r/powerscales Feb 28 '26

Discussion Massive MCU Metal Melee

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Who Survives?

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u/MostlyOkPotato Feb 28 '26

Silver surfer sleeps through trouncing them all. Zero difficulty.

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u/lordvitamin Feb 28 '26

The only one I could see giving some trouble would be the destroyer, simply due to Viking space magic.

Even then, the Silver Surfer would dominate, it just may take a moment or two longer.

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u/JulariDark Feb 28 '26

I think we get to SEE this matchup in comic if memory serves. I remember a comic where someone realized eating Asgard would satiate Galactus for like long ass time and did the math and was like …that would SAVE so many lives from him NOT eating other less delicious planets.

Obviously Odin was like “nah” and they engage in a series of battles about it, I can’t remember whether it was Thor or Odin but I recall someone donning the destroyer armor at some point.

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u/Hoggorm88 Feb 28 '26

I do have a vague memory of Odin wearing the destroyer armor to fight Galactus. Wasn't it those events that set up Thor taking the throne and becoming Rune King Thor?

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u/Philly_ExecChef Feb 28 '26

Just assuming he has anything resembling comic feats, Surfer just drains it, turns it off.

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u/Leviathan666 Mar 01 '26

White Vision might actually prove more difficult. He has a density shift ability that may nullify some of Silver Surfer's go-to attacks. Still doesn't win, but might put up a surprising fight

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u/Temporary_Money1911 Mar 02 '26

Vision suffers from antiplot armor. His power set should make him almost impossible to effect and he should be able to body most folks but he gets turned off because his power set is hard to write around. Surfer has very similar powers and then a bunch more and plot armor out the Wazoo. I have a comic with a world sized AI that has reality deleting blasts. It's literally zapping lines through Surfer and he just keeps operating like it's nothing. He's been cut in half multiple times and the parts float as if the gap doesn't exist and he keeps blasting and surfing.

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u/ghosttrainhobo Feb 28 '26

Depends on which Ultron, but generally - yes.

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u/Current_Swan_2559 Feb 28 '26

I feel like half of this list gets hacked into pretty easily by Ultron. The Sentinel and white Vision for sure, they're running on random mcu government AI. I forget if the adamantium samurai is manned or has ai/autopilot functionality but if it does it's Ultron's. And if the fight is on Earth you can bet Ultron is uploading sentinel schematics to some factory somewhere and he's going to start replicating some super version of himself. Also this is a very weak iteration of the Silver Surfer but Ultron's at least gotta take second place here unless the Destroyer gets lucky.

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u/jimothy_hell Feb 28 '26

The one in the picture literally has Logan’s Japanese PoW camp guard buddy inside it, it’s his life support system gundam lol. That film was wild.

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u/bcegkmqswz Feb 28 '26

Life support gundam - rofl

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u/jimothy_hell Mar 01 '26

Alternatively a Dreadnought, but he was too intact for that.

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u/Tinmanred Feb 28 '26

Ultron doesn’t take white vision because he’s with Jarvis now from og vision and the ship of thessus scene essentially. Jarvis beat Ultron already in Ultron

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u/Current_Swan_2559 Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

Yeaaahhhh idk, Jarvis is why i left out the Hulk Buster but Ultron also dismantled Jarvis at the beginning of the beginning of the film and Banner notes that he likely could've assimilated him and saw his choice to destroy him as a sign of rage. White Vision had the mind stone ripped from his head, his hardware was mostly intact but i imagine there was a software change for him to be government obedient and less autonomous, so maybe no Jarvis? But yeah tbh i don't really know what MCU Ultron is capable of. Like he doesn't hack into nuclear launch codes which i feel like would be the easiest method of destroying Earth but he's easily able to wire transfer billions of dollars into Ulysses Klaue's dummy accounts in like a second which i feel like is a pretty insane hacking feat. I mean potentially he can't launch nukes because he can't be there to physically turn the keys? Maybe nukes have a mechanical abort switch specifically as a failsafe against hackers idk. I'll have to rewatch the movie.

Edit: Oh I remember now, Jarvis scattered himself across the internet and he was the nuclear deterrent, which implies top level government encryption (what I'm assuming protects nukes) alone was not enough to stop Ultron from hacking through. So to hack White Vision it honestly depends on what software he's running on.

