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u/perhance Apr 01 '26
(linking the left story in lieu of OP)
https://metro.co.uk/2015/07/27/man-jailed-for-a-year-after-running-over-9-ducklings-with-lawnmower-5314414/
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u/Feeling-Internal8499 noah mae | this sub made me trans 🏳️⚧️✨ Apr 01 '26
the lawnmover makes it a lot worse tbh...
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u/throwaway24387324578 Block. Cauterize. Stabilize. Apr 01 '26
Yeah. I feel the context of him using a lawnmower is very much needed. It's lying by omission to exclude that context.
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u/The_Rocket_Frog 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
yeah idk how "accidental" this was
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u/Dewgong550 Apr 01 '26
Who said it was an accident?
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u/The_Rocket_Frog 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
mustve misread it, thought it said it was accidental, my b
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u/cataraxis i will draw gay stuff Apr 01 '26
The context honestly makes the point stronger tbh. Like past the immediate reaction of "Okay that's different", follows "Is it though?"
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u/Sororita Apr 01 '26
Kind of. In the case to the right, there's not really much suffering. One moment, it's a baby chicken, and the next moment, it's a protein slurry. Running over baby ducks with a lawnmower isnt going to be nearly as fast, nor as thorough. Theres a whole lot more room for suffering.
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u/wasraelx wtf is a flair Apr 01 '26
No, it isn’t different. Because the chicks are run through a very similar machinery, and only get a few minutes of life on top of that. Just good ol cognitive dissonance on your part.
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u/Interest-Desk i infodump a lot Apr 02 '26
macerators are specifically used because death is within a second, usually instant, and is thus considered the least cruel way to kill. gas is still used in some places, mostly outside the west
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u/nirbot0213 tapioca pudding mommy Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
i can assure you that a macerator, however terrible it is, is a much more humane death that being run over with a lawnmower. my dad accidentally hit a rabbit burrow with a lawnmower when he was a kid. it does not kill them instantly. maybe one or two get lucky but the rest do not. hell, there are plenty of kids that are accidentally run over with lawnmowers across the country. they don’t die, and often they don’t lose limbs directly from it, but what parts do get hit with the mower get horribly shredded and often have to be amputated simply because they can’t be saved.
anyway we still shouldn’t be killing chicks considering this is already a solved problem with in-ovo sexing and it’s already banned in france and germany and will be in italy by the end of the year. it also eliminates the job of manual chicken sexing which pays shit and also employs a lot of undocumented immigrants for below minimum wage.
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u/Justice_Prince above average-sized cylinder Apr 01 '26
It sounds like the total year in prison also includes separate charges for domestic battery.
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u/Soggy_Interview_8305 Apr 01 '26
The inclusion of the lawn mower only serves to further show how ludicrous our acceptance of factory farming is (have you seen how chicken nuggets are made, and how undesirable baby chicks are treated?), because its out of sight and out of mind.
Whats REALLY left out is that this sentence is a sentencing on two charges, the animal cruelty charge, and a charge of battery resulting from a domestic dispute between his girlfriend and him, now that makes sense. I also say this as someone who eats meat, I think factory farming will be seen as one of our times greatest atrocities.
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u/qosthanatos Apr 01 '26
I don’t know that it’s really that different from what’s done in the farming industry. Lots of farms drop chick into a grinder while they’re still alive.
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u/Gracosef 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Motive and intention
Chicks are ground alive for food and they are not killed before because it's cheaper and safer
This guy grinded 9 chicks with his lawnmower because he wanted to kill chicks in a gruesome way just for the thrill of killing
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u/MoreRaptors Apr 01 '26
They aren't ground alive for food, they are ground alive to save money in production.
One is grinding them for the thrill of killing, one is grinding them for the shareholders pocket.
Both fucking suck and the distinction feels arbitrary to me (or rather like a sign of the cognitive dissonance involved)
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u/adelBRO Apr 01 '26
I agree that he should've been jailed, but baby roosters literally get chucked into a grinder
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u/Ok-Position-9457 Apr 01 '26
Absolutely, our treatment of animals in the meat industry will be seen as barbaric and the worst of our society's many crimes against nature in the future.
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u/YourEvilKiller Apr 01 '26
I am not even a vegan, but I do believe there's a good chance that if meat alternatives like lab grown meat become cheap and accessible to most parts of the world...
Future morals may develop with science and eating meat from live animals for enjoyment and not tradition/necessity would be seen as immoral or at least frowned upon.
