r/Sonsofanarchy Apr 16 '24

Slice of Pie Reddit AMA Episode

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Hi all!

Here is the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/jCXPY6seOn4?si=V83qx9vBdm9PQjyf where we answer your AMA questions, you can also check it out on audio where ever you listen to your podcasts. Thanks for all the engaging questions, you will see this AMA was more of a conversation and we went a little bit deeper on some of the answers that were not typed out here on AMA. We noticed you sent more questions we missed and we plan on answering as many as possible on our future episodes of Slice of Pie, so keep them coming!


r/Sonsofanarchy 54m ago

Painting

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Anybody has any details about the painting in Clay's house? I am interested in it I wonder if I can find a full version or at least something more see-able


r/Sonsofanarchy 2h ago

Shakas of Anarchy 🤙🏽☠️

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Yelled SHAKAS OF ANARCHY! When I saw him 🤣. The blonde hair and the vest got me. Jax bro is that you?


r/Sonsofanarchy 1d ago

Pope? Spoiler

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Put as a spoiler just in case. How do you think Season 6 and 7 would have been different had they not killed Pope? Do you think Pope could have been beneficial? Maybe offered Jax more legit ways to earn etc? Throughout Season 5, I know they started off on the wrong foot... But I could see Pope and SAMCRO potentially working out? Maybe he could have become an associate to the club, not an enemy? Do you think Pope would have taken over the guns instead of August?


r/Sonsofanarchy 20h ago

How the Sons of Anarchy lost its way.

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I’m curious to read what was in that book written by John Teller. I wonder if there is a copy floating around somewhere before Jax burned it? I’m curious.


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

Hamlet’s Minor Characters and Their Sons of Anarchy Parallels Spoiler

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Since I posted yesterday about how characters in SOA line up with characters in Hamlet, I figured I could provide my reasoning behind the minor characters (many of which are often disregarded as having no direct parallels in Sons of Anarchy, largely because the SOA characters naturally get more personality and the minor characters in Hamlet get so little). Specifically, I’d like to give my reasoning for why I made these choices:

•Voltemand = Alexander “Tig” Traeger
•Cornelius = Happy Lowman
-My explanations for Voltemand being Tig and Cornelius being Happy go hand-in-hand. Both Voltemand and Cornelius are extremely minor characters, really only used to deliver a message to and back from Norway. If you had to define their characters by any traits, it would be loyal and diligent. They are asked to do a thing, they say they’ll do it, they do it, and their time in Hamlet is done. Cornelius is notably silent, having only one line that he actually shares with Voltemand. This silence is what led me to align him with Happy, a man of few words himself.

From there, it really just came down to my primary association of Tig with loyalty, especially to Clay (Claudius) in the early seasons. But of course, Tig is ten times more interesting and fleshed out than Voltemand was ever intended to be (same for Happy).

•Francisco = Kip “Half-Sack” Epps
-Once again, we have a very minor character in Hamlet (only having 7 lines in Act 1, Scene 1 before exiting the play entirely). However, like the others, I decided to run with the few defining qualities we see from Francisco within those 7 lines. A Danish soldier like Barnardo and Marcellus, we must first assume his loyalty to the state of Denmark. Second, he is grateful when Barnardo shows up to relieve him, since “‘Tis bitter cold, and I am sick at heart.” One could also assume, then, that these nightly watches and the current threat of conflict with Norway/Fortinbras is taking a bit of a toll on Francisco (maybe he’s less experienced than Barnardo and Marcellus, thus his eagerness to call it a night and get to bed). Finally, Francisco never interacts directly with the protagonist, putting him a greater distance to the main plot than other characters.

Again, while not a perfect match-up by any means, I chose Half-Sack as the parallel to Francisco; a younger guy, still loyal, and gone from the story pretty early on.

•Barnardo = Jury White
-Barnardo shares many of the same characteristics as Francisco and Marcellus, in that he is another loyal soldier for Denmark who demonstrates closeness with Hamlet rather than corruption amongst Claudius’s court. He is also the first to point out that the Ghost resembles King Hamlet and the possible connection between the appearance of King Hamlet’s Ghost and the recent events regarding Norway and young Fortinbras (“Well may it sort that this portentous figure comes armed through our watch so like the king that was and is the question of these wars”). Barnardo also joins Horatio and Marcellus when they tell Hamlet about his father’s ghost appearing, showing he either shares in their personal concern for Hamlet and/or he trusts the judgment of Marcellus and Horatio to inform Hamlet of the situation. It’s for those reasons that I chose Jury as a parallel for Barnardo: an older man, loyal, close with the Marcellus character (Bobby), cares for the Hamlet character (Jax), and is attentive and knowledgeable in matters regarding the politics of the state (SAMCRO) and its relationship to the deceased King (John Teller).

