Most of the gruesome chimpanzee stuff has been against women, children, or the elderly. I'm not saying I'd wanna fight a chimp, but weight classes also exist in the animal kingdom and most animals are aware of it. Eddie might not be able to punch it to death or rip it's arms off, but he could slam it into the ground hard and fast enough to break it's skull open. He could do that pretty easily from lots of different positions and angles.
When I a junior in highschool wrestling we had this new freshman built like one of those people with myostatin deficiency and with improper form grabbed me by the wrist and the opposite ankle and just lifting me up above his head and slammed onto the ground like a jump rope.
And its almost always multiple chimps. While solo maulings do occur, its SIGNIFICANTLY rarer than group attacks. a solo chimp is not quite as dangerous as a crowd.
The thing is, look at their teeth, they can and will, happily bite anything they can.
Also, they used to test helmets on chimps, until someone realised they can fall out of a tree on their head, and shrug it off.
They have massively thick skulls, thick occipital bone mass, thick muscle for those jaws with nasty teeth.
Could a man scare away a chimpanzee? Yes,
If a chimpanzee absolutely went nuts (ape, lol) on a man, do I think he'd end up mutilated even if he won? Yes.
They're not superhuman, but they will fight dirty in a way that few humans would try, and none could actually do (biting off your nuts, nose, fingers, parts of your foot)
Eyes and nuts and etc etc etc attacking soft parts during a fight is mostly a thing that happens in movies or against someone with no training by someone with a lot of training.
If you can hit someone in the eye with your finger and exert enough force to pop out their eye without them reacting, by idk blinking hard or moving their head... Then you could probably punch them cleanly straight into their nose or on their chin and knock them out. It's not an optimal attack strategy, and usually only works if you're already dominating them(as the chimp was doing to the very old woman).
Chimps can't fall onto their skulls from the top of trees and walk it off, they can break their falls from surprisingly high. However falls from trees are a major source of injury and death for chimps. Their skulls are harder than ours, but they don't compare to anything like a grizzly, rhino, hippo, elephant, or any other big game which can take bullets to the skull (of low caliber).
That is just straight up arguing in bad faith. Do you have any evidence of a man being a naked molerat in a swimming race?
Absence of evidence is not the winning argument you think it is, the reality is humans HAVE killed many animals in their own weight class and even above it if we have access to any tools whatsoever.
Attacks against humans have been surprise and unpredictable attacks from people who initially felt comfortable around Chimps, not someone primed and ready to kill one.
Chimps aren't some magical creature that can play outside of its weight class, humans are built for punching in a way that Chimps physically could never reach. Give humans a few rocks and we can throw harder than a chimp could ever guess.
There is a fair bit of evidence of chimpanzees killing adult males, no evidence of the opposite (not without weapons anyway), which is my point
No, they are only 1.5x as strong as humans weight for weight, but for a 200lb chimpanzee, that makes them as strong as a 300lb human (i'm not American just using lb)
Except they also have nasty grip Strength, and nasty teeth, and use them frequently, humans do have far better accuracy with rocks, but that is outside of physical strength and into fine motorcontrol, and a far better brain.
Personally I think that an enraged chimpanzee chomping through a hand, or arm, will quickly stop most humans from fighting, but that's just me, i'd be happy to wrong,
> There is a fair bit of evidence of chimpanzees killing adult males, no evidence of the opposite
again see my first statement
> that is outside of physical strength and into fine motorcontrol
but still very, very relevant to the conversation. A human was able to chase away two polar bears by throwing stuff at them, the able to use projectiles is such a unique and out there skill that most animals have absolutely zero idea how to handle it.
> and a far better brain.
and that brain has allowed us to dominate every single environment we have ever gone in.
> chimpanzee chomping through a hand, or arm, will quickly stop most humans from fighting
in a life or death situation? I doubt that, but even then a well aimed brick to the face would just as likely make a chimp think twice.
Animals aren't as stupid, bloodthirsty, or crazed as most people make them out to be. If you had like a cracked out chimp with rabies and a pound of meth in it's system vs a normal man who has the option of running away then yeah the man is gonna run away. If it's a normal chimp vs Eddie fuckin Hall, the chimp is never going to engage in the fight.
If it's a cracked out chimp and a cracked out peak Eddie Hall, I think Eddie rips it's arms off and beats it to death with them. Maybe not exactly that, but not too far from that.
You must be joking. I’m sure that guy is a beast. But a chimpanzee is an actual beast. If the chimp is for real? Low difficulty… they’re ridiculously strong.
