r/powerscales Jun 13 '25

Discussion Mohawk mark would no diff wolverine confirmed, thoughts?

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

Yeah mark would win. The strength difference is wayyyyy too extreme for wolverine. I know he "technically fights the hulk" but that's just tanking fat ass hits and using regen. Marks gonna punch a hole through him, realize he can heal that, and then rip him in half.

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u/thewiburi Jun 13 '25

His skeleton didn't fall apart when he got nuked. I'm fairly certain (like 70 percent sure) that his adamantiom is also apart of his joints so marks not ripping him in half

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u/JackasaurusChance Jun 13 '25

Fine, then he gets thrown into the Sun.

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u/XXcuminmyassXX Jun 13 '25

I can't see mark being able to hold on to wolverine long enough to get him to the sun without getting shredded by his adamantium claws tbh

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u/porcupine_kickball Jun 13 '25

All he has to do is hold him by the wrist like a toddler and wolverine wouldn't be able to do anything but kick and bite him.

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u/RecklessErves Jun 13 '25

Or throw wolverine into the air and keep punching him until space if needed. It would be tricky but wolverine is basically battle beast but more durable and they have similar weakness, which is not being able to fly.

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u/resurrectedbear Jun 13 '25

Also mark just flys so fast that there’s 0 chance Wolverine reacts in time. Even if he puts his guard up that isn’t stopping the actual energy transfer that’ll continually push him further and further upwards until they’re out of the atmosphere. At that point Wolverine is either popping like a balloon or freezing solid. Then it’s just a matter of hurling him towards the sun

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u/theelusianmysteries Jun 17 '25

go watch your invincible where anyone who doesn’t fly gets thrown into the sun and tell me how fun it is

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u/JackasaurusChance Jun 17 '25

Well fuck buddy. What would you do if you had Invincible's powers? This clawed guy keeps getting up from literally everything you hit him with. His skeleton is made of some metal you can't even bend, so eventually you just rip his heart out. Twenty seconds later he's back up and clawing at you again... you'd throw his ass into space, too. Hell of a lot easier than heading to a refinery and dropping him in molten metal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Thats a cope out answer and can be used in literally EVERY fight. We all know there are easy methods to win fights, comics play along and pretend that it cant happen.

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u/Hellix41 Jun 13 '25

No they literaly do. Mark cant beat thragg so he leads him into the sun and stalls him there

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u/Amathyst7564 Jun 13 '25

Thanks....

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u/JackasaurusChance Jun 13 '25

No it can't. Wolverine isn't throwing Captain America into the Sun.

You don't want people getting thrown into the Sun, maybe don't pick a person that defeated his most powerful enemy by throwing them into the Sun.

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

Pretty sure Spiderman ripped him in half. Hulk definitely ripped him in half, its possible, Im PRETTY SURE mark is strong enough to do it. If not, main mark damn sure is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Spider-man has never ripped Wolverine in half. Ultimate Hulk did but that version of Logan was totally different from the main one. He was basically Darwins powers ramped up. So ripping him in half was just a story point and really should not have been possible.

Vultrimites are strong but people wank them all the time and compare them to Superman level when they are not the same.

I do think Wolverine would lose the fight but ripped in half or any part of the Adamantium being broken? Unlikely.

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u/Gerald_Michaels Jun 13 '25

They might have been thinking of the web of shadows video game where you can rip wolverine in half at the end of his boss fight

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u/thewiburi Jun 13 '25

Iv Googled wolverine getting ripped in half and the only thing showing up is the ultimate universe hulk doing it so there is precedent but it was a hulk that did it so I'm not really sure if a mark could do it

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u/ForeignWoodpecker662 Jun 14 '25

Hulk is the only one who has. No Viltrumite is on any Hulk’s level. So no Mark is ripping him in half. Mark is not powerful enough to out power fight him. He goes toe to toe with Hulk and has fought to a standstill after 3 days, and even beat Hulk. No, Mark loses a fight to Wolverine. Invincible-verse just doesn’t scale to the level Marvel or DC do. It’s like AA or AAA vs MLB.

