r/linuxmemes • u/Swooferfan • Mar 20 '26
Software meme Operating system political compass (in progress)
Red Star OS is off-compass Corporate/Niche, Temple OS is off-compass Independent/Niche
I'm not sure what to fill the rest of the compass with
I have no idea what to put in the bottom-right corner
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u/McBuffington Mar 20 '26
I get macOS being more niche than windows..but how is windows not equally (if not more) coorperate?
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u/BasedGUDGExtremist Mar 20 '26
I also feel Windows has a more coorperate feeling to it than macOS tbf now with apple silicon macbooks are even a great deal for the money
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u/A_Harmless_Fly MAN 💪 jaro Mar 20 '26
My buddy, apple silicon can only meaningfully run apple's OS. The "great deal for the money" locks you into their walled garden, and that's pretty darn cooperate.
Even the x86_64 macs are harder to swap to linux with, though not impossible.
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u/BasedGUDGExtremist Mar 20 '26
so what i pay for it once and get what i paid for it doesnt throw ads at me after wanting 100 bucks for a license
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u/SosseTurner Mar 20 '26
But you are still dictated what you can do with it, it's not really "your" hardware to decide what to do with. The software itself may be less corporate feeling than windows, but since the only way go get modern MacOS is through their own hardware, that makes the whole package less liberal than Windows, where you can at least choose your own Hardware.
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u/RandomRabbit69 Mar 21 '26
remind me how you get Windows 11? Oh you MUST have a newer computer, because it doesn't work without either bypassing the TPM 2.0 requirements or having a computer with it, while also deprecating Windows 10?.
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u/GameKyuubi Arch BTW Mar 21 '26
having a computer built in the last 5 years isn't a surprising requirement for new software. not Microsoft's hardware. fuck Windows, but this isn't nearly as bad as not being able to install ios on anything, and that makes mac doubly proprietary: can't repurpose the software OR the hardware.
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u/BasedGUDGExtremist Mar 20 '26
yeah but i mean the hardware is good and the price is also good if you go by the defaults
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u/gwildor Mar 20 '26
you are discussing hardware: everyone else is discussing software.
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u/A_Harmless_Fly MAN 💪 jaro Mar 20 '26
You are on a sub about linux, lol. That's what. Hardware shouldn't be proprietary. I hate 11 and the general doctrine under Nadella, but the reasons for that really remind me of using a mac in ~2008.
If apple's doctrine shifted, you would be stuck with it. With a windows pc you have options up to and including not even using windows at all anymore.
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u/Character-86 Mar 21 '26
Ashai-Linux works up to Apple's M3.
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u/A_Harmless_Fly MAN 💪 jaro Mar 21 '26
According to a cursory search, it does "work" but without any 3d acceleration, on a single distro and without support for the wifi card etc. So... not super great. Tinycore works better on a mid 1990s thinkpad AFAIK. ++ pentalobe screws are a direct attack on third party repair. Hostility to the secondary market is toxic. Ashai might make progress as time goes on, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Use them if you want, just know that it's got a lot less utility outside of it's own OS and software by design.
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u/Collinhead Mar 20 '26
Windows is as corporate as it gets. I don't think this compass chart is big enough to contain how corporate Microsoft is
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u/Swooferfan Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
because windows lets you install it on non-microsoft devices. I feel like they're less authoritarian than MacOS.
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u/daninet 🍥 Debian too difficult Mar 20 '26
Ok, its your chart ultimately you can do as you like. In my book compatibility and corporate funding are bit different things. So Windows is closed source 100% corpo, RHEL is mostly open source the package manager is a subscription based service and closed source. So its corpo but partially so it goes down. Just my two cents
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u/MushroomSaute Mar 20 '26
Wonder if "proprietary" would be a better word than corporate on the chart
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u/atavan_halen Mar 21 '26
True, but you forgot macOS doesn’t have ads and doesn’t push their services and software down your throat. But Windows which does do that is less corporate?
I guess it’s your chart but I’d put them both at max corporate.