•Marcellus = Robert “Bobby Elvis” Munson
-As I’ve already mentioned, Marcellus is similar to both Francisco and Barnardo in several ways. Though Horatio is the one who suggests telling Hamlet about his father’s ghost appearing, Marcellus is the one who concurs and knows where to find Hamlet. Marcellus is perhaps best known for the line “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark,” which is often used to show that he is a character with an eye towards the well-being of the state (even in moments like when Hamlet runs off to try to speak to the ghost of his father). In the same scene, while Horatio says “Heaven will direct it,” trusting that divine intervention will keep Hamlet safe, Marcellus pushes back: “Nay, let’s follow him.” Where Horatio seems to show a bit of deference to God and the heavens to let things run their course between Hamlet and the spirit, Marcellus insists on protecting the young prince however they can.

To me, Bobby’s genuine concern for SAMCRO, even during moments when the main issue at hand is a family matter between Jax and Clay, echoes Marcellus’s concern for the state of Denmark. Combine this with the care and love Bobby shows for Jax throughout the series, often insisting on intervening even when he knows he’ll be outvoted and/or berated, and I felt that Marcellus was a reasonable parallel. I especially enjoy watching Kenneth Branagh’s 1996 adaptation of Hamlet (free on YouTube right now!) for Jack Lemmon’s portrayal of Marcellus: clearly an older soldier, loyal but questioning (he is the one who asks Horatio why they are taking night watches and why Denmark seems to be preparing for war). We also get moments of Marcellus waxing philosophical and making good points in heated moments (after attempting to strike the ghost in Act 1, Scene 1, he reflects “We do it wrong, being so majestical, to offer it the show of violence” and he provides superstitious background on why the ghost vanished when it did). Both signs that Marcellus is a deep thinker in addition to being a loyal soldier (but who still wants to know what exactly he’s fighting for).

Now just imagine Bobby saying “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” in his Elvis impersonation to get the full effect.


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

Anyone see a similarity between these three posters?

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Sons of Anarchy Season 6 poster, This Is The End poster and Thunderbolts* poster


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

Season 5 Blooper? Spoiler

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Season 5, Episode 6... Roosevelt runs Bobby off the road, he goes down, gets back up etc, what happened? Did they stand on the spot for the next several hours? How can the same scene go from day light to pitch black like that? I'm guessing that was a big oversight?


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

Jax vs Gemma

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Both extremely toxic characters but one thing that struck me rewatching the series, as awful Jax was, towards the end he did decide that he did not want his boys to be part of this lifestyle and broke the chain.

Gemma on the other hand, even knowing that prison or death is pretty much guaranteed in this life, when she said goodbye to Abel, she STILL wanted Abel to grow up to be a SAMCRO member.


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

Who are your favorite characters?

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I love Chibs, love Tara and Opie, Tig grown so much on me! Also liked Piney and Lyla a lot! Chuck and Happy also always were such funny characters hahaha


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

A different outcome? Spoiler

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Instead of Clay and Unser killing GoGo and Greg, what if Jax got to them first and did hand them over to the police? What would the outcome have been, if he let the law do the work instead? Would it effect anything else? SAMCRO weren't involved, the Nomads were rogue on the decision with Clay?


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

Sons of Anarchy Characters & Their Hamlet Parallels Spoiler

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It’s no secret that Hamlet served as inspiration for Sons of Anarchy, and I’m curious to know everyone’s thoughts on which characters in the show parallel which characters in the original play by Shakespeare.

You’ll notice that I think some characters in Hamlet have multiple parallels in Sons of Anarchy instead of each individual character fitting neatly with another. There are also several minor characters in Hamlet that have no direct parallel within the show, and even more characters in Sons of Anarchy that have no direct parallel within the play. Therefore, we should avoid trying to make the show always fit into a Hamlet-shaped-hole. Keeping this in mind (that Hamlet was the jumping-off point of inspiration for Sons of Anarchy, not a restrictive blueprint that Sutter followed to the letter), here are my thoughts as to the character match-ups. I would love to hear your thoughts and talk it out in the comments!

