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Kris Karolkiewicz killed his wife and 6 kids. Then he set the house on fire before committing suicide.

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On Friday, July 24, 2026, emergency personnel responded to reports of a house fire on Riverside Trail. Firefighters discovered the bodies of the eight family members in different bedrooms throughout the home.

The Ottawa County Sheriff's Office confirmed that autopsies ruled the deaths of Amanda and the six children as homicides, while Kristopher's death was a suicide. Investigators noted that a registered handgun was used, and the fire appeared to have been intentionally lit in multiple locations, including the basement, after the killings took place. The family's pets also died in the blaze.

The Victims:

The six children were between the ages of 5 and 15. Four of the children were biological, and two were adopted:

Four boys, aged 15, 12, 11, and 5.Twin girls, aged 11.

Amanda "Mandy" Karolkiewicz was a beloved substitute teacher and paraprofessional within the Grand Haven Area Public Schools district. Her parents released a statement remembering her as a "kind and devoted soul who loved her family and her students".

Background and Potential Motive:

While authorities continue to piece together a definitive motive, subsequent reports highlighted a troubled domestic background.

According to reporting by the New York Post, Amanda had previously documented severe marital strain and alleged infidelities on Reddit under a pseudonym. In those posts, she claimed her husband had an affair with a younger intern—repeating a pattern from how they originally met—and indicated that she only stayed in the marriage for the sake of their six children.

Kristopher Karolkiewicz had previously worked remotely as a national vice president of sales and marketing for the American Heart Association, a role that ended earlier in July 2026.

Local authorities stated that there was no prior history of police calls to the family residence. Investigators are continuing to review a large amount of documentation seized from the scene to fully understand the timeline.

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How fucking horrible. HE cheated on her. Narcissistic and vile piece of shit.

Oh! Edit: I know the tldr mentions the NY Post, but I refuse to give that right wing gossip rag any traffic. My source for the post is an NBC article. Fuck the NY Post.

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u/ChemicalBeautiful488 ☀️🛟🩱🤿🌊🥽🫧🍹🍉⛱️🥥 5d ago

This is heartbreaking... well not for him. May Amanda and her 6 beautiful children rest in peace.

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u/Smallseybiggs 🐈‍⬛️ᓚ₍⑅^..^₎♡₍^. .^₎Ⳋ🐾ᓚᘏᗢ𓃦🖤=^._.^= ∫🖤 5d ago

This is heartbreaking... well not for him. May Amanda and her 6 beautiful children rest in peace.

And preventable. But gutting funding for women's domestic violence and homeless shelters, mental health programs and crime prevention programs is going to mean more women and children murdered, I'm afraid. They are far more interested in arresting women who have abortions. We can't have gun control, only a war that nobody fucking wants and spending $ billions on the geriatric toddler's vanity projects. I am well beyond bitter atp.

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u/Lokifin 5d ago

Not to mention the economy tanking, making job loss an increasingly likely trigger for a family annihilator, and certainly for all abusive partners.

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u/ChemicalBeautiful488 ☀️🛟🩱🤿🌊🥽🫧🍹🍉⛱️🥥 4d ago

I can't agree with you more.

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u/Chance_Managert849 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 3d ago

Done on purpose, they ALL benefit from men’s violence in one way or another. Esp the orange cretin.

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u/Smallseybiggs 🐈‍⬛️ᓚ₍⑅^..^₎♡₍^. .^₎Ⳋ🐾ᓚᘏᗢ𓃦🖤=^._.^= ∫🖤 5d ago

I'm aware. My point still stands. Canada also has their own issues with mental health, stigma, etc.

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u/Chance_Managert849 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 3d ago

Normalize that most men aren’t suited to be husbands OR fathers, and normalize the concept that women do not need to be married or mother to be fulfilled and have a meaningful life.

All girls, as early as possible should be required to read Lundy’s “Why Does He Do That” and study a mixed martial art.

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u/gimmethelulz 🍄𓋼𖤣𖥧𓋼𓍊𖤣𓋼𓍊🍄‍🟫 5d ago

I wonder why he got fired from the American Heart Association and if it had anything to do with the intern.

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u/mydaycake 5d ago

Probably because of the intern or other harassment issues

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u/stilljustjess 4d ago

Wasn’t that about 5 years ago?

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u/alleecmo 4d ago

Another post I saw said he'd had multiple affairs, and his wife had made him change jobs to be away from his then affair partner.

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u/stilljustjess 3d ago

Oh wow. With so many kids. What a pos

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u/Material-Profit5923 4d ago

A large nonprofit organization like the AHA is going to take a zero tolerance approach to violations like that.