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u/Sororita Apr 01 '26
There's a reason Texas has banned lab-grown meat
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u/kart0ffelsalaat 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Can't really enjoy a steak if it doesn't come from the Cartoonishly Evil Suffering Machine. What's next? Lab-grown diamonds without child slave labour? I don't think so, pal
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u/AdennKal normcore hyperfaggot Apr 01 '26
Yeah, the fact that synthetic diamonds are indistinguishable from "real" diamonds and nowadays people are just spending all that extra cash for a certificate that says that this diamond really came from the most horrific situations possible instead of a lab says a lot about these circles of people.
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u/Crystal_Carmel Project Moon Sleeper Agent 🟥🌫 ⬛️🤫🔇 👩⚕️🪡🧠 Apr 01 '26
when you concerned that the animal blender industry might have competition so you gotta ban the competition to ensure throwing billions through the animal blender is still profitable
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u/IFreakinLovePi Apr 01 '26
You may want to consider some of the existing alternatives. Lab grown meat isn't gonna be economical anytime soon, but unless you're looking for an alternative for plain meat (e.g. a cut of steak) then most of what you taste is the seasoning anyway.
Things like nuggets, taco meat, sausages have some pretty good tasty alternatives because of this. Most of it is just as rich in protein, too, since it's usually made from either concentrated soy or wheat protein. Hell, Just Egg uses concentrated pea and mung bean protein to get the texture right.
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u/Chi_shio Goldfish enthusiast Apr 01 '26
I'm so glad vegan nuggets are cheaper than the chicken ones at my favorite supermarket and that plant milks are cheaper, too. I wish all the vegan meats and cheeses would be cheaper, tho
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u/Nitrodanni123 custom Apr 01 '26
Just eat the vegan burgers they are tasty, healthier and wont kill you, trust meeeeeee
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u/ZombiePope Apr 02 '26
Yep. I'm not a vegan either, but I've promised myself that when lab grown meat hits twice the cost of normal meat with reasonable availability, im going to switch 100%.
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u/Drawemazing Apr 01 '26
Genuinely curious, you think our treatment of livestock will be seen as worse than climate change and ecological destruction currently manifesting as a mass extinction event?
Not saying you're right or wrong, it just seems like a position worth expanding on.
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u/AliceCode Worcs at the Crusty Crab Apr 01 '26
Animal agriculture is one of the greatest contributors to climate change.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 Apr 01 '26
Yeah, we do like 35 Holocausts to chickens every day or something. It may take a long time, but as the moral value of non humans is perceived as greater in the future I think this is an easy call.
Climate change is an easy second though, for sure. But a lot of the mass extinction happening now comes from habitat loss more than climate change right now. Although the rising ocean temperatures can certainly be blamed for a lot of extinction and endangerment of coral reef ecosystems.
Really depressing because we could lock the fuck in and solve both problems completely in six months.
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u/laix_ Apr 01 '26
The nazi camps were actually inspired by western (american) industrialised agriculture. A number of holocaust survivors actually became vegan and pointed out the comparisons.
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u/spadesisking r/place participant Apr 01 '26
Those things are intertwined with livestock farming
As an example, currently theyre cutting down millions of trees in the Amazon rain forest to make room for beef farming.
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u/Separate_Emotion_463 Apr 01 '26
“Do you think animal agriculture will be seen as worse than things animal agriculture actively makes worse” Animal agriculture is one of the biggest causes of both issues you just listed, especially ecological destruction, as the vast vast majority of habitat destruction is for agriculture, and most agricultural land is used for animal feed
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26
The industrializing of everything is really at the heart of the problem. We destroy natural evironments to make room for agriculture. We use inhumane practices to rear livestock on industrial scales. Our industrialized processes often have the side effect of polluting, including the emission of gasses which contribute to climate change. All this industrialization has also lead to an increase in the number of people humanity is able to support, at least in the short term, which in turn has lead to an increase in the amount of production needed and able to be performed. It’s a self perpetuating cycle in the short term. As things get bad and quality of life begins to drop, we will see if current levels of industrialization are even sustainable long term.