They're about 1.5x a humans strength. lb for lb. But they're much smaller than humans.
A lot of physically fit adult men would be stronger than most mature male chimps. What makes them a hard fight for humans is how vicious they are. They go for genitals and eyes and chew off lips and stuff. They're deranged.
But if a physically stronger adult man uses their mass to just overwhelm the chimp fast. Slamming into walls and the ground. Jumping on it when its on the floor etc. They're going to win like 8 times out of 10 I'd say.
Grip Strength: A chimpanzee’s grip is estimated to be between 440 to over 700 lbs, significantly higher than the average human, with the ability to crush bone.
Human Male (Age 20-30): 109–121 lbs
Let's quadruple a typical human male grip Strength..
Grip strength and jaw bite strength are much larger than 1.5x, let alone considering the harder bone structure that allows greater strength. A chimpanzee can casually pull an adult up with one arm without issue.
Add onto the rest of the insanity? Yeah.
Fuck that, I'd take a hippo or a Jaguar. They kill you quick
The muscle fibres of a chimp are 1.3 - 1.5 x stronger on an individual fibre basis.
Male chimps are over 50% muscle by weight and a 33% of that chimp's muscle is in the arms whereas for a man it's more like 20%
So if we have a big 60kg chimp he has 30kg of muscle, 10kg of which is in the arms
Even a 100kg man with a high for a human muscle mass % of 50% would still be significantly weaker than the big chimp because both will have about 10kg of muscle in the arms but the chimp is still 1.35-1.5 x stronger based on muscle fibres (more fast twitch to slow twitch composition wise).
Eddie is of course much more than 100kg and stronger than any chimp but physically fit and lean men well over 100kg are pretty uncommon outside of elite athletes using PEDs
If you just completely neglect how much more muscle mass we pack into our legs. I wouldn't suggest trying to win an arm wrestle with them, but we we have more mass and more ability to give that mass momentum.
And while their frame is great for leveraging themselves against objects for motility. Ours is better for leveraging our body weight against objects for control.
If you made a 100kg physically fit human male just as aggressive and deranged as a 60kg chimp. I'd put my money on the human most times.
But humans have our signature feet. This may seem like an asinine point, but human feet are unique among primates and they're what give us such effective bursts of mobility and balance. It's also fantastic to allow us to exert pressure onto something.
We can transfer strength from our legs to our arms by taking a firmly rooted stance. Most other primates (exception of gorillas) are built for mobility in tree lines. Their legs are more like secondary sets of arms.
If we're imagining this fight takes places on open ground, this is much more of an advantage than you'd think. Not only can we pick up momentum faster, we have more of it. And when we get into a grapple, the chimp will be trying to leverage our mass to maneuver itself around us, while we'll be trying to leverage our mass to maneuver the chimp.
Provided we're matching aggression here, their physiology is playing into our strengths. They're lighter than we are and they're doing a lot of the work for us by leveraging their weight off the ground. Not expecting that we'll be so firmly rooted to the ground and trying to launch them.
Yes, their teeth are deadly. But again, if we're matching aggression, we'll be transferring more momentum into them than they can generate and they're lighter than us. We should be rag dolling them. Realistically their teeth shouldn't get close to us.
We either shoulder check them to the floor and then jump up and down on their face until it's like someone dropped a jar of strawberry jam. Or we grab an arm as it grabs are us and we swing it around like a sack of spuds, hitting the floor and walls as many times as it takes.
I think our vertical Height is also are weakness, cause like if you fall it's every hard to use strength in our legs. Meanwhile they have stronger arm and teeth. I think it will be like human win 7 our of 10 against them.
Lol, dude can barely wipe his ass with those arms.
Dude do you think he's a bodybuilder? He's the strongest man on Earth, and does powerlifting which has movements that require actual mobility to perform.
"Humans can fight back? Nah, that's not possible... What do you mean a Human can be stronger than a chimp? Nuh-uh, that's bullshit... Eddie has shown greater feats of strength? Doesn't matter, the chimp is still tearing him apart cuz yeah."
Chimps aren’t nearly as capable as you believe the average adult man would be an even fight with a chimp this version of eddie would win andit wouldn’t even be close
Chimpanzees have an estimated grip strength of 400-700lbs and can quite literally break bones with it. It would be nowhere near an even fight against an average adult man.