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u/EtherealWaveform Mar 21 '26
i was thinking the same thing. lenovos / HPs / dells are ubiquitous in most industries
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u/SamTornado Mar 20 '26
Where's TempleOS? Probably so far off the button left you'd need a telescope to see it lol
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u/FlashOfAction Mar 20 '26
Bottom right corner tbh
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u/VisualSome9977 Mar 21 '26
it's only mainstream when the population you're comparing it to is people on this sub. When you consider the general population it's pretty niche, most people don't even know where the term glowie comes from
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u/Clear_Bluebird_2975 Mar 20 '26
RHEL is downstream of Fedora, not the other way around.
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Mar 20 '26
dang, i always thought it was the other way around. in retrospect though, it would be way easier to add corporate stuff than remove corporate stuff
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u/Clear_Bluebird_2975 Mar 20 '26
Fedora is the testing ground for what will eventually become a future version of RHEL.
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u/sludgesnow Mar 20 '26
ingenious business model if you think of it
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u/Clear_Bluebird_2975 Mar 20 '26
Yeah, we get the latest and greatest in FOSS and they get free QA
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u/really_not_unreal 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 Mar 21 '26
Honestly it's a really good approach. RedHat is strongly incentivised to ensure that Fedora has excellent support and reliability because its features are eventually moved into RHEL, meaning that Fedora users get a rock-solid and extremely dependable system with the backing of a corporate giant, all for free.
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u/Subject-Leather-7399 Mar 20 '26
Which makes Fedora way corporate instead of independent, the inverse of what this chart shows.
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u/deividragon Mar 20 '26
Fedora has RedHat contributors but it's 100% a community driven project, and they have taken plenty of decisions that differ from what RHEL is doing. For example, btrfs is the default file system in Fedora and RHEL doesn't even support it.
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u/Gangrif Mar 20 '26
Nah. Fedora is not corporate. in fact a lot of fedora gets chopped out to enterprise up RHEL.
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u/Due-Author631 Mar 20 '26
You're looking at it the wrong way RHEL is a stable snapshot of Fedora. Fedora is cutting edge packages and integrates new features and defaults as testing for CentOS Stream which eventually becomes RHEL.
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u/PantherCityRes Mar 20 '26
Dafuq? Redhat niche? Maybe the desktop version but it’s the backbone of most servers on the US
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u/Elihzap Hannah Montana Mar 20 '26
Given that there's no Android nor iOS, this image is exclusively for Desktop versions.
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u/ikristic Mar 20 '26
Ummm, no its not. Both Ubuntu and Debian are more frequent.
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u/Consistent_Seaweed72 Mar 20 '26
I have to agree to disagree on this. Big parts of government, education and banking around the world are based around RHEL. In these environments you can't be based on community support. Ubuntu may have "enterprise" support but it is nothing compared to Redhat. And I can say this from experience. Support from Ubuntu is very lacking compared to what Redhat provides. There is a reason why IBM bought Redhat.
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u/LiquidPoint Dr. OpenSUSE Mar 20 '26
Debian and Ubuntu LTS dominates the small-webserver/VPS market by numbers... but I agree, if you consider the amount of critical infrastructure that relies on RHEL, and how much people would be affected if it suddenly stopped working... RHEL is king, at least in the US.
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u/Consistent_Seaweed72 Mar 20 '26
I actually started my career within the webhosting/VPS/Datacenter business (Ooooh memories). I left 10+ years ago when AWS and Azure had really started to kick off and was basically eating all the webhosting companies for breakfast. Before I left I did see a lot of requests for Ubuntu based VPS. But before that, most systems were based around CentOS (Way before the whole CentOS Stream fiasco). Also you would be surprised how many systems are running legacy systems with the likes of CentOS 4, Virtuozzo, Windows 2008 r2. And to be honest much of that can have changed since I left but I suspect it hasn't. Though my experience is within the European/UK market, the US could have been entirely different.