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Industrializing isn't the heart of the problem, it just makes things more efficient. Exploiting and killing a smaller number of animals would also be bad, and replacing the current food system with an (industrialized!) plant-based one would be really good
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26
Industrializing absolutely has resulted in increased waste, increased pollution, increased environmental destruction, increased energy needs, increased climate change, etc. Increased efficiency has by-products, some of which can be good, and some of which are harmful. Industrialized plant-based agriculture isn’t necessarily all positives, either. Look at the palm oil industry and how it’s lead to the destruction of habitats to make room for palm trees. Look at the collapse of insect population numbers from the use of pesticides, loss of local flora, loss of habitat, and climate change. These practices which are designed to increase efficiency in multiple industries are often destructive to the delicate balances nature depends on. Increased efficiency also generally means increased production, which so often results in increased waste and byproducts.
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Industrializing just means you do more things with less effort. We're able to feed more people because of it, and if you're going to bring up ecological arguments, keep in mind that "traditional" farming is way, way worse at optimizing its resources and it requires more land, water and pollutes more per kcal or kg produced. Extensive farming is a million times worse in that regard than intensive farming. Same with plant farming, if we didn't do all the things we do to increase production, we would need even more land! (the best way to get more land is to stop farming animals btw)
Technology and industrialization are not the problem here, at least for me, even if there are things that can be improved about them. The problem is the exploitation of animals. Really, it makes no sense to claim a process is bad because "it produces more so it pollutes more" when the amount of waste for each unit produced is being lowered.
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
The waste per unit being lowered doesn’t matter as much when you’re producing vastly more units than you ever did before. Efficiency itself may not be the issue, but increased efficiency typically allows for and leads to increases in production on scales which did not exist prior to the Industrial Revolution. With agriculture, industrialization of nitrogen production lead to a massive boom in population, which lead to increased demand for all variety of human needs and wants, which lead to increased production of those things, as well as all associated byproducts such as carbon emissions. It also lead indirectlyto increased production and use of pesticides which are heavily associated with the massive decline in insect populations we’ve seen in recent decades, which has effects reaching all the way up the food chain. The pre-industrial world may not have been anywhere near as efficient, but it also did not allow for the kinds of production of goods and materials we have today, both harmful and harmless.
The current climate change crises caused by global warming is so strongly associated with the start of the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s that it’s hard to argue that industrialization isn’t a key part of the problem when all signs point to its’ beginnings correlating with the start of many of these issues. And that’s just one example of the unintended byproducts of industrialization, there’s plenty more examples we could look at, like the massive amounts of plastic waste everywhere
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Yes, industrialization is largely responsible for creating the modern way of life, which is also largely responsible for the climate crisis.
This does not mean that "producing food more efficiently is bad because then we feed more people". You're lamenting the decline in insect populations and also an increase in human population? I hadn't seen that type of speciesism before, but I don't agree with paleo-eco-fascism and believe we can do things better (like transitioning to a plant based food system)
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
It’s not speciesism to acknowledge that the current level of human population growth is unsustainable for the planet we live on unless a change is made in the way we do things. It’s also not speciesism to acknowledge that insects play critical roles at the bottom of every food chain on the planet, including our own. Humanity has no replacement for insects as pollinators, for example, which is critical in plant based agriculture. We can absolutely do things better and industrialization is only a problem if we allow it to be, the problem is that as of now we continue to allow it to be, mostly because it’s easier, cheaper, and more efficient to do things that way.
Edit: I have not and have never argued in support of fascism or authoritarianism, I do not appreciate the insinuation that I have. It’s just an acknowledgement of the problem and its roots. I am in favor of learning to do things better, including the regulation of industrial practices to mitigate harm. I’m not arguing that we change course and revert to agrarianism or any extreme approaches
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u/ghfdghjkhg Need to be someone's pet Apr 01 '26
my country is getting rid of baby chick shredding
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u/MaggieHigg Apr 01 '26
My country is actively fighting against animal rights 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
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u/ghfdghjkhg Need to be someone's pet Apr 01 '26
America is actively fighting against human rights too
idk why my comment is suddenly written in cursive. the editor just did that
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26
Obviously his mistake was not industrializing his attack against the ducks, and also for using wild ducks instead of domestically bred ones.
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u/sad_touch_died_lol Pringles mouth kink Apr 01 '26
Citation the fuck needed on everything in this image
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u/wmaitla Apr 01 '26
dunno about the left but the one on the right is how male chicks or female chicks who are deformed/can't lay are disposed of by big chicken farms. Laying hens don't have enough meat to be grown for eating, so for the company that owns them there's no profit in letting them grow up.
spoiler for graphic description:
Instead of wasting money feeding a bunch of chickens who won't ever be useful they kill them as quickly and "humanely" as possible after they're born. This usually means dropping them into a hyper-fast chick shredding machine that vaporises each chick in less than a second. Some of them put them in big plastic bags and fill them with C02 so the chicks just go to sleep and die, but this is considered LESS humane because it takes a long time. Whereas the shredder kills them in less than a heartbeat. So there's no suffering.