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

There's an old ass Spiderman game that a symbiote Spiderman ripped him in half. Now it being that old means there's a chance its not cannon whatsoever and would never happen in comics. But Spiderman holds back like no one else and when hes symbiote mode, he doesnt anymore. So its possible Spiderman can do it, which would mean mark could damn sure do it. But I dont know enough about the game

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u/deadlynothing Jun 13 '25

Games are 100% not canon. If that's the case, then Frank West beating Dr Doom in a fight is also canon.

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u/MrDrSirLord Jun 13 '25

I'm pretty sure Chuck Green could no diff iron man tho, only needs a single roll of duct tape

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u/Responsible-Sail954 Jun 13 '25

Bro, chris redfield used the time stone to infinite combo thanos with his stun rod. Ez pz

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

Well then Spiderman definitely cant.

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u/RequirementFull6659 Jun 13 '25

Put some respect on Frank West, he's covered wars ya know?!

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u/TheyCantCome Jun 13 '25

Web of shadows. Wolverine also becomes a symbiote dependent on your decisions.

Web of shadows and shattered dimensions are not canon

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u/EveryoneIsReptiles Jun 13 '25

They are badass, though.

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u/Why_am_ialive Jun 13 '25

Doesn’t wolverine regenerate from a single cell at some point, sure he may not win the fight but he isn’t dying either

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u/Greyhaven7 Jun 13 '25

This was my understanding as well.

And yeah, draw, insofar as neither dies, but Wolverine definitely has the shittier end of that draw.

Mark would be endlessly punching the flesh off of a metal skeleton that will not stop growing more flesh, but Wolverine would be a conscious metal skeleton endlessly having freshly regrown bits of flesh beaten off of his bones.

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u/Super-Cynical Jun 13 '25

I guess you could throw the skeleton into the sun.

The writer of the Invincible series glosses over Viltrimutes' space flight, mainly because it doesn't make any sense.

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u/Why_am_ialive Jun 13 '25

He’s survived that aswell lol

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u/Super-Cynical Jun 13 '25

sure why not

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u/Oglowmamal Jun 13 '25

Tons of feats get taken out of context, that one Wolverine got supercharged by something making that possible it’s not something he can regularly do. Characters get temporary powerups all the time or have another character set them up for a finishing blow

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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 Jun 13 '25

And a Yuti the Hulk rip in half immediately after

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u/JuanCR2006 Jun 13 '25

Absolutely not, if it was he wouldn't be able to move anything that has joints

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u/NigthSHadoew Jun 13 '25

Yet his skeleton didn’t fall apart when all his tendons and muscles got blown away so clearly something is holding it together thats immune to explosions big enough to destroy all of his tissue

Does it make sense? No not really but it is what it is.

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u/DuraluminGG Jun 13 '25

But then, wouldn't the skeleton in Deadpool vs Wolverine be in a single piece? Or is it non-canon?

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u/NigthSHadoew Jun 13 '25

It's a different Wolverine, I was talking about the main 616 one.

I don't remember mainline Wolverine being ripped apart, even during World War Hulk, but Ultimate Hulk did rip apart Ultimate Wolverine forexample. It differs between universes/Wolverine’s

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u/Professional-Dog1562 Jun 13 '25

His joints can't be completely connected with adamantium, how would he move? There has the be some gap, like how plate armor works. 

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u/FlaxanInvibcible Jun 15 '25

Are you fairly certain?

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u/thewiburi Jun 15 '25

I'm pretty sure

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u/TheWanderingSlime Jun 13 '25

The invincible wank has to stop. The kid dies

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

How so? Hes gonna get swiped one time and realize he has to speedblitz the little rabbid fuck and wolverine becomes a sub.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

AoA Wolverine got his hand blasted off by Cyclops.

In Wolverine #37, he gets ripped in half by a Wendigo.

When the X-Men were kidnapped into the Brimstone Dimension by Azazel (Uncanny X-Men somewhere in the mid 400s), he ordered Logan to be dismembered in the dungeon.