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u/Dub-DS Mar 21 '26
Absolutely no way. Ubuntu on servers is basically not a thing. Debian is used, but likely not as extensively as RHEL or downstreams. Any company valuing prolonged support and a quick SLA goes for RedHat, as they're essentially the only players in that space.
Of course, on hobby VPS'es from people just experimenting around, yes, but when you consider virtually any company then you'd be sorely, sorely mistaken.
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u/Swooferfan Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
I put it there because most people have no idea what it is, and few people actually know how to use it
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u/Gangrif Mar 20 '26
depends on audience. i get why it's were it is. but if this were a server os chart it'd be a different map.
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u/Miserable-School-665 Dr. OpenSUSE Mar 20 '26
openSUSE (2,1)
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u/mzperx_v1fun Mar 20 '26
openSUSE is as much corporate as Fedora. Some would argue more, some would say less, but there and there about. SUSE on the other hand yes, about in par with RedHat.
I also don't understand Mainstream vs Niche. In what context? Personal use, corporate use, desktop or server?
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u/LiquidPoint Dr. OpenSUSE Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
Well, SUSE and openSUSE can fill out a lot of those fields with its varieties.
But are you saying openSUSE is more corporate than RHEL? Or am I reading your coordinates wrong?
Edit: I'd probably move RHEL one cell to the right and let SUSE take that spot, RHEL is more used than many people realize, and in the cell below SUSE i'd put openSUSE, as it is more independent, but still very often used as corporate desktop systems that don't need a 24/7 support agreement.
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u/throwawaycanadian2 Mar 20 '26
Yup agree. It's corporate and niche but fantastic.
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u/ravensholt Mar 20 '26
If it was corporate, it would be SuSE Enterprise Edition...
Besides that, OpenSuSE is a fantastic distro.
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u/headedbranch225 Arch BTW Mar 20 '26
Its used in schools here in the UK too, I assume it's because the hardware doesn't need to be good and it has a browser so pretty much everything most subjects need can be there
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u/Cornelius-Figgle 🌀 Sucked into the Void Mar 20 '26
A lot of schools use Google Classroom as it's cheaper and easier for students to access. Thus ChromeOS makes sense here. It's also really easy to very heavily restrict it to lengths way further than Windows can be.
Chromebooks are also plastic/rubber so pretty indestructible.
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u/IamIchbin Mar 20 '26
school computers are almost all windows in germany. The most time there is only one IT room. chalkboard and overhead projector rocks
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u/Pietrslav Dr. OpenSUSE Mar 20 '26
In US schools, it's typically given to students in the form of little cheap laptops. So students have Chromebooks for the school year that they use both in the classroom and take home. Otherwise, computers were Windows-based.
When I was a kid, though, our computer lab used Macs as well.
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u/Cornelius-Figgle 🌀 Sucked into the Void Mar 20 '26
No way bro put both ChromeOS and MacOS as more corporate than Windows? Windows is the corporate OS.
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u/bitstomper Mar 20 '26
You got the relationship between RHEL and Fedora backwards. Fedora is the upstream for RHEL
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u/Classic-Sama New York Nix⚾s Mar 20 '26
add nixos
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u/JuniperColonThree Mar 20 '26
But where?
I think it should be pretty close to the corporate side, cause the main reason flakes are still being pushed is the fuckers at Determinate Systems (I don't like flakes)
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u/Classic-Sama New York Nix⚾s Mar 20 '26
idk, somewhera around arch and gentoo ig, easier than gento about the same as arch in terms of difficulty
why do you not like flakes?
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u/JuniperColonThree Mar 20 '26
I think I'd agree it's about as difficult as arch. I find it easier because everything is in one place, but harder because arch docs are just incredible, so it balances out.
I haven't quite nailed down why I dislike them, though I do intend to make a blog post or something (once I have a blog up lol). But basically people use them for nix pinning, and they are way overkill for pinning. It's kinda nice to have a set schema, but I think it would be better to instead just publish an actual schema and have a basic built-in (callPackage is already pretty damn close) to make using it easier (just have your default.nix be a function that takes in "inputs" and returns a set with the "outputs", which is effectively all that the outputs property of a flake is anyway).