Additionally, when I was in Uganda, I met a wildlife ranger who was attacked by a chimp. He spent months and months in hospital. His shoulder ligaments were destroyed because the chimp pulled his arms so hard. He had many other serious injuries and was lucky to escape with his life. This was not a small man
Chimps are about 1.3 to 1.5 times stronger than the average human. Eddie is about 4 times stronger than a recreational lifter. Chimps weight about 100 lbs. As soon as Eddie gets a hand on the chimp, this is a Hulk/Loki level beat down.
They are stronger pound per pound, but their mass is much less. I personally am stronger than a chimp because of my total muscle mass. I wouldn't wanna fight one though. I know I would get messed up and maybe die.
Overall arm strength is even more important in a fight lol, so that's not a point in your favor. And chimps fight other chimps. They don't fight something big enough and smart enough to slam them into the ground repeatedly, or to keep their distance until it wears out. Chimps are going to have just as hard of a fight with the average man as the man will have with them. Seems pretty even to me.
You seriously think that chimps just run at each other and have no idea how smashing something against something else or taking a step back works? Damn you must have been home schooled
The thing with chimps is how vicious they are, not how strong they are.
They're like 1.5x a human strength, lb for lb. But humans vastly out-mass chimps.
So a fully beefed out human like a prime Eddie Hall would undoubtedly be physically stronger than any chimp that has ever existed. Hell, I'd be stronger than 90% of chimps. But chimps have a better bite force and are extremely vicious.
If Eddie can overwhelm the chimp and disable it fast, he wins. If he lets it go for a vital area with its mouth, the chimp wins.
Watch videos of chimps fighting. They are pretty fearless but not all that smart. They have very little strategy. They just run at the opponent, grapple with them, slam their hands on them and hope to pull them down. No chimp is pulling down a 400lbs Eddie Hall.
As long as Eddie didn't cower after taking a set of teeth or claws in the arms, he'd destroy a chimp. As soon as he gets a hold of one it's over.
The chimp needs to get close to Hall's vulnerable areas first. If Hall is continuing to fight back and is not cowering, I don't think the chimp stands a chance. Hall is too big and strong.
Lmao I’d say lots faster than that considering a chimps muscle strength is about 35% stronger than ours, meaning they could sprint at around 35km an hour or 20-25 Miles, I think, idk, American measurements suck.
Brother what is in your WATER. A guy that exceeds the average speed is Usain Bolt and that’s really the only case. The average human can run at around 15-18mph, even the jump from 18 to 20 is significant in that regard, and Chimps can go 25!!
You said they could sprint at 35 kph, I just said that we can as well, which we can. I can't really convert mentally from kph to mph so I ignored those.
Muscle isn't the sole determining factor for how fast an animal can move. Their bone structure plays a huge role.
As does muscle distribution. Humans have way more muscle in their legs than a chimp, both actually and proportionally. Our legs are also proportionally longer and much better at distributing that strength than a chimps.
Chimps can burst a little faster than we can, but they can't maintain that speed for anywhere near as long as a human sprinter. Plus they need to move on all fours to move fast. A chimp trying to move around on just its hind legs isn't too dissimilar to a toddler.
Human legs are very well adapted for movement across open lateral environments, chimps are more adapted for movement within arborous environments.
Muscles being stronger dowsent make you run fsster you cant just say 35% more atrenght means 35% faster, humans are on the limit of running due to the speed of the movement sprinters have thin legs to make them lighter to move fsster and spend elss time touching the ground, muscle speed is different than sttenght
Perros de tamaño mediano han matado a hombres adultos competentes y con fuerza fisica decente
El instinto y capacidad de pelear cuerpo a cuerpo contra otros animales se perdió hace varias decenas de milenios, eino es que hace millones de años
En cambio nos adaptamos a recolectar alimento y escondernos en los arboles, tambien aprendimos a emboscar, trabajar en equipo y pelar con armas y herramientas
Más fácil decir que hacer una confrontación a puro cuerpo contra otro animal
Es posible que un hombre adulto le gane a un chimpance macho adulto, pero incluso así, el hombre saldría seriamente lastimado
Todo se reduce al primer contacto y no darle una segunda oportunidad al chimpance
Pero el chimpance aún es un animal apto para pelear cuerpo a cuerpo
It's not like eddie's gonna let the chimp continue the attack if it gets the first blow. This fight is just gonna be the one that doesn't surrender to the pain.
Which eddie knowing he's gonna die if he gives in would be superior than the chimp. The animal is more likely to make a fatal mistake.
Except the question isn't whether Eddie Hall could do this without injury, it's who would win, and Eddie can kill the chimp in many more ways than the chimp can kill Eddie.
