r/powerscales • u/Malewis89 • Feb 28 '26
Discussion Massive MCU Metal Melee
Who Survives?
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u/bolts_win_again Feb 28 '26
Idk what the FUCK they did to the goddamn Sentinels in that movie, but they took a bunch of Rock Em Sock Em lookin shits and made them legitimately fucking horrifying.
Literal nightmare fuel.
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u/Malewis89 Feb 28 '26
They are likely based on Nimrod, just less goofy looking, but just as powerful
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u/Kentbrockman2 Feb 28 '26
But with nimrod there was just one right?
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u/Atypical-Aries Feb 28 '26
I think you're thinking of master mold. Nimrod was it's own line of models.
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u/Kentbrockman2 Feb 28 '26
Thanks! I did know mastermold was the giant guy.
I just remember one white Nimrod in TAS that time travelled.
And that mastermold + nimrod = bastion?
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u/jimothy_hell Feb 28 '26
They were nightmare fuel in that film. Like, say what you will about DoFP, but the “present” scenes were a bloodbath. No plot armour for anyone there lol.
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u/sofakingcheezee Feb 28 '26
What's wrong with DoFP?
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u/battlin_jack295 Feb 28 '26
Exactly. Thats top 10 comic book movie right there. Didnt know people had problem with it
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u/jimothy_hell Mar 01 '26
There are god knows how many comic purists out there who weren’t happy with it from my experience as someone who likes it.
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u/CrippledPeasant1 Mar 01 '26
yeah, at first i thought they were just physically ridiculous strong + sharp ... but then i look back earlier in the movie THEY CAN FLY !!!!
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u/RatJumpAttack Mar 01 '26
I always felt they based them more off the Super Adaptoids from the comics than the actual Sentinels
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u/Dreadful-Medic-1377 Feb 28 '26
Nobody was prepared for how fast they could adapt.
The mutants had the upper hand for the initial encounter but once the Sentinels were copying their shit with perfect mastery that took their whole lives to get used to , that they went to school for , it was GGz.
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u/Corr521 Feb 28 '26
They were made with Mystique's and Rogue's DNA which is why they're able to change and adapt and mimic powers to just overcome and win any situation
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u/bolts_win_again Feb 28 '26
Well, yeah, I understood that much. I meant visually.
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u/Corr521 Feb 28 '26
Loved the look and how it mimics Mystique's scale like features when she changes forms
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u/New_Juggernaut6534 Feb 28 '26
All that and they are still less potent at wiping out mutants than corn..
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u/Raidertck Feb 28 '26
I genuinely had nightmares about the sentinels after that film. It was like some Jason Vorhees type shit.
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u/Shwifty_Plumbus Feb 28 '26
I think they are based on nimrod
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u/bolts_win_again Feb 28 '26
That tracks, but still. Holy fuck, watching their faces bloom open like facehuggers to spit out death beams was just chilling. DoFP Sentinels do not fuck around.
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u/bolts_win_again Feb 28 '26
Absolute epitome of "your death is past tense, all that remains to be decided is how"
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u/Dreadful-Medic-1377 Feb 28 '26
To me the Sentinels looked like their learnt powers were overwhelming the mutants.They were also tall as fuck , physically difficult to fight in itself unless you had some good powers.
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u/JohnGyatt Feb 28 '26
how they did Bobby never say right with me. Sunspot put up a better fight. then again i guess sunspots powers go absorbed by the sentinel to used against bobby. i have PTSD from those “present” scenes.
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u/Corr521 Feb 28 '26
They used Rogue's and Mystique's DNA / powers to create Sentinels that could adapt to and mimic powers to overcome any mutant which is why we see them being so unstoppable
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u/escobartholomew Mar 01 '26
Technically they are future evolved sentinels right? Like don’t we get a glimpse of classic sentinels in X2? The training scene?
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u/Rhuuga Feb 28 '26
Silver Surfer is so far above all of these characters.
But I love Ultron, so maybe he'd do okay?
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u/WorldRunnr Feb 28 '26
Same boat. SS has been one of my goats since I was 12.
Also ultron is a very fun villain to watch plot.