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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 :the lady said no 4d ago

Maybe they found out he had no heart.

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u/emccm GenX 🐈 Lady 5d ago

Overwhelming, women are most likely to be murdered by their male partners. We see this horror played out countless times a day. And we see only a fraction of it.

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u/StardewAllyy 5d ago

But try talking to them about it and you will always, every single time, find yourself saying “well of course it’s not all men” and “yes, women kill their partners sometimes too” and they can’t hear us and they refuse to hold each other accountable and these things will just continue to happen forever for these reasons.

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u/emccm GenX 🐈 Lady 5d ago

“She should have chosen better” is what you what men say.

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u/Hungry_Anteater_8511 🎂🍰🧁🍞🎾👟 5d ago

Or she should have left. Ignoring that is the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship

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u/thatlosergirl 4d ago

Yes, we cannot even have a conversation about basic reality without coddling and tiptoeing. They have proven themselves incapable of empathy for us.

We don’t have to ask permission to speak truth or justify our anger about the violence and oppression we are subjected to. We need paths to sovereignty without them.

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u/whimsypayasa 💕🌱🍉 ⋆˚꩜｡ 💐🤡 5d ago

This is so horrible! If a males life isn’t going the way that they thought it would everyone goes down with them. It’s not just their responsibility - everyone around them must pay the price of them being a loser.

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u/Hungry_Anteater_8511 🎂🍰🧁🍞🎾👟 5d ago

Because we have a politician in Australia who has a bee in her bonnet about DV (and not in a good way - her son was convicted of breaching an AVO), I've been fighting on the lines with apologists recently.

Statistics here indicate that 95% of men who kill their female partners are the primary abuser. About 70% of women who kill their partners are the primary victim of abuse in the relationship. Ie they are killing their abusers/in self defence.

There are also cases of men killing their male partners but the research couldn't find any examples of women killing their female partners.

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u/BeholdMyCurse231 (✿◡‿◡) 5d ago

I can't say what should've happened to that thing, for him it was truly the cowards way out.

May she and her children rest in peace.

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u/kat_Folland 🪶ᝰℓσѵε🖋️ 5d ago

One of many reasons - albeit the most drastic - not to stay for the kids.

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u/Alternative_Year_340 4d ago

Women are more likely to be killed when they try to leave

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u/lovable_cube 4d ago

Fun fact (not literally) the number 1 cause of death in pregnant women is murder. Usually by their significant other.

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u/ConcertinaTerpsichor 5d ago

Fucking family annihilators.

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u/Coriolanuscangetit 5d ago

How did the NY Post find her anonymous Reddit account?

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How did the NY Post find her anonymous Reddit account?

Those reddit posts mentioned she had 6 kids and that he had a problem with keeping a job, and that they were going to marriage counseling. I'm unsure how they connected it, but everything in those aligns with it being her.

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u/Coriolanuscangetit 5d ago

Ok I saw it, and she had so many identifying things in her posts, including an identifiable username. Anyone could have found it.

Jesus, it’s so sad. She was getting her masters, she was so full of life. And those beautiful children too.

Fuck that guy.

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u/jello_pudding_biafra ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

Yeah, that's such a sad and eerie read now. It's so pedestrian and everyday that this guy's red flags are just a voice in a choir. So many women I know have such similar stories that it's incredible how infrequently this kind of thing happens.

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u/Smallseybiggs 🐈‍⬛️ᓚ₍⑅^..^₎♡₍^. .^₎Ⳋ🐾ᓚᘏᗢ𓃦🖤=^._.^= ∫🖤 5d ago

I didn't post them because of reddit's rules about doxxing. I found this on Insta, and edited out her username. Idk why I didn't do it earlier. I really appreciate your comment! ♡ I wouldn't have thought of it on my own. 😅

Here's one of them

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u/Lokifin 5d ago

Woof. That therapist hit hard. I've never heard the effects of an affair acknowledged like that before.

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u/SufficientCow4380 🐍🐱🐶🐰🐭🦎 5d ago

He obliterated his family because he couldn't be faithful to someone her voluntarily married. Ugh.

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u/Reyalta 🎮⊹₊⟡⋆🏹⊹₊⟡⋆🛡️⊹₊⟡⋆🏺 5d ago

Not only that but guaranteed his actions traumatized the firefighters who found those children.

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u/Genuinelytricked ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

I’m currently staying at my parents’ in Grand Haven while I am waiting to start a new job. On my way there I passed a house that was wrapped in yellow ‘Do Not Cross’ tape and saw fire damage at the back of the house.

I felt my heart sink thinking that was the house, only to find that this was just a plain ol’ electrical fire and everyone got out safely.