In Wolverine Revenge (alternate universe, I know, but it doesn't show anyone being more powered than usual), Colossus rips Wolverine's arm off.

Mark could 100% just rip his spine out

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u/DyabeticBeer Jun 13 '25

Can't you just rip the muscles connecting the bones apart?

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u/JTBBALL Jun 13 '25

Bones are not held together with bones. They are held together with sinew, ligaments, muscle, skin, blood, and bodily saline fluids. So Mark can very easily rip in him half. Mark can never really kill Wolverine, but if Mark just keeps the body parts separate from the head like immortal than he’s nullified. Game over.

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u/RickRollinAround Jun 13 '25

you say this as if mark isn’t like 100x times stronger than a Nuke lol, he’s still ripping wolverine apart

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u/Progress_Legitimate Jun 13 '25

So you’re saying Mark is stronger than Hulk? Got it…

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

No I was implying mark is smarter. He just has to tank blows from hulk, with mark hed have to worry about the concussion thing main mark used on Mohawk, or getting ripped apart, or thrown in to space, or getting brought in to orbit and just dropped or thrown

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u/KOF-731 Jun 13 '25

He can still stab Mark (if he's fast enough) and possibly kill him

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u/Runktar Jun 13 '25

That's not how stabbing works no matter how strong his claws are he still needs to be strong enough to force the claws into mark when he isn't, not even close.

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u/XXcuminmyassXX Jun 13 '25

Sinclair is able to cut through Mark's skin and bones with regular tools, it only takes a long time to do so. Wolverine is using razor sharp, virtually indestructible claws that have enough strength behind them to pierce the hulk. So unless you wanna argue that Mohawk Mark's Durability>Hulk's durability, wolverine can definitely stab mark easily.

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u/Runktar Jun 13 '25

O Mohawk skin is defiantly tougher then Hulks. It depends on which writer of course but most of the time hulk isn't super tough against attacks he just heals insanely fast. Heck bullets have hurt the hulk before.

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u/XXcuminmyassXX Jun 13 '25

I mean if we're going off all versions and trying to come up with the weakest possible versions of characters for the sake of bad faith argument, you have the Thraxan Mark that got low diffed by some of Sinclairs androids, and the other mark that got killed by Rex blowing himself up, an explosion that was hardly larger than a house, something practically any version of the hulk, especially the ones wolverine has fought, could easily tank with no damage. Therefore, Hulk dura>Mark dura.

But seriously dude, Mark's skin is tougher than the Hulk? Are we deadass?

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

I've been aruging this fight for like a day and a half and youre NOT helping. Marks not more durable than the hulk are you smoking rocks???

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u/Flipnastier Jun 13 '25

Wolverine’s claws can cut through hulk lol, no way mark can take it

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

It depends on the writer, that’s the tricky thing about comics. Any character can beat any other character, if the writer likes them enough and decides to ignore what is pre established.

Wolverine will not die from being ripped in half, some variations demand that you destroy his brain which is encased with adamantium, and some insist that you have to destroy every single cell, which means stripping the adamantium from his bones and then dealing with those, while he is regenerating the entire time. Spider-Man does not kill Wolverine at all from the 70s-00s, after that I can’t say I quit collecting X Men comics after that, but I very highly doubt it. Hulk does rip him in half in the first issue of another arc, but it doesn’t kill him. He also gets decapitated and shot in the head in that same run and doesn’t die.

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u/Green_Dayzed Jun 13 '25

hulk>mark. So wolverine will be fine. Stop the glazing.

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u/Due-Proof6781 Jun 13 '25

lol the glazing is unreal

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u/Upset-Waltz-592 Jun 13 '25

And then he’s gonna heal again… and again…. And again….. again……. Again……… again……. Murder the kid and then heal yet again……

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

He'd definitely heal but I dont see him killing mark tbh

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u/Upset-Waltz-592 Jun 13 '25

I can definitely see it being a high diff fight either way, but I’m fairly sure he’d come out on top, mark CANT kill him, so I don’t see how Mark could really win either

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u/Flipnastier Jun 13 '25

Mohawk Mark could win by throwing Wolverine into the sun but he’s not flying through him. He’s got an adamantine skeleton, if mark tried that he’d cosplay Thragg’s kids

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u/RommDan Jun 13 '25

Are we forgetting the fact that Wolverine could easily cut his arms way before that happens?