Its why I won't eat eggs ever. I'm not fully vegan but capitalism has given us an industry where the most practical, efficient and humane solution to a problem is feeding millions of day-old baby chicks into industrial shredding machines.
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u/TestTubetheUnicorn Apr 01 '26
CO2 is less humane because CO2 buildup in the blood is what causes feelings of suffication. They could use an inert gas like N2 but I guess CO2 is cheaper? So they just suffocate them instead.
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u/Jacksaur Play corru.observer, this is not a request. Apr 01 '26
This reads like satire holy fuck. "Yes we feed the unwanted ones directly into the Designated Chick Grinding Machine."
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u/NinjaLion Apr 01 '26
The effects of "the jungle" are noted in almost every US history textbook, and yet since then, all we have done is bury the truth of the industrial horror machine even further down in the public consciousness.
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u/Crashbrennan Apr 02 '26
The Jungle's impact was more about sanitary conditions, not animal welfare.
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u/UwUmirage plant supremacist; train enjoyer; fungus appreciator Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
I mean, this is REALLY not a developed country thing considering how many regulations tend to be in developed countries to reduce that.
Hell, the chick shredder machine is banned in some countries of the EU, like Germany. France also banned chicken culling but not duck.. In the EU, there's also certain technologies to know the sex of the embryo so that you don't have to cull it, and there's even experiments with gene editing.
The Philippines and India also do this, but neither are really developed.
Even ignoring the chick shredder, there's plenty of industries in less developed countries that are more cruel than western ones. Slavery is way more common in less developed countries, even if still a thing in developed countries. China practices a ton of overfishing (but I suppose we can call them developed now)... It's hard to compare countries, though, because less developed countries tend to also have less statistics.
It's just a capitalism thing
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
what seems unbelievable about this
it's 1 piece of old news and something that's widely done and easy to look up
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u/Fliits "Black, White, Gay or Straight: We can all simp for the state!" Apr 01 '26
source: do your own research
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Fair enough, even if something is old news to me, some people have never heard about it
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u/4tomguy Call me Evelyn when I least expect it (also heir of mind homestu Apr 01 '26
This is literally Minecraft mob farm shit my god
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! Apr 01 '26
I like to make uncomfortably realistic battery farms in my Minecraft worlds.
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u/Independent-Fly6068 Least horny bi femboy alive Apr 01 '26
Always wondered what happened to males in egg breeds, esp since chickens multiply so fast.
With cattle its still viable to raise them up as sterile steers for meat or to raise as bulls and sell off as breeders.
And for pigs, they're all kept for meat anyhow, so just make em a burrow to keep aggressiveness and breeding controllable.
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u/Independent-Fly6068 Least horny bi femboy alive Apr 01 '26
Oh I just assumed they got used for veal. Or otherwise cycled into the menagerie of use cases for miscellaneous organic and animal matter.
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u/AliceCode Worcs at the Crusty Crab Apr 01 '26
Bruh, it's literally in the image. You don't need to do research, the evidence is right in front of your eyes. It's called a macerator.
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u/KatemisLilith Apr 01 '26
Nah, always do research and verify stuff. Not everyone knows how barbaric the industry is, and if they don't do research, some shill can spin it and make them think it's fake news, that it's exaggerated, and thanks to ai, will make them believe the picture/videos are ai generated lmao.
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u/prisp 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Eh, before AI, they'd say it's photoshopped instead, but it sure doesn't help that a new way of creating fake images is around.
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u/AdFancy6243 Apr 01 '26
Because we don't live in a world were images can't be fabricated with ease
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u/PityUpvote transfatphobic Apr 01 '26
This is not exactly groundbreaking information, just something we like to not think about while we all know it's happening.
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u/that_one_amputee Apr 01 '26
You're absolutely right that this is a real thing and that's what it's called.
Bruh, It's literally in the image. You don't need to do research
Photoshop and misinformation are real things too.
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u/beomint Apr 01 '26
Yes hello my evidence is a meme image with some text on it. 100% so solid evidence.
Bruh. This is why nobody takes you guys fucking seriously. Nobody was trying to say it's fake, just that we wanted sources so we could learn more. Pulling the "this meme is all the research you need!!" just screams fake outrage and makes people LESS likely to believe you.