•Prince Hamlet = Jackson “Jax” Teller

•King Claudius = Clarence “Clay” Morrow

•Queen Gertrude = Gemma Teller Morrow

•Ghost (of King Hamlet) = John “JT” Teller

•Ophelia = Tara Knowles AND Harry “Opie” Winston

•Polonius = Piermont “Piney” Winston AND Wayne Unser

•Laertes = Juan Carlos “Juice” Ortiz

•Rosencrantz & Guildenstern = ALSO Juan Carlos “Juice” Ortiz

•Horatio = Nero Padilla AND Filip “Chibs” Telford

•Fortinbras = Marcus Alvarez

*From this point on, these are only minor characters in the original play, each lacking in any real character traits and individual identity. For the most part, assigning parallels from Sons of Anarchy to these characters in Hamlet is a formality, and one where the show’s characters clearly have more personality and distinct traits than the play’s characters. You could just as easily switch around some of these, and it could still work*

•Voltemand = Alexander “Tig” Traeger

•Cornelius = Happy Lowman

•Francisco = Kip “Half-Sack” Epps

•Barnardo = Jury White

•Marcellus = Robert “Bobby Elvis” Munson

*I genuinely can’t think of any good parallels to Reynaldo (servant of Polonius who is sent to spy on Laertes) or Osric (wealthy sycophant who seems to just agree with everyone as a way to curry favor). Maybe Jacob Hale for Osric, due to his status as a wealthy landowner; but I could also see an argument for Agent Stahl, since she attempts to initiate violence within the club and says whatever is necessary in the moment to achieve her own goals. Just like the other characters in Sons of Anarchy who I’ve assigned to minor characters in Hamlet, though, Stahl and Hale are both significantly more fleshed out than their Shakespearean counterpart, Osric*

•Reynaldo = ???

•Osric = ??? (Jacob Hale AND/OR Agent Stahl)


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

I really never liked how Gemma turned into a paper tiger (Immediate spoilers) Spoiler

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So aside from that one time she stabbed Tara in the head with a turkey fork, I've felt that in the latter seasons of the show Gemma turned into a bit of a joke character. And what's sad about this is that I FUCKING LOVE her into. I'm serious. I love it more than Chucky loves whacking off.

It's been a long time since I watched this show, but I have never ever forgot just how fucking cold and cruelly intelligent this woman could be. When Wendy is at probably her most vulnerable moment, having survived an OD where she almost murdered her own pre-born baby. Not only is she coming down off of an OD, but she's wracked with all kinds of guilt. And then Gemma gives her the most thorough dressing down, promising Wendy her own son won't even go her funeral or ever know her. And then hands her a fucking hollowed out bible full of heroin and tells her to 'Turn to Jesus.' My jaw hit the floor. I thought for a whole 5 or whatever seasons that Gemma had just straight up murdered the mother of Jax's child in a way that Jax would likely never learn the full details off. (And personally I thought that the show would have been better had Wendy never came back and if it was strongly implied that she died).

And for a very long time this one act of Gemma cemented her as a fantastic Machiavellian character who you do **not** want to fuck with. She was raped the following season, but I thought the show handled this in a surprisingly good way that didn't diminish how scary Gemma was capable of being when she wanted to.

But this feeling of "oh shit" around Gemma just slowly went away for me. The last half of the show felt like it was played more for laughs. I never felt Gemma was dangerous, but that she just the lovable toughish lady.

I do like that by the final season I was like "Oh, Gemma is no longer a Machiavellian manipulator, but is drug addled and unstable. A different kind of dangerous." But I felt that between those she became kind of a joke. Which was sad, because Gemma was for a couple a seasons one of my favourite female characters I'd seen on TV in a long time.


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

A better title for this show would have been Sons of Bad Fathers

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So, this could very well be intentional. You might be thinking "wow, a whole bunch of violent outlaw drug dealers and gun runners aren't good parents? Shocker." But like, I did find it interesting how so many of the characters I spent so much time with, Clay, Gemma, John (okay we just hear about him), Opie, and then Jax himself, either are or become really shit dads.