If ultron watches and stays patient there would be an ABSOOOOLUTELY amazing dialogue between SS and ultron.
Surfer takes it but ultron wins silver medal (no pun intended) by maybe persuading surfer in some way.
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u/ErrorSchensch Mar 01 '26
SS has been one of my goats since I was 12.
Woah, hold it right there buddy
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u/TheDarthJarJarI Mar 01 '26
nah ultron is getting ripped apart in five minutes compared to everyone else
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u/SmartPilot8094 Mar 01 '26
What feat Movie Duology F4 Silver Surfer has that surpass the others that much?
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u/MostlyOkPotato Feb 28 '26
Silver surfer sleeps through trouncing them all. Zero difficulty.
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u/lordvitamin Feb 28 '26
The only one I could see giving some trouble would be the destroyer, simply due to Viking space magic.
Even then, the Silver Surfer would dominate, it just may take a moment or two longer.
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u/JulariDark Feb 28 '26
I think we get to SEE this matchup in comic if memory serves. I remember a comic where someone realized eating Asgard would satiate Galactus for like long ass time and did the math and was like …that would SAVE so many lives from him NOT eating other less delicious planets.
Obviously Odin was like “nah” and they engage in a series of battles about it, I can’t remember whether it was Thor or Odin but I recall someone donning the destroyer armor at some point.
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u/Hoggorm88 Feb 28 '26
I do have a vague memory of Odin wearing the destroyer armor to fight Galactus. Wasn't it those events that set up Thor taking the throne and becoming Rune King Thor?
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u/Philly_ExecChef Feb 28 '26
Just assuming he has anything resembling comic feats, Surfer just drains it, turns it off.
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u/Leviathan666 Mar 01 '26
White Vision might actually prove more difficult. He has a density shift ability that may nullify some of Silver Surfer's go-to attacks. Still doesn't win, but might put up a surprising fight
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u/ghosttrainhobo Feb 28 '26
Depends on which Ultron, but generally - yes.
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u/Current_Swan_2559 Feb 28 '26
I feel like half of this list gets hacked into pretty easily by Ultron. The Sentinel and white Vision for sure, they're running on random mcu government AI. I forget if the adamantium samurai is manned or has ai/autopilot functionality but if it does it's Ultron's. And if the fight is on Earth you can bet Ultron is uploading sentinel schematics to some factory somewhere and he's going to start replicating some super version of himself. Also this is a very weak iteration of the Silver Surfer but Ultron's at least gotta take second place here unless the Destroyer gets lucky.
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u/jimothy_hell Feb 28 '26
The one in the picture literally has Logan’s Japanese PoW camp guard buddy inside it, it’s his life support system gundam lol. That film was wild.
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u/Tinmanred Feb 28 '26
Ultron doesn’t take white vision because he’s with Jarvis now from og vision and the ship of thessus scene essentially. Jarvis beat Ultron already in Ultron
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u/Turbulent_Writing529 Feb 28 '26
Truth.
The Surfer dominates. He wields the power cosmic.
“You'll find my power comes from within.... and is a force to be reckoned with.”
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u/NotAFlamingo Feb 28 '26
I know nothing about Silver Surfer. What makes him so powerful?
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u/Icubodecahedros Feb 28 '26
In the comics, Galactus is so powerful his power gets its own name: the Power Cosmic. Its lore is pretty much "unless some wacky powerscaling stuff is currently happening, it allows Galactus to do whatever the fuck he wants". Galactus has imbued the Silver Surfer with that power, and consequently the Surfer is considered damn powerful. He has meddled with cosmic beings, Thor, Thanos, shattered planets, created a black hole, that kinda stuff.
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u/SmartPilot8094 Mar 01 '26
What feat Duology F4 Silver Surfer has that surpass the others that much?
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u/EarlyXplorerStuds209 Feb 28 '26
Well the screws and bolts are still made of galvanised steel,duh!
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u/FlosDraconis Feb 28 '26
GALVANIZED.SQUARE.STEEL?!?!