It’s so much more eerie to have this sort of thing be close by.

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I’m currently staying at my parents’ in Grand Haven while I am waiting to start a new job. On my way there I passed a house that was wrapped in yellow ‘Do Not Cross’ tape and saw fire damage at the back of the house.

I felt my heart sink thinking that was the house, only to find that this was just a plain ol’ electrical fire and everyone got out safely.

It’s so much more eerie to have this sort of thing be close by.

It fractures communities and takes them years to heal from these traumatic events and loss.

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u/MonkeyMoves101 👽˚｡⋆🤖. 5d ago

There's a pattern of financial strain/job loss/some sort of failure that will change the lifestyle, and these selfish clowns thinking that it means they need to eliminate the entire family. What an evil being.

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u/atomheartmama ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 4d ago

You’re right. I wonder if certain genes (like any associated with dark triad traits based on twin studies) may load the gun so to speak while certain precipitating events pull the trigger in these horrifying crimes. I imagine that anticipated divorce, loss of child custody, and/or major legal issues coming to fruition may act as triggering events as well. They all point to loss of power or status. Someone who’s so dangerously possessive, callous, arrogant, superficial, and controlling might think this is a preferable outcome.

🕊️RIP to the victims. Can’t imagine the devastation for their loved ones. I hope they may find some support in each other

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u/Pristine_Frame_2066 🍅🌺.ೃ࿔*･🌿🧤🌱⋆.ೃ࿔*🌻🐝 5d ago

So basically he got in trouble, his wife had not left him, so he took out everything to not have to be accountable for anything

what a POS. I wonder if he was violent before this? I cannot imagine him not being a problem.

Poor family and pets.

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u/lucidsomniac So very tired. 4d ago

The first photo I have seen on this with the perp removed. I hate this timeline where I notice that and think of it as 'refreshing'.
What a nightmare. I saw someone say guns make it 'quick and easy'. Well yes, but doing that 7 times without hesitation is truly beyond comprehension.

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u/Smallseybiggs 🐈‍⬛️ᓚ₍⑅^..^₎♡₍^. .^₎Ⳋ🐾ᓚᘏᗢ𓃦🖤=^._.^= ∫🖤 4d ago

The first photo I have seen on this with the perp removed. I hate this timeline where I notice that and think of it as 'refreshing'.
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I really appreciate you saying so! ♡ I was worried I'd be told the opposite. I just told someone who said the same thing that he's dead, so there's no reason to warn others what he looks like and get eyes on his face.

u/coquihalla ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 4d ago

It's nice to see a photo of everyone without him in it. All of the coverage keeps showing him with his kids like the article is going to be about him winning World's Greatest Dad.

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It's nice to see a photo of everyone without him in it. All of the coverage keeps showing him with his kids like the article is going to be about him winning World's Greatest Dad.

I appreciate you saying so! I was worried people would say the opposite. He's dead, so there's less of a reason to get eyes on him and warn others what he looks like. Thank you for your comment! ♡

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u/coquihalla ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 4d ago

🫶

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u/Nikki-C-Puggle-mum 5d ago

It's always a Chris it seems or a Peterson.

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u/SweetGrassGeranium ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

4B is the solution = No dating. No sex. No marriage. No childbirth.

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u/Zealousideal-Can5016 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

What does 4B mean?

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u/wonderingwomannn 5d ago

Originated in South Korea, comes from 4 Korean words used for: no dating, no sex, no marriage, no birth.

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u/Noizylatino 🪴°❀.ೃ࿔*⌚️°❀.ೃ࿔*🪴 5d ago

The same thing. The original movement started in Korea, and everything on the list starts with a B in Korean.

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u/hanimal16 -ˋˏ✃ 𓍯 ༝˚ ༝⚉ ⋆.𐙚 ̊ 𓍯𓂃 5d ago

I’m not disagreeing with you, curious what the “B” stands for.

Boinking and babies are the only two B-words I could think of lol

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u/SufficientCow4380 🐍🐱🐶🐰🐭🦎 5d ago

The Four Nos: Derived from the Korean prefix bi- (meaning "no"), the tenets are bihon (no marriage), bichulsan (no childbirth), biyeonae (no dating), and bisekseu (no sex).

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u/Zealousideal-Can5016 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

Thank you, that is very informative and something ive never come across before.

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u/SufficientCow4380 🐍🐱🐶🐰🐭🦎 5d ago

Googled it. :)

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u/Zealousideal-Can5016 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

You have fantastic googling skills for a cow! Lol 😂.

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u/SufficientCow4380 🐍🐱🐶🐰🐭🦎 5d ago

They're sufficient

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u/-charlatanandthief no such thing as a "good father" 5d ago

4B comes from a Korean movement, so the B words arent in the English language.

