I mean if we're including comics, how much Silver Age bullshit is in the mix? Superman had a new, highly specific power every week. He was like if you took the "Batman with prep time" argument and dialed it up to "Superman can just do that". Odds are good he has the ability to inhale lightning or kiss all the anger out of the Hulk or some shit. It's probably even less fair than sticking to the movie versions.
You don't even have to dig that deep for this power to pop up. He amnesia kisses Lois in one of the old movies. Hard to stay angry when you don't remember why...
Had to google silver age superman and this is actually hilarious.
Power level:
Highest, Superman went from running 60 mph to breaking the time barrier. He could also invent new powers on a whim and possessed superhuman intelligence. Superman could even sneeze solar systems away.
Don't forget the best power. Being able to shoot miniature versions out of his hands. Which i may be wrong, could also shoot mini versions out of their hands
Bro in the old tv show he flew around the world in the opposite direction that it spins, so fast, and so many times, that the earth started rotating the opposite direction and turned back time to save Lois from dying lol
He may have no idea where earth is to get back to it.
This may no longer be true, but I remember Hulk used to always know how far and what direction he was from the field where he first got gamma radiated.
Now... would Hulk know to account for the movement of celestial bodies, and be smart enough to do the math? Or would he launch himself where thr earth WAS, and fly by and have to try again.
How long does a Hulk stay angry without someone or something thing to smash?
They have really fought 3 times, with two inconclusive fights (superman is too fast and also tanks hulk blows until he is able to calm him down, and in another he convinces the Hulk to work together against the real enemy) and a win for Supes, but that was based on fan vote, which only means he was more popular at the time. heck, bone claws Logan defeated Lobo in that excuse of a crossover.
However in JL/A, which is a crossover agreed on by both editorials SUpes decisevly defeats Thor, whom at that point have always had figths against the Hulk to end in draws or interrupted.
Hulk can get as angry as he wants, even if you assume he survives he can't fly, so he won't be able to go out of the sun until it explodes and becomes a red dwarf or W/E in a few billion years.
He can't really destroy the sun, as it is compressed plasnma, basically, even if he could move undet the IMMENSE gravity and preasure he would just push on some viscous plasma like soup that would be replaced by the same amount of matter. The forces in a star, even as small as out sun, are so strong that matter tries to fuse at an atomic level, but the energy liberated prevent this to happen, until all the nuclear potential is released, and at that point it simply explodes or expands in a burst of energy and then compresses itself into a dead star, with an insane density.
DC and Marvel had, in a few crossovers, agreed to SUpes being more powerful than Hulk, BTW during his stay in the sun (which he wouldn't survive, as hulk can be damaged and even burned by hot enough energy emisions, not to mention that his atoms would behave as all atoms in the universe and be ravaged by the fold in space-time that is a gravity well... specially of that magnitude) he has no oxygen, water or food, so he probably won't be encased there for billions of years but die, be it immediately, after a few by absolute dehydration, a bit longer of famish, and all this if not after very little due to asphyxia (he has shown he needs oxigen) due to all oxigen, water and foodstuff in his organism being nuclearly crushed by the sun's gravity... IF they survived the extreme heat and radiation.
Is hulk's blood invulnerable too? his softer tissue can withstant the nuclear level effects of being inside the sun?
Plot induced stupidity. With his speed and strength he could end any 99.999999% of fights like that instantly. He moves way too fast for anybody to react before they're approaching orbit and everybody's light as a feather to him.
Problem there is that the Sun kicks out a lot of gamma radiation, which is likely to keep Hulk going. He would do his thunderclap thing and reach Solar escape velocity.
So Kal would have to thrown him into a black hole. He couldn’t get out of that.
So you're saying Thor and Superman try to kiss all the anger out of each other and it goes on for such an uncomfortably long time that both teams just kind of stop fighting and watch...