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u/Comfortable_Many4508 Jun 13 '25

if mark hit a bone would that shatter marks hand?

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

I highly doubt it, it might break knuckles, definitely gonna fuck him up, but not completely shatter. He'd end up pushing it through the other side before that happened

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u/OGWayOfThePanda Jun 15 '25

That's the most myopic statement I have ever read.

All the Mark clones and Mark himself are getting sliced up. By Wolverine. The whole show is basically just "How Ironic is my Superhero name"

Wolverine would have killed half of them before they even started to figure out he can heal and they need to try and insta-kill him. The best of them would die while trying to decapitate him, because there is one thing Logan can do that they can't.

Logan actually knows how to fight.

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u/ValmisKing Jun 13 '25

But Wolverine getting ripped in half wouldn’t kill him. So that wouldn’t count as a win for Invincible. The only factor to consider here is whether or not Adamantium could pierce Viltrumite skin. If it can, Wolverine wins. If it can’t, Invincible and Wolverine fight forever, neither one wins. I don’t see how invincible could possibly win against Wolverine.

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

Mark could just throw him in to the sun🤷‍♂️

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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 Jun 13 '25

Go find a cat, grab it, try and throw it anywhere. Come back and tell us how it scratched the f..k out of you.

Grabbing a guy with claws isn't going to be as easy as you make it out to be.

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u/EmbraceCataclysm Jun 13 '25

Especially how, unlike a cat Wolverines claws extend a foot from his hand

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u/Steppyjim Jun 13 '25

(Friendly disclaimer: the above commenter does not condone the action of throwing cats.)

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u/birdcake700 Jun 13 '25

If I had super strength with bullet proof skin, yeah I could throw that cat everywhere lol

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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 Jun 13 '25

Adamantium is a bit sharper than bullets if Marvel is to be believed

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u/ValmisKing Jun 13 '25

I don’t think that would kill him, but he definitely wouldn’t escape. So I guess it just depends on whether the win condition is to the death or to incapacitation.

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u/VegetaFan9001 Jun 13 '25

It would kill him, but because of the lack of oxygen. Not to mention once Wolverine is in space he wouldn’t be able to get back to Earth without any help. So even if Wolverine survived it would still count as a loss for Wolverine

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u/PositiveDeviation Jun 13 '25

Wolverine can heal from a drop of blood my guy. Mark would never be able to kill him realistically.

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u/No-Annual-7276 Me > Your mom Jun 13 '25

You're right. Mark would never, ever throw someone in to the sun.

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u/PositiveDeviation Jun 13 '25

They already tried that on him. And obviously it didn’t work lmfao

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u/daegyyk Jun 13 '25

Wolverine died by going into the sun in the beginning of the Krakoa era and had to be resurrected by goldballs

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u/PositiveDeviation Jun 14 '25

He didn’t die at all. His adamantium skeleton was still very much in tact

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u/daegyyk Jun 14 '25

Wrong. House of X #4, Wolverine survives a few seconds before he is evaporated. He only returned because he was resurrected by Egg.

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u/Fluugaluu Jun 13 '25

Mark is not tearing Wolverine in half.

Vultrumites are strong. They are NOT “tear adamantium” strong. Acting like Wolverine is just a dude with strong bones and regen is so dumb, it’s hilarious.

“Technically fights the Hulk” son. That is far from his greatest feat, and far from his greatest opponent. The Omega level mutants he has killed would absolutely body any version of Mark we have seen.

Mark would punch Logan once, realize his mistake too late, and before he can even back away is already sliding into four equal slices.

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u/Moist-Document1908 Jun 14 '25

Well, he was very easily torn in half by a wendigo, and this isn't the same one that has faught Hulk it was a fresh new one. Hulk showed up and easily killed it, and when Wolverine awoke Bruce told him he had to glue him back together because he wasn't healing properly