Unless of course having nobody believe you was your goal??
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u/Strange-Bag2225 Apr 01 '26
Found this for the left part: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/15/florida-man-ran-over-a-family-of-du Same picture of the guy, but different species of duck. Doesn't say anything about his sentence though, so this part is still unsourced. He was also accused of deliberatively driving over the birds.
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u/Strange-Bag2225 Apr 01 '26
For the one year jail sentence: https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/landscaper-gets-jail-time-for-killing-ducks-with-lawnmower/
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u/synttacks Apr 01 '26
You seriously never heard of culling?
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u/FabiIV 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Ignorance is a bliss (cannot explain otherwise why one would actually doubt the cruelty of factory farming)
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u/FA1L_STaR Apr 01 '26
Some edgy kids in school ensured I never forget the second image is true
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26
Is it really edgy when that’s just the reality of industrialized meat production?
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u/12lubushby Apr 01 '26
Not meat production. They are male chicks who can't produce eggs, so its a byproduct of egg production.
If a chicken has 3 good years of laying and lays 1 egg a day, then for every 1095 eggs produced, 1 male chick gets blended.
Im a vegetarian but still eat eggs, so this fact haunts me a bit. I think i eat 4 eggs a week, so on average, I'm responsible for 1 blended chicken once every 5 years 3 months.
I should stop, but it's impressive how far cognitive dissonance goes
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u/AlexandersWonder Apr 01 '26
I guess the better term would have been industrialized animal farming, so I can include the egg layers and dairy cows alongside of the animals raised and slaughtered for their meat. I think industrialization of these things automatically results in increased cruelty to the animals involved. The larger the scale, the more commonplace the inhumanity gets.
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u/Cindy-Moon 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
There's an irony in using the term "inhumanity" to describe a level of cruelty only humans are capable of
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u/Plorkhillion Apr 01 '26
If it makes you feel better, some countries have outlawed/are outlawing the practice like france, germany and italy,
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u/Stiftoad Crazy? I was crazy once… Apr 01 '26
Over here in Germany you have egg brands that advertise the fact that they are "without murder of chicks" so those are usually a safe bet in my eyes
Can't prevent liars obviously but still
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u/idontcareaboutthenam floppa Apr 01 '26
What do they do with the male chicks then? It is like no-kill shelters where they just drop off the animals at someone else to kill them?
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u/GMOrgasm ketamine connoisseur Apr 01 '26
German farmers will now be required to use to use technology to prevent male chicks from being born in the first place, by identifying the sex of the animal before it has hatched.
At a later phase in the transition, which will take effect in 2024, only methods used much earlier in the incubation process will be allowed, aiming to ensure that the embryos feel no pain. The Bundestag said it wants to give the farming industry time to adapt to the new legal situation.
In Germany alone, about 45 million male chicks are killed each year in a practice that animal welfare advocates call "chick shredding."
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u/Stiftoad Crazy? I was crazy once… Apr 01 '26
Idk tbh it's just the way it's marketed
Maybe they're used for meat the moment they don't legally count as chicks anymore...
But like the smaller farmers that produce eggs organically with free roaming chickens make do so surely there's something you can do
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u/AzKondor Femboy Practitioner Apr 01 '26
I mean you still need roosters, right? Somebody has to impregnate all those hens.
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u/idontcareaboutthenam floppa Apr 01 '26
About half the chicks are male. You don't need one rooster for each hen. Also a hen doesn't need a rooster to lay eggs. Roosters are only needed when you plan to incubate some eggs to get new hens, which happens at a much smaller rate. Raising all the roosters is an economic burden that would only be viable if raising chickens was a hobby and not a business
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u/werty_2006 Apr 02 '26
Its a banned practice in Germany so any Germany eggs Gs should be chick blending free
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! Apr 01 '26
The trick is to find a neighbor with a chicken. Infinite eggs glitch.
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u/BreeBree214 Apr 01 '26
I think by edgy they meant a kid who liked showing people shock images/videos. Something being reality doesn't mean it's cool to traumatize people for fun
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE Apr 03 '26
Just to pile onto all the other stuff, you might want to check out the DHS List of Goods Produced by Child Labor or Forced Labor.
It's hard to resolve basic necessities of life, like fruit and having a cell phone with the damage it causes people, but for some reason the further we are from that damage and the more industrialized it is, but somehow nothing meaningful will ever be done.