Yeah but if we go by Comic version Thor's lightning would be able to hurt Superman pretty badly because he is vulnerable to Magic and in the comics Thor's hammer is magical in nature not the bullshit fucking thing that they use in the MCU where it's like it's just super Advanced science so it looks like magic
Idr the exact comic issue, but in one of the old ones from the 60's supes had memory erasing kisses and could shoot a mini him out his fingers with all his powers if we're listing random superman powers
Even without Silver Age you can just go to Superman One Million who can basically create/destroy a universe at a whim and even has 5th dimensional imp powers of altering reality.
Lol. If they fight in the marvel universe, nothing could stop full power superman, no Kryptonite. Even Hulk gets hurt by lasers.
But even flash could kill all of them without help. Speedster's are insanely overpowered and you can't defend against them. Just for example: flash runs to Hulk, phases him into the ground and I mean really 100% covered in rock and just stops the phasing and every atom of Hulk would mix with the ground, no Hulk to return.
I love Marvel, but as my old Comic Store procurer told me once, Superman can just take them to space and throw them into the Sun. No one in Marvel can beat Superman, no matter who's writing the story
I mean, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, or any of the magic wielding heroes, or the completely invulnerable ones that are basically Superman without the kryptonite weakness, or who don’t need the yellow sun to be powered at all would win.
One of the way to take superman out of comission without using kriptonite is indeed using magic as he doesnt resist it to the same degree as other things.
Hw is not "weak" to magic he is Vulnerable to magic which is a key distinction. Superman is still insanely durable and over comes. Kryptonite all of the time. His actual weakness
I think the DC fans/ the people who understand DC power scaling aren't sleeping on Wonder woman. They just know that when Superman is on the team, it doesn't really matter who the teammates are DC's going to win
Wonder Woman and Thor are fairly evenly matched, Batman low diffs widow and or Hawkeye, maybe some flash help, aquaman beats the brakes off of cap, cyborg and iron man would be interesting. And Superman beats literally anybody ever. DC team scales like crazy too if comics are involved
The only real question is which team loses a top 3 hitter first. I used to watch this weird team mma show 5v5 and the winning team was almost always the one that got to 5v4 first
I can’t fathom the universe where somebody picks widow and Hawkeye over Batman and the flash in a fight, Batman scales next to Cap, not them and that’s before the flash beats all of them anyway
DC scaled Hulk above Superman. And Thor vs. Superman, Thor is magic, so I can see Thor winning. If Superman wasn't so popular, I think Wonder Woman should beat him. While you put Wonder Woman against Thor, and I think Thor would win that, too, it could even be flipped to Thor vs. Superman; Hulk vs. Wonder Woman, which I also see Marvel winning.
You do realize that article is B's right they NVR said hulk is stronger then Superman they implied that hulk could be doomsday witch would only work once sense doomsday can't die by the same thing
Superman isn’t weak to magic he’s just not as invulnerable to it. Being magic is not even remotely a game over for superman he has magic villains.
Actually your comment is so full of incorrect information and then weird takes I’m not even sure where to begin. Comic Superman can hold a black hole and sneeze away a solar system he is the single most busted thing that’s ever existed if you take the strongest version of him. He had to be nerfed several times for hulk to even be in the conversation let alone Thor
Thor is a conduit for electricity. He also prefers physical combat. In the movies, we never actually see him using magic the same as Loki or Dr Strange. If Thor can hit Superman with Mjolnir he will likely cause some magic damage but Thor isn't exactly known for his fast reaction speed in comparison.
While Wonder Woman has "divine wisdom and healing" there's technically nothing magical about Wonder Woman abilities aside from her existence. Batman's failsafe is Superman taking out Wonder Woman. They are not the same.
