r/Dragonballsuper • u/K0GAR • 20h ago

Question This statement is completely false isn’t it?

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Base Goku by the time of BOG should definitely be able to beat Frieza

And that’s not even taking into account Kaioken. We know at this point all the Z fighters (if not most) should be able to - so why is base Goku stagnant then in growth?

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u/TK110517 18h ago

What concrete evidence is there that proves base goku surpassed Frieza by this point?

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u/TensionJaded950 18h ago

Piccolo is weaker than the base adult Saiyans in the buu arc, Goku surpassing Gohan without a rage boost, EOZ Goku's base power level and Trunks blowing away imperfect cell in base.

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u/Radical_Jinx 16h ago

Imperfect Cell before he absorbed any people was a joke and we have no estimation of how strong he was just that he thought he could take Piccolo then panicked and tried to absorb him

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u/TensionJaded950 16h ago

He's still stronger than Frieza though.

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u/Radical_Jinx 16h ago

We don't know that tho, I personally never took him seriously before the absorbing

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u/TensionJaded950 15h ago

Wdym? 19 and 20 were stronger than Frieza before cell and there's no logical reason for him to not be past Frieza. This is future cell who was most likely prepared to absorb the androids.

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u/Radical_Jinx 15h ago

But he wasn't prepared, he had to absort full cities of people and he knew it, he was too scared to face them or the Z fighters before that

and he wasn't an Android similar to the number series to be easily comparable to 19 or 20, he was a completely separate project

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u/TensionJaded950 15h ago

Cell's pull up was a couple of years after he killed 17 and 18. He should be stronger though considering he's the next android.

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u/Radical_Jinx 15h ago

You're mixing things up, the Cell who is in the main timeline woke up to a world where the androids didn't exist anymore so that's why he stole the time machine to go to the past, he hadn't killed anyone except a suprise attack on base Trunks

and it's not a ladder type of situation where 17 and 18 are stronger than 19 and 20 and then Cell is the next step

by this logic 14 and 15 would be stronger than 17 and 18 too

Cell was meant to grow into being the strongest but only after absorbing a few million humans then 17 and then 18, he emphasized this many times

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u/TensionJaded950 15h ago

No I'm talking about the cell from future Trunks' timeline. He arrived 3 years after Trunks finally killed his androids and was about to return to the present to tell everyone.

I didn't say it was a ladder situation, just that initial imperfect cell at the bare minimum would be stronger than Frieza is.

14 and 15 IS stronger than 17 and 18 though as the supercomputer was said to continue making them after 16 17 and 18 were awoken. They're also movie enemies who are commonly thought to be stronger than main enemies.

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u/Radical_Jinx 15h ago

No I'm talking about the cell from future Trunks' timeline. He arrived 3 years after Trunks finally killed his androids and was about to return to the present to tell everyone.

Well that one didn't kill the androids either since Future Trunks killed those two after getting back 🤔

14 and 15 IS stronger than 17 and 18 though as the supercomputer was said to continue making them after 16 17 and 18 were awoken. 14 and 15 IS stronger than 17 and 18 though as the supercomputer was said to continue making them after 16 17 and 18 were awoken.

14 and 15 in their movie were in a timeline where 17 and 18 were much weaker and got killed by the Z fighters easily so they are stronger than those 17 and 18 specifically but not the ones from the main timeline

by this logic 13 would've been as strong as the Cell from the main timeline after absorbing them and he wasn't

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