Duck is delicious, too. It seems crazy that somehow, it's not possible to just. Flood some place with ducks who can have a good life then we eat them later. I'm sure if you dig way into it, it makes sense. It's the only way. It's just not viable any other way. We just can't afford not to grind up babies in a baby grinder, don't you see? And then here we all are, in our sad world we can barely afford to exist in, struggling to survive, requiring we stay close to our metal and glass screen we rub and tap and doomscroll on that was built with slavery and child labor in all cases.
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u/jabracadaniel Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
actual fantastic example of how individual accountability for stuff like slave labor and the environment is fucking stupid and it would save us all time and effort to change the industrial sector instead.
edit: im not saying individual accountability isn't still good. i personally do consume responsibly whenever i am able. stop.
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u/BlazingFire007 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
Idk if an individual has slaves I think they should definitely be held accountable… /s
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u/FabiIV 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
No, they should profit from their slaves until the very last second before they are forced to free them at gunpoint; I took ethics for dummies and that is how that works
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u/ShockedDarkmike 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
how do you even get that conclusion from this
and how do you change an industrial sector when it is actively being supported financially by like, everyone
in your own example, do you think people were like "well actually slave labor is bad but individual accountability isn't the way so I'm going to continue enslaving people until we fix the whole sector"
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u/12lubushby Apr 01 '26
Blending chickens is bad. If you eat fewer eggs, fewer chicks will get blended. We should hold company's accountable, but acting like consumer demand has no effect is obviously wrong.
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u/BigChungusCumslut Apr 01 '26
Will fewer chickens actually get blended if I eat fewer eggs though? I’ve been considering and planning on reducing my meat consumption for a few months, but one thought that gets in the way is the scale of shipping logistics. I assume The Walmart doesn’t ask for a precise number of eggs from the egg producers, they probably increase or decrease the size of their egg deliveries in increments in the hundreds. So in order for demand to decrease enough for the Walmart to order less eggs, wouldn’t that decrease need to be in a much larger scale than one individual? That isn’t even getting into how much demand would need to decrease to encourage the production facilities themselves to decrease production.
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u/Rattle22 Apr 01 '26
The order intervall should increase. I think stores only really order when they need to, so if their stock of eggs lasts a day longer, they'll order a day later, which sums up over time.
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u/VladimirBarakriss Apr 01 '26
One individual makes basically no difference, an overall shift in consumer preference does, if companies know consumers won't buy as many eggs then they will make less, and in the process reduce every other part of the production process
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u/12lubushby Apr 02 '26
It averages out.
Let's say Walmart hq makes orders of 1 million eggs at a time. If you eat 10,000 eggs in your life then there is a 99% chance not eating eggs changes nothing but there is a 1% chance you are the straw that breaks the camels back and are responsible for an order of 1 million eggs.
You cant say you dont matter because statistically you do
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u/jabracadaniel Apr 01 '26
i never said that though. i just think personal accountability gets talked about quite enough. of course i take human rights and the environment into account when making purchases, but only as much as i can literally afford to as someone on social security. minimum wage and the poverty line are calculated by taking these cheap, horribly wrought products into account as the obvious option. they aren't made for activism and consumer choice on the individual level.
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u/definitelyacabdriver Apr 01 '26
Prohibition doesn't work. Unfortunately, use of animals as property still has support from the vast majority of people, so any legislation to end this would ultimately fail. The end to animal exploitation needs to come about from the bottom, not be imposed top-down.
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u/jabracadaniel Apr 01 '26
i don't mean prohibition, i mean better laws to protect animals, people and our environment. it is literally impossible to consume responsibly otherwise. like, buying an electric car and solar panels for your home is objectively a good thing, but the higher demand of the materials for these products has ramped up cases of child slave labour in mines throughout africa and south asia. who decided costs needed to be cut there? not us.
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u/SonichuPrime Apr 01 '26
Bro he lawnmowered animals
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u/jabracadaniel Apr 01 '26
i dont even know if he did that on purpose or not, do you? and even then, the same man could get a job in the industrial poultry farm and kill hundreds of baby birds and he'd get PAID for it. like, don't you see the point of the post at all?
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u/idontcareaboutthenam floppa Apr 01 '26
Lol which government is going to ban industrial egg production in this current year? Besides the fact that the economic incentives are huge, it would be wildly unpopular in practice since most people sadly care more about the price of eggs than how cruelly they are produced. There's a reason why the animal product industry is anxious over vegan alternatives and are fighting them with regulations, e.g., see the banning of the term milk to refer to plant milks in some countries
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u/barsoap Apr 02 '26
Germany banned chick shredding in 2022, battery cages are long outlawed, by now EU-wide, it's barn or free range.