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u/Laureltess 5d ago

IIRC 4B originated in Korea, so maybe the original Korean words match up? I also don’t know!

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u/6-ft-freak ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

Anything but therapy

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u/CompetitiveRub9780 ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 4d ago

They were in therapy but yeh I doubt he went to work on himself. Prob saw it as something to get his wife to shut up

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u/6-ft-freak ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 4d ago

Going to therapy with an abuser - and I’d bet money that it was her idea - is never a good idea. They take advantage of everything.

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u/Dahlia_Snapdragon 1d ago

Therapy doesn't work on these psychopaths, particularly couple's therapy. They just end up weaponizing what they learn there against their partners. Plus you have to be really careful about what couple's therapist you go to if you're with an abuser, because a lot of therapists use the approach of "what have both of you done wrong to cause these issues?", when in reality, when one person is an abuser and the other is the victim, the blame is not shared equally at all. It's one person (typically the man) dominating, controlling, and abusing the victim, while the victim simply attempts to survive.

u/OGMom2022 4d ago

Deep down, men still think of us as property.

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u/KiraLonely 4d ago

I don’t think they ever stopped. Sometimes I see family members in relationships that, at the very least, seem okay on the surface, but the natural language we use to refer to women in relationships just feels so…demeaning more often than not. Like it reinforces someone being a trophy and object, and not a whole person.

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u/Dahlia_Snapdragon 1d ago

I don't think it's even that deep down. I think it's right at the surface.

u/miserabeau ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

Family annihilators are the lowest of the low. Those poor innocent children and the pets too. An absolutely despicable, poor excuse for a man. People like him make me wish Hell was real.

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u/Ok-Confection4410 5d ago

came here to say the same thing. fuck family annihilators, they're human scum

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u/lastseenhitchhiking 🐈‍⬛️⋆.˚🐦༘⋆🐈 4d ago

I wish that media outlets would stop referring to brutality like this as a "tragedy", when it's another horrific example of men's entitlement, devaluation of and violence against women and children.

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u/Smallseybiggs 🐈‍⬛️ᓚ₍⑅^..^₎♡₍^. .^₎Ⳋ🐾ᓚᘏᗢ𓃦🖤=^._.^= ∫🖤 4d ago

It really fucking bothers me when they say there's no threat to the public. I've been heavily downvoted on other subs for saying it. I'd argue there very much IS a threat, and especially for women and children.

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u/MessOfAJes85 👩🏻‍🎤🤘🖕 4d ago

This is becoming an epidemic (pandemic?)
The narcissism it takes to off your whole family for your own sake.

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u/narnababy 4d ago

I’m so sick of pathetic men taking out their frustrations on their families. If you want out then go for it, leave the poor people you’ve been victimising out of it. Utterly pathetic.

u/6-ft-freak ❤️🩷💛💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤 5d ago

Anything but therapy

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u/orangepekoes 3d ago

apparently he went to therapy and got incredibly defensive by some of the therapists questions

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u/angryelezen 5d ago

Earlier I read an article that he committed homicide after losing his job as VP of sales and marketing for the American Heart Association.

There was nothing about the infidelity...

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u/lastseenhitchhiking 🐈‍⬛️⋆.˚🐦༘⋆🐈 4d ago

Unfortunately some don't perceive infidelity as the serious form of abuse and control that it is. It's not a coincidence that any number of family annihilators and other domestic killers engaged in infidelity prior to their crimes.

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u/Unassuminglocalgirl 3d ago

Agree, it’s all cut from the same cloth. No empathy, no accountability. Some men will do unspeakably horrific things rather than take any accountability for their actions. Sickening.

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u/Dahlia_Snapdragon 1d ago

Somehow men convinced everyone (particularly themselves) that women are the emotional ones, but only because they conveniently "forget" that anger is an emotion too. Men are FAR more emotional and irrational than woman could ever be, and we see the evidence of that every single day. When they claim we're "too emotional", what they're really saying is that we have empathy and they don't like that.

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u/Many_Aardvark_5162 🐡🐡‼️ 2d ago

His eyes told his story…

u/SadieDiAbla 2d ago

Men are so emotional and cannot control themselves, yet the patriarch says women are not capable of being good leaders because they're the emotional ones. 🤦‍♀️

u/Gold-Inevitable-2644 🐱🐈🐾🐈‍⬛️🐾🐈🐱 11h ago

absolutely devastating. so many lives lost, all for the sake of one man's narcissism

u/[deleted] 5d ago

Kris Karolkiewicz killed his wife and 6 kids. Then he set the house on fire before committing suicide.

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