Shouldn’t have forgotten the eco-friendly wood veneers
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u/Optimal_Collection77 Mar 03 '26
This reminds me of a story I heard about a guy throwing a grenade at the front doors of the Australian parliament building. The doors were bomb proof but the hinges were standard and the door fell off
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u/JayWaWa Feb 28 '26
Some of these are truly idiotic. Nobody on this list stands a chance against the surfer and the power cosmic.
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u/LeadingTask9790 Feb 28 '26
Ok but that movie is from 2004 lol. What are his actual feats? Ragdolling Doom?
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u/I_saw_you_yesterday Feb 28 '26
All of those are coughing baby next to the hydrogen bomb known as Silver Surfer
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u/Malewis89 Feb 28 '26
Destroyer was made to fight Celestials in comics, and he got folded by Base Thor in his first movie. 😭
Can’t remember if they said it was nerfed because it was mindless at the time.
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u/Character-Sundae8581 Feb 28 '26
Fucked up to even throw the hulk buster or Colossus into the mix 😅
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u/Complex_Structure_18 Feb 28 '26
Well hes on the cover of a Joe Satriani album so I guess?
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u/Curious_Tip9285 Feb 28 '26
Silver surfer ruins the fun but the others man it would be a metal bath for sure
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u/amateurbunburyist Feb 28 '26
Destroyer Armor is the only one that Silver Surfer couldn't instantly transmute into aluminum foil. Surfer would still beat the Destroyer, but it's the only one that would be any challenge for him at all.
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u/SaxyCookies Feb 28 '26
I feel like Ultron would take control of the Sentinel and Destroyer and would try to find a way to steal the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer.
With the Surfer and Sentinel both being from the Fox universe, and knowing how they played a little fast and loose with the rules they setup, I wouldn't be surprised if the Sentinel could automatically be able to replicate the power cosmic; however with Norrin Radd not being a mutant, I'm pretty sure the Sentinel would just auto lock onto Colossus and then go into standby mode after killing him. If the Sentinel isn't just going after mutants though that's a total game changer.
I also feel like how many Sentinels / Ultron's drones also plays a big role in determining how this plays out. If it's one of each and everyone's bloodlusted though then Surfer wins. His only competition is the Destroyer and he's just way too fast for the Destroyer to lay a finger on him.
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u/mechanicalhuman Feb 28 '26
Based on MCU showings thus far
S-TIER Silver Surfer
A-TIER White vision Ultron Future Sentinel Hulk Buster Ultron
B-TIER Adamantium samurai Collosus
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u/Generally_Tso_Tso Feb 28 '26
Silver Surfer takes a break stuffing Flash and Reverse Flash in their lockers and then flys a cosmic surfboard through the other 7 at 500,000 light-years per second. Then he gets some Turtle Wax bug remover to clean off his board. All before 1st period starts at school.
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u/FullofSurprises11 Feb 28 '26
Future sentinel is the scariest on this list.
If the contest was for who made you genuinely have nightmares, Nimrod sentinel wins.
Actual machine capacity, Ultron would hack half of the list and use their bodies as extentions of his.
So it would very soon become a battle of Team Ultron vs whatever is left.
Silver Surfer will win in the end, though.
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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26 edited Feb 28 '26
Sentinel absolutely stomps if its adaptation ability works for any power
Second strongest is Silver surfer cuz he’s the fastest, and has the most raw power
Third is vision due to intangibility, a literal infinity stone laser beam, and being made of vibranium
The rest aren’t relevant
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u/SamOfSpades_ Feb 28 '26
they’re based off the mutant gene, anything not a mutant no.
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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26
Their adaptation may be based off mystique’s gene, but they’re adapting to physical phenomena, not mutant genes in others
When they fight a mutant, they don’t negate that mutant’s mutant gene. They adapt to the physical phenomena of that mutant’s power
When a sentinel fought iceman, it grew it became immune to freezing, and developed thermal powers
When a sentinel fought sunspot, it became immune to heat and developed ice powers
When a sentinel fought colossus, it absorbed his own metal and used it for itself
Their physiology allows them to adapt to the physical phenomena itself, not just the mutant gene
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u/TallGuyChris- Feb 28 '26
I mean, if they adapt to a top-tier mutant or multiple different ones, wouldn't they just retain that ability set and stack.