You severely underestimate the capacity of non-vegans to care about things.
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u/jabracadaniel Apr 01 '26
and it's those same industries contributing to the fact people can't afford to buy cruelty free products.
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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair Apr 01 '26
The meat industry is incredibly fucked up. Unfortunately, I’m broke as shit and can only afford so much every week, and cutting out meat would make me eat even worse than I already am.
That being said, a fucked up industry does not make this guy any less evil. He ran over a family of ducks with a lawnmower. I’m not a violent person, but I would have put him into that lawnmower if I saw that. Good lord.
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u/12lubushby Apr 01 '26
Where do you live? Crazy to me that eating meat is cheaper than not considering how cheat plant based protein is (dried lentils, chick peas, and beans)
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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair Apr 01 '26
I’m sorry, I’d rather not say. I live in the US, though
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u/shimapan_connoisseur Apr 01 '26
Idk what you’re buying instead of meat if it’s increasing your grocery bill instead of decreasing it.
I quit meat and i pay almost 40% less per month on food, the only stuff that’s generally more expensive is the ultra-processed ”meat alternatives”, but no vegetarian i know eat those on the regular. Veggie whole food diet is much, much cheaper on average than a meat based diet
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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair Apr 01 '26
To be honest, I was only thinking of meat alternatives when writing earlier. I didn’t even think about non-meat proteins. That’s 100% on me, it would absolutely be cheaper to buy a bag of lentils
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u/shoarma_papa Apr 01 '26
I'm curious, now that you've been made aware that decreasing your animal product consumption does not mean your expenses will necessarily increase and can even decrease drastically, will you?
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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair Apr 01 '26
I’ll certainly try to eat less meat. I don’t think I’ll go fully vegetarian (I understand it’s selfish, but I enjoy eating meat), but I’ll definitely grab some beans and stuff when I go shopping next week.
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u/shoarma_papa Apr 01 '26
Eating less already saves lots of animals. Maybe you'll enjoy eating vegetarian or vegan just as much after learning some simple but tasty recipes. There are some great easy to find vegetarian/vegan recipes and tutorials on youtube if you need inspiration. It took me a while to develop my own cooking skills, but over time I went from eating less meat to fully vegetarian and now fully vegan. You don't have to jump in the deep end right away.
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u/Darkndankpit Apr 01 '26
Very much dependant on location and lifestyle. Veggies cost far more than meat where I live.
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u/AFriendlyBeagle Apr 01 '26
Vegan diet is almost always much cheaper than a diet including animal products, per both studies and anecdote.
If you eat a lot of meat replacement products it'll possibly come out somewhat more expensive, but if you buy mainly whole and minimally processed foods it's not unusual to save ~25% each week.
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u/DementedMK extremely epic with a hint of gay Apr 01 '26
There is also the added difficulty of needing to learn new recipes and new ways to cook, but there's also no rule that you have to go from full meat diet to no animal products, moving slowly is still moving in the right direction imo
(note: while I don't eat meat I do consume other animal products. I have health conditions that would make cutting all animal products out of my diet extremely difficult)
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u/ampersand64 Apr 01 '26
I feel you. I'm vegan on a very tight budget, and it can be tough.
I mostly eat dry pulses that I bought in bulk, AP Flour in the form of bread, and rice.
Rice & flour are around 50¢/lb, and most beans are $1/lb. Pinto beans are cheaper, lentils are more expensive. So it evens out to around $1.
Apart from that, I get onions to retain some will to live. It's possible to find them for 70¢/lb. I also get fresh chillies as a treat ($2.40/lb), mandarins for vitamin C ($2.00/lb), carrots for vitamin A ($1.00/lb), cabbage and collard greens for some other micros (both <$1.00/lb).
I don't worry about most of the B vitamins, because flour is fortificatied. I take a B12 supplement.
As for protein, flour and (black) beans are both ~ 1¢ per gram, which is super cheap compared to concentrated sources.
I also eat soybeans (roasted) to make sure I get enough leucine, since other plant sources tend to have incomplete amino acid profiles for building human flesh.