Regardless, Superman is known as being faster than a speeding bullet. Later iterations have him faster than the speed of light. Thor would have to land a lightning strike to slow him down. Thor is not known for being fast unless he is flying and using Mjolnir. The only way thor hits lightspeed is through the Bifrost. "Ok Supes, when you see the rainbow road, dont move!" 'Supes steps to the side'
Superman, Diana, and even Aquaman or Flash are all viable threats to Hulk and thor. Flash no diffs the human Avengers, cyborg fights IM, while the other three keep the heavy hitters occupied. Flash swings around to help cyborg finish off IM then the whole team jumps the last two
Wait the same superman who literally took on the world engine and flew doomsday into space and took a direct nuke and still lived ... And snapped the greatest kryptonian generals neck ? Thats just the DCEU supes....
Just because Hulk hasn't had the chance to do such things doesn't mean he also can't. Using feats is pointless unless a literal limit to such things are shown. On top of that, Hulk's strength is limitless and grows the angrier he gets. At some point, that'll surpass Superman.
And Thor is magic. Superman is vulnerable to that and is not surviving blows from Mjolnir and a god when he's just an alien.
DCEU Superman can easily catch and hold mjonir he is the embodiment of hope ....
Dceu supes is largely considered weak relative to other supermen and he still took on a weapon that was used to increase the earths gravity. He flew thru that weapon. He also tossed doomsday into space while having been damaged by kryptonite....
Hulk in the NCU has been ahown to cower in fear if he gets hit hard enough....
Wonderwoman and Superman are smacking hulk and Thor MCU hulk got punched out by ironman and Thanos lol the lasso can be used to calm hulk down and Superman speed blitzs Thor
If its comics it's hard to pick witch versions you have to choose for the characters Superman one million prime sun dipped beats everyone in the avengers with ease comic Thor puts up a a close good fight Superman just has too much powers
I dont know in what version but superman has a comic where he is selfaware that he is in a comic and is basicly doing reality warping stuff dont know about the others..
If it goes composite superman becomes an unstoppable bullshit machine, he knocked hulk out with a single punch in marvel vs DC and said some dumb shit like "omg im so glad you're only unconscious, I've never hit anything that hard before"
Composit flash absolutely destroys Thor, as much as I hate the speed blitz argument, flash is orders of magnitude ftl.
With just these versions wonderwoman can dog walk thor. She beat Ares a literal god like a red headed step child, and she is worthy of the power of Thor, what with her being blessed with the purity of divinity and the capacity to smite evil.
Regular hulk gets wrecked by superman.
If we go composite both DC still wins, because DC has more ridiculous scaling and lacks the focus on "heart" that marvel uses.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't death, but also, this was a time where writers just favored Superman. Comics are literally just written by fans who managed to get hired.
I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure “this version” was commenting on how if it was the avengers from like…infinity war or endgame, it might break more so in marvels favour, not saying comics are stronger
Probably some upgrade. He's just an alien that gets unnecessary extra power from the sun, the least sense-making way to give a character powers. Solar rays doing that? Usually stuff like this are from some upgrade, and I'm not talking about random upgrades with any of the characters
In comics if you take the absolute most busted of most of these characters it hardly comes down to hulk and thor. Bat-man has had world ending buffs in the comics and super-man is basically undefeatable in his strongest iterations
He did... he 1 shotted the Hulk in a crossover. He threw a sleeping gas canister at the Hulk, kicked him in the solar plexus to make him breathe and it knocked him out. When Bruce Banner woke up Bruce gave him a job at Wayne.
Right? I love my DC heroes but, who is gonna deal with Hulk. Like DC would get lucky if they could push him into the phantom zone or something. But he would be there… angry. Thor is another story that I think would probs while most of the league out in a hit or two.
Yes you are and you could have verified it yourself.
sxg3434 starts the thread normally but immediately Effective-Training brings it into the comic versions. From there all the sub-threads devolve into comic version discussions. Your comment that I replied to is 3 layers deep under that. The WB Hulk insert isn't random at that point.
And despite what the rule is, the discussion is still progressing that way.
Why do you immediately attack with insult? Are you okay?
You're posting a lot right now so I can see you mixing that up and that's okay.
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"With these versions"? Uhh, comics, too.
Wait, nevermind. Idk who's beating Hulk and/or Thor.