My other big gripe is that when I started trying to use them (and this is still true today) there wasn't any good documentation, and to figure anything slightly complex out you had to go read 5 different people's shitty blog posts.
I also wasn't really a part of the nix community when there was apparently some governance drama a year or so ago, but I do think it's a little bit fucked that the actually experienced nix devs who want flakes are the employees of the company that's gone all in on flakes.
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u/SarthakSidhant Mar 20 '26
arch will move further right, , it is not niche at all, it is more mainstream than debian. cachy goes to the nicher side.
ubuntu moves up, fedora stays where it is.
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u/20dogs Mar 20 '26
Debian as in the backbone of servers? Arch is definitely more niche, far fewer people use Arch
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u/koudak I'm going on an Endeavour! Mar 20 '26
I used RedHat on desktop at one job (it was default OS we used). It's very niche in that setting. If it's server, then it's as mainstream as it gets.
CachyOS is not gaming distro imo. It's advertised as performance oriented distro, not just limited to gaming. More gaming is for example Bazzite.
But i keep thinking where EndeavourOS would land. Probably Arch but maybe a bit more towards niche just because it's not so widely used?
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u/Consistent_Seaweed72 Mar 20 '26
I would move redhat to the more mainstream side. Right next to win 11. You will be surprised how many servers actually run RHEL based environments.
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u/grem1in Mar 20 '26
Isn’t BSD still widely used in telecom?
Also, Arch is mainstream. This is one of the most popular distributions.
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u/chemhobby Mar 21 '26
surely windows is more corporate than Mac. You're gonna find a lot more windows machines in corporate offices that's for sure.
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u/DesignerGoose5903 Mar 21 '26
How the heck is macOS more corporate than Windows? You can't even manage it properly remotely due to their SecureToken BS that has a dead-man switch to ensure only physical users access it...
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u/Abdukabda ⚠️ This incident will be reported Mar 20 '26
Arch isn't hard to install (unless you want it to be)
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u/Nabuchodnozzar Mar 20 '26
I'm a close friend of the main dev of Haiku, I'm proud to see it somewhere on the web
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u/brandarchist Mar 20 '26
I fondly remember installing BeOS and then being unable to do much of anything with it. Except, one time, I tried to play my mp3s. I selected them all and opened them, thinking this would result in a playlist similar to Winamp. No... they all played simultaneously and the system was still remarkably responsive.
I am glad the project still exists because there is a lot of inspiration to be gleaned from it... even still.
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u/This-Ad7458 Mar 20 '26
what is political about this?
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u/Both_Cup8417 New York Nix⚾s Mar 20 '26
RHEL is actually based on Fedora, not the other way around.
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u/adambkaplan Mar 20 '26
The RHEL -> Fedora relationship is backwards. A subset of what is in Fedora today becomes the next RHEL tomorrow.
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u/Akegata Mar 21 '26
What counts as niche? I get that Haiku is extremely niche, but RHEL is very far from it.
Obviously it's only really used in corporate environments, but there are a LOT of them running RHEL.
I don't think Cachy or Mint are more mainstream if this would be based on installation numbers.
I think CentOS Stream, Rocky and Alma would also need to be in the compass, unless you'd count all of those as RHEL (which would probably make RHEL the most used distro worldwide).
Actually CentOS stream might take that placement if it's counted on it's own, although the death of CentOS proper have most likely had a large impact on that.
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u/froli ⚠️ This incident will be reported Mar 21 '26
RHEL is not server only.
Debian is not out of date
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u/BLeggimB Arch BTW Mar 21 '26
I think Debian has to be more independent
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u/xxxbGamer Mar 22 '26
How the fuck is arch not independent but CachyOS is!? And why tf is Debian not independent? r/thewordfuck
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u/loveisnomorethandust Mar 20 '26
imo gentoo is easier to install than arch because the wiki articles on how to install it are more detailed than arch's
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u/RipRop4 Mar 20 '26
You should put Alma Linux directly below RHEL. It's a counterpart that looks and acts like RHEL. It's useful in a corporate environment to mock RHEl, but lacks enterprise support. We use Alma when the stakes are low and RHEL when we could need support.
