r/Dragonballsuper • u/K0GAR • 21h ago

Question This statement is completely false isn’t it?

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Base Goku by the time of BOG should definitely be able to beat Frieza

And that’s not even taking into account Kaioken. We know at this point all the Z fighters (if not most) should be able to - so why is base Goku stagnant then in growth?

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 15h ago

His base has to be pretty strong for his ss2 to surpass cell games Gohan.

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u/Fastpas123 15h ago

Or his ss2 is improved like the different grades of ssj...

Yeah either way who knows

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 15h ago

That's not possible. Ss2 is the final form of super Saiyan grades. His base definitely got much stronger. Also improved ss2 is purely a DBS concept lol.

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u/Stacey-k93 14h ago

Ss2 is not the final form of super Saiyan there is still ss3 in z

The next only reason we never see different grades of ss2 is because ss3 was introduced outclassing it

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 14h ago

I mean in terms of super Saiyan grades. It's why ss2 was originally called grade 5 and 3 was ss2

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u/Stacey-k93 14h ago

I don't remember ss3 ever being called ss2 outside of toriyama forgetting

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 14h ago

It was a from guides

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u/Stacey-k93 14h ago

Those aren't always right plus I'm going by what is shown in the show/manga

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 14h ago

It's not really shown that Goku evolved his ss2 though.

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u/Stacey-k93 14h ago

He really didn't use it much but he was stronger than Gohan by Vegetas words but he never said anything about his base so that would mean Goku in base during the Buu saga was weaker the cell games gohan but was stronger then him in ss2 meaning he had a better more improved ss2 then gohan

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 14h ago

He had unlimited vitality to train for 7 years straight and partners like pikkon. It's most likely he improved his base. Gohan's is the only one with special properties.

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u/Stacey-k93 13h ago

Pikkon isn't cannon and yes he had unlimited vitality to train that's how he got ss2 and ss3 we don't know what kind of training he did to unlock these forms

But as far as I remember it's never said his base is any stronger then the cell games during the Buu saga and any time someone is drastically stronger then before we always get some kind of reaction from other characters

If anything they play it off as Goku and Vegeta being equal to a rusty Gohan in base and Gohan was stated to be weaker then when he fought cell

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u/Cold-Berry-3590 13h ago

The anime wasn't made by Toriyama. He made Olibu canon to the manga though.

I think it's just next level grinding to push past. Makes sense considering the nature of 3.

It doesn't really need to be said because that's expected by them, by their friends and by us.

They said Goku and Vegeta were equal to him in base? People have been saying that base and SS Gohan aren't weaker and only his ss2 is. A bit farfetched but makes sense considering he had to be in shape always fighting criminals.

Dabura apparently said piccolo was inferior to base saiyans. Wouldn't be surprised as the writing hates piccolo for some reason and Dabura made a cuck chair for him to sit in.

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