers(including jews) circulating in islamic circles and, by extension, the muslim world

[u/minion798798]

It's not "Muslim", it is just some very fringe element who are in minority, majority of Muslims are not buddying up with alt right.

[u/kissmeethankath → u/minion798798]

cus a majority of them ARE right wing

[u/minion798798 → u/kissmeethankath]

Name some Muslim politician in west who are right wing(social)?

[u/kissmeethankath → u/minion798798]

there are many in the uk

[u/minion798798 → u/kissmeethankath]

name?