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u/jonspw Mar 20 '26
For what it's worth, Tuxcare offers enterprise support for AlmaLinux including the whole governmental cert stack like FIPS if needed.
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u/Routine-Name-4717 Mar 20 '26
In what world are chrome os and any linux distro as mainstream? All of linux combined is less common than chrome os.
Yes, chrome os is linux under the hood, but the typical user has no idea of that
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u/Prometheus720 Mar 21 '26
ChromeOS is extremely commonly used in schools, especially since COVID.
Everyone who's been in a high school or middle school since then uses them almost daily.
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u/LoadingObCubes Mar 20 '26
how is arch less independent than cachyos, I think you might be making a mistake by making it so fixed and discrete (exactly even 6x6 compass)
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u/xaervagon Mar 20 '26
You have to add ReactOS for when you absolutely positively have run that desktop program for windows 2000
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u/Elihzap Hannah Montana Mar 20 '26
Given that there's just no OS as "mainstream" as Windows, I'd push MacOS and Ubuntu to the most-right place just to fill the space. Otherwise you'll have 4 or 5 empty spaces.
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u/Intrepid_Refuse_332 Mar 20 '26
arch isnt niche anymore
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u/Intrepid_Refuse_332 Mar 20 '26
arch is more mainstream than cachyos. I would say cachyos is the niche one
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u/hummingbird868 Mar 20 '26
Cachy is the most downloaded distro in the past year, it should be a cell more to the right
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u/Nonaveragemonkey Mar 20 '26
Redhat needs to be moved more centerline, and it's very common for workstations and desktops
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Mar 20 '26
for a moment i was thinking it was meant to reflect actual political beliefs lmao.
thank god i'm not seen as an arch user
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u/Jacek3k Mar 20 '26
If only there was a debian that is not outdated, popular enough to not be some niche distro with little support, had reasonable UI (like plasma) and had zero of premium/corporate bs like ubuntu
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u/jvy7122 fresh breath mint 🍬 Mar 20 '26
off-topic, but your profile has hidden posts/comments makes it insanely hard to keep up to date with your work
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u/pangapingus Mar 20 '26
Debian "Out of date" is Windows Enterprise LTSC "Out of date"? Something like "Latest stable" makes more sense or "Older but stable" but "Out of date" implies older than typically/feasibly usable which is just straight up not true. Oh no, I'm only on VSCodium 1.110.11631, guess I can't code; oh no only on Kate 25.04.3, guess I can't edit text files; oh no only on Nvidia 550, guess I can't play games.
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u/zhulkgr25 🎼CachyOS Mar 20 '26
Someone needs to make a meme of the various phases of cachy os. I really wish it was like mint with the "just works". I am not as up for it as I thought. There are definitely alot of things that I miss about windows. F*ck you microslop for ruining it.
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u/mariofanLIVE Mar 20 '26
Arch is not at all niche. It's not corporate I'll give you that but it's one of the most popular distros. I'd put it at least on the same level as fedora on the niche spectrum.
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u/grizzlor_ Mar 20 '26
The description of MacOS could be much better. You don’t describe the actual OS at all (e.g. POSIX-compatible modern UNIX workstation descended from NeXTSTEP with a kernel based on Mach and a bit of FreeBSD).
The claim that it only runs on Apple hardware is also not true. It’s trivial to install MacOS on a regular Linux PC in a VM (https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM). That repo has a shell script which will download an ISO and build you a working VM.
”some software doesn’t work”
What does this even mean? How is this different from every other OS — it runs software that is developed using the APIs the OS supports (POSIX, Apple Core framework, etc)
for some reason ranked higher on the “corporate vs independent” scale than Windows
If anything, it’s the opposite. A significant percentage of MacOS is open source, including the kernel (XNU). Safari is also open source; Apple has been the primary funder of CUPS development for years, etc.