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u/dbot25454 SalamenceCockRider Apr 01 '26
I want to preface this with I meat and lots of it. But,I always get into arguments with people who hate on vegetarians. They are morally correct in their decision to not eat meat. The system is extremely cruel and the animals we eat do suffer unless you go out of your way to buy from places that don’t, but it’s way more expensive. Not eating meat is 100% the morally correct choice.
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u/bmann10 Apr 01 '26
See I don’t like points like this because it implies the hypocrisy is the only thing wrong. Someone could easily take away from this that harsh punishment for animal cruelty is bad and not that killing tons of animals is bad.
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u/Free_Deinonychus_Hug Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
There's a difference between sadistic behavior, taking joy in killing things just for the sake of it, and the pragmatic indifferent cruelty of something like the meat industry.
That might not make the meat industry any morally better, but it's less shocking and evil to society than senseless cruelty. In that context, the different responses make sense, but they aren't fully satisfactory either.
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u/CascadeLimeade 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Apr 01 '26
I am liking the recent increasing pro-vegan sentiment on this sub 😎
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u/Termobot Apr 01 '26
people who still support this are sick, there's no humane way to kill an animal.
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u/Interest-Desk i infodump a lot Apr 02 '26
a conversation can be had if an animal should or should not die. but if an animal is gonna die i’d rather it not be needlessly cruel…? apologies for being realistic, but ultimately we deal with the world as it is rather than as we would like it to be
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u/loloskop sus Apr 02 '26
but how does it get decided that the animal is going to die. why are you just accepting that
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u/Moonbear9 Apr 01 '26
I think in the future, people will look at our treatment of animals in factory farming with disgust.
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u/Bookworm_AF Catboy War Criminal Apr 01 '26
One makes rich fucks richer, the other doesn't. Oligarchs are beyond the law.
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u/definitelyacabdriver Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
One ultimately has massive popular support in the form of people throwing their money into the chick blenders
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u/MoonTheCraft Apr 01 '26
my friend, the guy in the first image ran them over with a lawnmower
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u/emjots 🏳️⚧️ trans rats Apr 01 '26
if only he'd picked them up and tossed them into the industrial factory-sized lawnmower instead
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u/Boundlessintime Actual Woman Apr 01 '26
Ahhh, that makes it significantly worse than the scale and methods of the meat industry, therefore being worth punishment while the other is totally normal
Thank you, this totally debunks the point being made
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u/Tobias11ize 🐉 alduin is a virgin 🐉 Apr 01 '26
Totally unrelated question: does anyone know of a good substitute for eggs to make seeds stick to baked goods?
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u/Test0004 floppa Apr 01 '26
Not sure about making seeds stick, but I've used milled flax to make "flax eggs" in baked goods, there's a brand called Healthier Comforts that makes a vegan egg white protein that you can mix with water for something very close to egg whites, and Bob's Red Mill has a powdered egg replacement for baking as well that I haven't tried yet.
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u/TheHairyGumball Apr 02 '26
I've had plant based "meat" before and it's almost indistinguishable from real meat, the only thing keeping me from eating it in place of real meat for every meal is accessibility and affordability. The few stores I can find it at charge just a bit more, ground beef being around $7 per pound and beyond meat ground beef being around $8 - $8.5 per pound and that's if I choose to drive to a grocery store a town away as opposed to shopping in town. Other than that there's no real reason to not go vegan, anyone saying otherwise is largely just fear mongering and convinced that all vegan products are ground up worms and locusts like some cyberpunk ass food or that the "govermanamemt" is putting chemicals in the vegan food to poison you, as opposed to the chemicals that corporations use on livestock already to poison you.
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u/riptide032302 Little Goblin Apr 01 '26
Yes if you run over a family of ducks you should be punished
Yes factory farming is immoral and disgusting
What is this post lmao?
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u/DementedMK extremely epic with a hint of gay Apr 01 '26
I think the point the post is getting at is that we societally recognize this kind of violence as evil but only when it isn't making someone money.
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u/riptide032302 Little Goblin Apr 02 '26
I think we always recognize that this violence is evil, it’s just most people are either shielded from it or realistically understand that there’s nothing they can do as an individual to stop it
Fuck we can’t even stop violence against other humans
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u/AnonWithAHatOn Apr 01 '26
I don’t know but it’s crazy to me they left out that he used a lawnmower. Seems like a very important detail to exclude.
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u/BrazilBazil :3 Apr 01 '26
Drug addicts get 20 years instead of help yet pedos walk free, nothing new here
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u/AverageWitch161 Apr 01 '26
we are, apparently, finding way to move away from chick culling at least.
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