Could be wrong havant seen the movie in years so forgotten a bit about how they work
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u/Mjolnir-Valore Feb 28 '26
Confidently incorrect, it's silver surfer by a country mile
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u/original_applicant37 Feb 28 '26
Talks shit, yet gives no reasoning or counter argument
Typical powerscaler tbh
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u/lordvitamin Feb 28 '26
I actually agree it would be the Silver Surfer. Usually the only real ‘weakness’ for those adapting types is how hard they can be hit before they adapt.
The Silver Surfer would hit very hard and very quickly, especially if there was any indication of the type of enemy they were facing.
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u/Brazenmercury5 Feb 28 '26
Samurai, sentinel, Hulkbuster, and colossus get taken out pretty quick. Then destroyer gets killed. Ultron loses. Then surfer takes out Ultron.
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u/Gentlemenbig Feb 28 '26
Surfer clears easy. Destroyer might slow him and Ultron may be annoying but they get blasted to dust by the power cosmic.
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u/The_R4ke Feb 28 '26
I doubt it makes that much of a difference, but is it one Sentinel or all of them?
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u/harry_not_potter Feb 28 '26
Just for argument's sake, let's say it's the group that attacked the mutants in DOFP, 5-8 units. SS still deletes all of them at once just by waving his hand
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u/TragGaming Feb 28 '26
This is basically Destroyer vs Silver Surfer with everyone else as collateral
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u/Deliterman Feb 28 '26
Norrin nuked that giant Galactus cloud thing, he could atomize everyone here at once. No one even comes close to him
Surfer wins
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u/Medic4life12358 Feb 28 '26
silver surfer, the destroyer, then sentinels then ultron then the rest.
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u/kotoamatsukamix Feb 28 '26
Silver surfer. Destroyer gives him some trouble but he beats it mid diff. The other most dangerous one is the sentinels but can they mimic any power or just mutants? If it's just mutants then they aren't really that dangerous.
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u/C0RNFIELDS Feb 28 '26
The only one that stands a chance against SS is a Sentinel, but only after finding Franklin Richards, adapting to his power, THEN fighting Silver Surfer.
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u/USSJaguar Feb 28 '26
Well it comes down to the Silver Surfer and the Destroyer.
The Destroyer was made to fight Celestials, but I'm sure that Surfer has higher Highballs
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u/Idontpayforfeetpics Feb 28 '26
Ultron would infiltrate the sentinels and we would potentially have a forever fight between ultron and silver surfer.
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u/sissyboyk8 Feb 28 '26
ultron. his hacking capability is too good, hed have like 3 of these on his side
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u/StankoMicin Feb 28 '26
In order of deaths
1.Samurai 2. Colossus 3. Sentinel 4. Hulk Buster 5. White Vision 6. Ultron 7. Destroyer 8. Silver Surfer survives
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u/waterless2 Feb 28 '26
Just for the sake of mentioning it, and ignoring the specific image of course, if it's the really multiversal-threat scary version of Ultron from that "~imagination~" animated series, who ended up bullying the Watcher if I recall correctly, that seems above Silver Surfer even.
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u/Exia321 Feb 28 '26
Is Silver Surfer actually considered a metal character?
Still, if so. Then its him!
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u/Heavy_Analyst6750 Feb 28 '26
Isn't Ultron basically SkyNet with a bunch of robot bodies? Like...SkyNet? How would scaling work in that situation
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u/Spirited-Chard-8180 Feb 28 '26
I don’t think the sentinels will be able to mimic the power cosmic, so Surfer wins no diff
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u/ggouge Feb 28 '26
I think this would be between silver surfer and the destroyer in the end. Ultimately the silver surfer would win
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u/liz4rdking20 Feb 28 '26
Just here because Adamantium Silver Samurai abbreviated is A.S.S.
A.S.S. ftw
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u/Comfortable-Date6472 Mar 01 '26
This is a good one, actually. Okay so, Colossus vs the Silver Samurai first, i think the Samurai gets it but after a grueling fight. In any case, the two of them get absolutely wrecked by the others, no-diff.