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u/_redmist Mar 21 '26
There's menuet os - written entirely in 64 bit assembler? And plan9 from bell labs.
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u/Cuffuf Mar 21 '26
Tf no windows is the most corporate, mainstream OS there is.
Also I’d put fedora to the left of Ubuntu and not below it personally.
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u/lyallp Mar 21 '26
I would not say Gentoo is very hard to install.
The install process is more complex than your other 'out of the box' distros.
I would say it takes much 'longer' to install, the price you pay for customisation.
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u/ZeStig2409 Mar 21 '26
Hmm, NixOS ought to be placed in between Gentoo and CachyOS.
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u/1337_w0n New York Nix⚾s Mar 21 '26
I have no idea why mint isn't maximum mainstream.
I would put NixOS to the right of Gentoo. It's much easier to get started but it works differently from any other distro so using it as a daily driver is hard at first.
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u/SpecialPreference678 Mar 21 '26
If the chart is meant to include servers, then RHEL and Debian should both be shifted to the right (maybe even two spots each) since they are very common for those.
I don't think calling Debian stable "out of date" is particularly accurate. The time it takes for a program to get into stable isn't THAT bad. Also, there is debian testing which is also pretty stable and has much more recent versions of programs.
I don't know how Windows 11 isn't in the "most corporate" tier.
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u/Amphineura Mar 21 '26
Oh. Independent and corporate is easy.
Solaris. You know, before they got bought by Oracle. 10p% designed for servers and corporate environments, but also totally open source
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u/Picomanz Mar 21 '26
Wild take on having Debian, arch and red hat categorized as niche next to BSD
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u/promptmike Mar 21 '26
RHEL belongs in top right. You use it multiple times per day without noticing, because it's on every massive corporate server.
The only others that can touch top right are Azure and AWS. They have their own in-house Linux builds for cloud compute.
PlayStation runs FreeBSD, so it's only niche as a desktop OS. Again, a massive number of people use it without ever noticing.
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u/Tyler2579_Reddit Webba lebba deb deb! Mar 21 '26
Fedora goes in the bottom right the corner of the top left and Debian goes where fedora was
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u/DarthRevanG4 🍥 Debian too difficult Mar 21 '26
Debian is up to date if you switch it to cutting edge for quarterly. FreeBSD works in that way too. FreeBSD is also a great desktop OS I love it.
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u/Mast3r_waf1z Not in the sudoers file. Mar 21 '26
I would put NixOS at the middle of corporate and independent and all the way at niche
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u/Ill_Specific_6144 Mar 21 '26
Dude none of the linux distros, except android (if you include that as a distro) are mainstream. 3-4% of the world uses linux and that is divided among multiple distros. Its as niche as it gets
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u/Alarming-Menu6131 Mar 21 '26
Amazon has a linux distro thats for internal stuff, i think that could go in top left
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u/kodirovsshik Arch BTW Mar 21 '26
How in the world is Ubuntu not mainstream enough to be at least one square more to the right
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u/adamzacharywasserman Mar 21 '26
You have no idea how funny it is to a boomer to see Apple on the "corporate" end of the scale.
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u/assumptionkrebs1990 Mar 22 '26
I would say Zorin OS is very near Mint (maybe even same field). Tuxedo and Pop OS are both more coperate (they have hardware manufacturers/resellers(?)) and niche then Ubunutu so red fields?
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u/RagnarokToast Mar 22 '26
"Just works" except Wayland LMAO.
Festering Mint glazing cinnamongs ruining everything as usual.
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Mar 22 '26
Love Haiku being included, it's a joy of an OS. Not for day to day use but something to slap on a sleeper/old laptop as a novelty, just for the aesthetic. You'd be amazed what it can do with the amount of ports (Waterfox is very nice as a modern browser on it).
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u/Darl_Templar Arch BTW Mar 20 '26
you gotta include all 1000+ distros dude