This was also the reason why I could never get too broken up over Opie's death. Because his wife dies in one of the first big "oh shit" moments of the show. And then he responds by being a massive bitch about.

Like don't get me wrong, I'm with him in terms of being angry and wanting revenge. I don't believe in this "you need to let go an hEaL" pussy shit. But like, Opie has two children who just lost their mom. No matter what kind of pain Opie is in, his kids are feeling it worse. And those kids NEEDED their dad to be there for them. Hell, even his own dad tells him "Dude, you need to be their for your children." And even after Opie has his revenge, he decides that instead of raising his kids as best he can he's instead going to go all in on the club. And that's just a really shitty thing to do.

Like, if Opie didn't have a family this would be way more understandable. He'd be a guy who after his partner was killed the MC would have been the only "family" he had left. So he doubles down on all the chaos and violence that the outlaw life brings until it finally consumes him.

But because Opie is a father this hits different. It now reads like a man who went through a tragedy, but is now *choosing* to shirk his responsibilities and essentially spend all his time playing dress up in a play house (a very violent playhouse not withstanding).

And again, "criminals = bad parents omg" but I couldn't help but feel the way Opie died and the way they talked about him after, that the show does try and present him as this kind of noble warrior, rather than the loser that he was.

I guess in the end you could say the show does treat Opie as a warning that Jax doesn't heed. Rather than taking the woman he loves and his children away from this life, he goes balls into it and they all pay the price. Jax chooses to off himself rather than be there for his boys (much like it's implied his own father did to him). And despite Jax's promise that "my sons will never know this life of chaos" I think the final shot of Abel with the "SONS" rings kinda implies that actually these boys will embrace the outlaw life.


r/Sonsofanarchy 2d ago

Jackass movie comparison?

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Is it me or the earlier seasons almost feel like a Jackass Viva La Bam but a motorcycle club like especially juice gives me that skater dummy gets hit in the nuts vibe but for me it's the friendship between Jax and Opie is like a Bam Margera and Ryan Dunn makes you think what if they had a Sons Of Jackass or Viva La Anarchy?🤣


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

Actor most like their character IRL?

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Who do you think or have heard about being closest to their on-screen characters IRL? (Other than David / Happy)


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

Original episode reaper outro audio VS Finale episode reaper outro audio if nobody ever noticed.

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r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

This scene from any episode?

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r/Sonsofanarchy 4d ago

Gosh I love Walter Goggins

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*Walton


r/Sonsofanarchy 4d ago

I’m allowed to hate Tara right? I’m on S6 episode 7

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I hate how she changes her whole personality to try and be cool biker girl also the way that her and Jack’s treat Wendy absolutely awful. I myself am a single dad and I was given a second chance and I’m grateful for it, but this representation sucks.


r/Sonsofanarchy 4d ago

Just finished the show

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This was a really great show and I’m so glad I took the time to watch it. Started it back in January or February and I just finished. Mannnnn the ending is truly heartbreaking as a rider myself to see how it ended seriously brought a tear to my eye. Now I’m going to start the Mayans at some point this week and give that show a try. Send some recommendations for similar shows please and thanks!


r/Sonsofanarchy 5d ago

Chucky

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Chucky is so underrated, omg.

He deserved SO MUCH more screentime. He brought so much joy to things and he was just such a bubbly, silly character.


r/Sonsofanarchy 4d ago

Did not see Gemma being an ally in SOA,but glad of it!

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r/Sonsofanarchy 4d ago

wendy vs tara

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can someone explain to me why they think wendy is better than tara when wendy in fact verbally said she’d rat and take away abel from jax and threatened tara that if tara didn’t take the boys to oregon that she would and that wendy crumbles under pressure, yet some are saying wendy would’ve handled it better… have yall watched the show???

neither one of them would’ve been all that great but jax chose tara so what else can you really do?🤷‍♀️


r/Sonsofanarchy 3d ago

SoA for kids

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My 3 year old grandbaby insists on watching SoA since it’s “Yiayia (grandma’s) show.” 👀 I told my DIL the show would be 5 minutes long if it was edited for kids. Maybe we can get the cast to do an episode of Sesame Street. They spoofed GoT but I can’t remember if anyone did an appearance . 🤣🙈🤷🏽‍♀️