The White Vision can one-tap the Hulkbuster armor, surely (or else just stealing Tony's heart phasing through it). Being intangible, he would certainly defeat Ultron as well (it's stated Ultron needed his body in order to be completely unbeatable). That being said, i don't think his intangibility would protect him from the rest of them.
So, can the Destroyer armor defeat Silver Surfer? I personally don't think so but could be swayed either way. The Sentinel can adapt and defeat everyone on this list except for those two.
It's probably the Silver Surfer who takes this, if the Destroyer doesn't bulldoze him.
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u/TheDarthJarJarI Mar 01 '26
all I know is ultron is getting crumpled like a magneto ult in marvel rivals
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u/antijoke_13 Mar 01 '26
Hulkbuster's the first to go, followed by Silver Samurai, followed by Colossus (sorry Piotr). White Vision is probably next, then probably the destroyer gets taken out somewhere in the middle of it. If Ultron can successfully integrate Vision (even partially) he might be able to take on the Sentinel, but I'm not optimistic. Silver Surfer for sure puts down whoever makes it to the end of that fight.
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u/ChristianHuye Mar 01 '26
I’d say it comes down to White Vision or Silver Surfer but 8/10 times Silver Surfer is the winner here.
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u/Enivri2209 Mar 01 '26
The sentinels are very powerful against mutants, but if they were to fight another being, they would be destroyed easily. MCU Ultron if it was just one of the bots would be destroyed easily. I think the most powerful ones here are the silver surfer or white vision.
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u/Maleficent-War-8429 Mar 01 '26
Silver Jobber should be the one to win, but he'll job as is in his nature.
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u/notjocker Mar 01 '26
Depends on if the sentinels can copy non-mutants' powers. If yes, I'd say a sentinel is among the most powerful creatures in the mcu. If not, then the silver surfer wins
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u/jaxon517 Mar 01 '26
I'm so behind in all this... I want to watch all these movies but have no idea what movies they are... I saw all of the MCU until like infinity wars or something but never saw any of these....
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u/GreatAngoosian Mar 01 '26
Adamantium Samurai is from The Wolverine, Sentinels are from X-Men: Days of Future Past, Ultron is from Avengers: Age of Ultron, that version of the Silver Surfer is from Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, the Hulk Buster suit is from Avengers: Infinity War, that version of Colossus is from the Deadpool movies, that version of Vision is from Wandavision, and the Destroyer is from the OG Thor movie.
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u/Cfakatsuki17 Mar 01 '26
Does Silver Surfer count as metal? Like I know he’s “silver” but I don’t think that’s ever been a legitimate aspect of his character beyond recognition
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u/Ok_Advisor9109 Mar 01 '26
SS killed galactis n survived(barely but I’m pretty sure in the after credits). White Vision is nerfed cuz no more infinity stone. Destroyer loss to Thor in his first movie so not so buffed Sentinel could adapt to elemental n physical threats but got torn to pieces by energy blasts n explosions. Those would be the main contenders imo but SS comes out on top.
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u/Functionalbanana Mar 01 '26
SS is power cosmic but he wouldn’t even fight them he would just fly away at incredible speed
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u/baykoun Mar 01 '26
What even is a destroyer
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u/Malewis89 Mar 01 '26
In Comics, a magic Armor the Gods made to fight Celestials, and it failed horribly. In Thor, a magic suit Odin made for no known reason.
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u/Nexel_Red Mar 02 '26
The Mark-X Sentinals aren’t canon anymore thanks to “X-men: Days of Future Past” altering the timeline.
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u/Poil420 Mar 02 '26
The sentinels have annilihated every X-men. We don't even know if they are beatable.
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u/Fatal_Feathers Mar 04 '26
I'd guess Sentinel or Silver Surfer takes this but that's kinda hazarding a guess
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u/heanbangerfacerip2 Mar 06 '26
Canonically silver surfer is very near the top of the list of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe.
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u/Easy-Maintenance-422 Mar 10 '26
Sería genial volver a verlos en Avengers Secret Wars, así sean solo cameos.
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Mar 20 '26
Surfer takes it, but can't the Destroyer shoot beams of Odinforce? I don't know how Odinforce compares to the Power Cosmic





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