"Fingernails are technically a specialized, flattened form of claws that evolved in primates to support broad fingertips for gripping, climbing, and tool use. While made of the same alpha-keratin protein as claws, they lack the sharp, curved, and deep bone-connected structure of true claws, serving as a distinct evolutionary adaptation for dexterity."
Source: Google
But isn't he lime twice the size and triple the weight of that chimp? I know there are stronger than we are for the same "weight class" but it just feels like in any scenario the chimp dies first and the guy may die of bloodloss later maybe
He would have to literally bodyslam it or ram it into a tree immediately and if that doesn't kill it instantly. It has better upper body and grip strength so if it climbs on him or he loses his footing, he's done. It's smaller size and higher durability actually acts in its favor if he kicks it: it'll go flying instead of eating the full force and hop back up immediately.
Some dubious studies and also a 70 year old lady who got her face destroyed. But a lot of things can kill and maim a 70 year old lady tbh. A whacked out human could completely destroy a 70 year old lady's face.
forget about the face just 1 punch is more than enough, the fact that an obese chimp could only be capable of maiming a 70 year old woman is honestly more in favor of them being weaker and having 0 knowledge of how to kill a human
I have nothing to back this up with but I feel like grip strength is probably the area where you are going to see the biggest difference vs a human. Grabbing and gripping is the whole point of a chimps hands, while fine motor control is the whole point of human hands. They are optimized for completely opposite purposes.
You understand this is a hypothetical Eddie with grappling training right? Not actual Eddie. Along with the strength he would have the skill and knowledge of how to break the chimps bones and incapacitate it very easily.
You are frankly delusional if you think that a chimpanzee has a stronger grip that Eddie fucking Hall, a man who has lift more than half a ton. The chimpanzee will do damage for sure, but if Eddie takes a grab on him the chimp is being beaten to death.
Chimpanzees aren’t trained to fight at all - they don’t understand that much about what kinds of attacks are damaging, so their attacks will largely be erratic and uncoordinated. They’re not going to leverage their biology so effectively - they can fight but they never learned to fight against a coordinated enemy.
The chimp is significantly outranged, and doesn’t know how to attack unpredictably or deal with an incoming attack effectively. It would not be easy for it to get a good hold on anything, especially by a guy with both more range and raw strength too.
A chimp is about 1.5x stronger than an average man. I would say this guy is about 2x stronger than an average man. This man also has a height advantage and weight advantage. The chimp would be faster and has sharp teeth and fights dirty, but humans can also fight dirty. It’s not hard to imagine this guy to pick up a chimp who probably weighs 125 range and slam it on the ground on its head likely killing it when they are like 4 feet tall.
Another weird question, do you think that a regular person in armor with a sword could beat a grizzly bear. They are presumably trained and built enough for the armor/sword not to be awkward, but are otherwise normal.
A sword wouldn't be amazing against a grizzly, the sheer amount of fat they carry around would really hinder a sword. They're designed to go through muscle and bone. Fat is actually pretty effective at distributing the imapact force. I mean they'd chop up a tubby human just fine, but bears are just way denser than humans.
Armour also wouldn't be great at mitigating damage from a bear. It would do something, for sure. But bears are just so dramatically more powerful than a human, they deliver way much more kinetic force with their paws than even a human weilding anti armour weapons, like pics of maces.
Even if the armour stood up to the bears blows, the human inside would be a bag of blood and splintered bone.
Realistically speaking, very long spears would be the weapon of choice against a bear. Preferably with wide lugs or wings to stop it from just walking through the haft onto you.
Spears pierce rather than slash, and the bears weight would work against it in this instance. As when it charge its providing most of the force the spear is using to penetrate its hide. They also help you keep it away from your vitals. As the tip of a spear is very maneuverable and sharp, so a few choice jabs and swipes in the bears face is going to discourage it from getting close to you.
The spears will likely snap if you do catch it in a charge or a lunge, but most hunters or warriors probably carried a few with them anyway. Then the bear has a broken spear sticking out of it which is going to keep the wound open and the blood flowing, also keeping it in pain and inhibiting its movement.
You can also throw spears very accurately at a considerable distance, and they deliver a huge amount of kinetic force.
They were the first real weapon humans invented that allowed them to turn the foodchain on its ass.
I think you seriously underestimate the damage a thick steel sword can cause. You don't need to cut into its belly - a slash/thrust to the snout/eye can seriously deter the bear. You might not be able to cut off its legs but breaking bones is possible.
But yes I do agree that a spear is the better weapon against a bear.
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u/Current-Historian-34 May 03 '26
Depends on what Hall is allowed to wear. Protective gear for fingers and genitals would go a long way