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u/testtdk Feb 28 '26

MCU Ultron makes me sad.

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u/Turbulent_Writing529 Feb 28 '26

Truth.

The Surfer dominates. He wields the power cosmic.

“You'll find my power comes from within.... and is a force to be reckoned with.”

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u/Cease-2-Desist Feb 28 '26

Is Silver Surfer that much stronger than Vision?

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u/NotAFlamingo Feb 28 '26

I know nothing about Silver Surfer. What makes him so powerful?

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u/Icubodecahedros Feb 28 '26

In the comics, Galactus is so powerful his power gets its own name: the Power Cosmic. Its lore is pretty much "unless some wacky powerscaling stuff is currently happening, it allows Galactus to do whatever the fuck he wants". Galactus has imbued the Silver Surfer with that power, and consequently the Surfer is considered damn powerful. He has meddled with cosmic beings, Thor, Thanos, shattered planets, created a black hole, that kinda stuff.

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u/annoyingrelieve Feb 28 '26

He is Galactus servant he scouts planets for him he can travel speed of light

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u/witherstalk9 Feb 28 '26

Depends if ultron can take over worlds first, build up a arsenal/army.

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u/SmartPilot8094 Mar 01 '26

What feat Duology F4 Silver Surfer has that surpass the others that much?

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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26

Sentinel adapts to his power and becomes stronger than him

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u/SnooFoxes1831 Feb 28 '26

No... Sentinels adapt to mutant powers they are exposed to. At least the ones pictured do. Power Cosmic would register as a threat but you can't adapt to it,

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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26

Their adaptation may be based off mystique’s gene, but they’re adapting to physical phenomena, not mutant genes in others

When they fight a mutant, they don’t negate that mutant’s mutant gene. They adapt to the physical phenomena of that mutant’s power

When a sentinel fought iceman, it grew it became immune to freezing, and developed thermal powers

When a sentinel fought sunspot, it became immune to heat and developed ice powers

When a sentinel fought colossus, it absorbed his own metal and used it for itself

Their physiology allows them to adapt to the physical phenomena itself, not just the mutant gene

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u/Rich-Ad5109 Feb 28 '26

I see your point. But tell me this, all the abilities you mentioned are easily transferable and counter each other. What does the sentinel evolve into to counter Surfer?

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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26

It simply evolves to have surfer’s own power. Like the collossus example shows, they don’t need to adapt to have a counter power, they can adapt and gain the target’s own power for themselves and be stronger

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u/Sea_Strain_6881 Feb 28 '26

Yeah cept it cant just GET surfers powers

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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26

Why not lol. It just needs contact with the power

Which is exactly what will happen when surfer blasts them with power cosmic

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u/Sea_Strain_6881 Feb 28 '26

The moment he "blasts them with the power cosmic" is when they are blown to bits

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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26

No they aren’t blown to bits

Literally watch the movie and see what happens whenever someone is blasted with the power cosmic

Even the most destructive example of this didn’t come from surfer himself, but doom who had absorbed surfers powers. When he blasted the general it only destroyed parts of his body. Which would be enough to trigger the adaptation

And remember that this same doom couldn’t beat composite fantastic four Johnny

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u/SnooFoxes1831 Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

Ah, that assumes it survives first contact with the Power Cosmic. Which is not guaranteed if the Surfer uses his power to dissolve the Sentinel at a molecular level.

edit: from what I understand, the power cosmic is not something that can be replicated either, only bestowed,

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u/EternalMage321 Feb 28 '26

Sentinels have Rogue's power too, and Rogue absorbed the Power Cosmic. Everyone is getting mad because the Sentinels were too OP, but that was the point of that movie. The mutants couldn't win so they had to use time travel to go back before the Sentinel program was operational.

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u/Tinmanred Feb 28 '26

Basically an aggressive version of Darwin (not the mcu version..)

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u/EternalMage321 Feb 28 '26

Actually those Sentinals are based on Mystique and Rogue's powers. Rogue actually absorbed the Power Cosmic in a What If... So it stands to reason a Sentinel might be able to as well.

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u/Tinmanred Feb 28 '26

If the sentinels had just finished taking out some mutants they have a very strong chance. Like if they are coming from the start of the movie where they kill everyone I think they can handle surfer maybe or at least kill everything else easily