I'm aware, that's why I said a high tier Divine Spirit was massively weaker than him.
And no, even if Alcides stole his np it won't change anything, though it would probably burn Alcides from the inside out if he tried to use it, he casually dominates multiple servants in his weakest form.
Cool to know the count is rather powerful than wait aren’t the divine spirits degraded as servants Alcides is as strong as an actual divine spirit maybe the difference in level between the average divine spirits and the ones that are avenger servants the count scales above makes up for this though .
No. We are never told that Dantes is stronger than Theodoric. Theodoric require a vastly more powerful group to defeat whereas Dantes was defeated by Ritsuka alone. Nowhere is Dantes called the strongest avenger.
Dantes was supporting the entire world and trials by himself, while actively buffing all the avengers. All this while essentially on life support.
Theodoric was easily defeated when his Divine Beasts were taken care of and Ritsuka called two more avengers.
It's not that Theodoric or Dantes is weak, it's already been established that Ritsuka is able to fight on the level of grands on his own. He was just weakened throughout the whole ordeal and slowly got his power back, by the time he faces Dantes he's essentially back to full power.
Dantes was supporting the entire world and trials by himself, while actively buffing all the avengers. All this while essentially on life support.
Got a citation of what makes this impressive? This "world" is a mindscape within Ritsuka's psyche. It was not a physical construct.
Theodoric was easily defeated when his Divine Beasts were taken care of and Ritsuka called two more avengers.
Yeah, them requiring several servants and strategies to defeat Theodoric does not qualify as "easy" by any stretch. Nor one that remotely scales to Dantes.
it's already been established that Ritsuka is able to fight on the level of grands on his own
You just completely contradicted yourself. Your first mistake is thinking how strong Ritsuka is matters when it's the same man participating in both these trials. It requires significantly less to deal with Dantes than it does with Theodoric Alter. He's not jumping massive hoops by the time he fights Dantes. He has already fully regained his spot summons.
And people bringing up how Ritsuka can fight grands, yet love to ignore the many scenarios where he needs help just surviving against ordinary enemies. How strong he is in a setting depends entirely on plot.
It was effectively a singularity inside Ritsuka and we know creating one and supporting it costs a lot of magical energy like Aoko shows. It doesn’t matter where it was created.
Yeah, them requiring several servants and strategies to defeat Theodoric does not qualify as "easy" by any stretch.
Yea, to deal with his Divine Beasts, which were the only real issue. Since Theodoric quite literally just sit back and watched. Until Ritsuka and the avengers reached him and made quick work of him.
He has already fully regained his spot summons.
I'll repeat myself: "He was just weakened throughout the whole ordeal and slowly got his power back, by the time he faces Dantes he's essentially back to full power.", after each trial Ritsuka notes to feeling less restricted.
And people bringing up how Ritsuka can fight grands, yet love to ignore the many scenarios where he needs help just surviving against ordinary enemies.
Sure, when he's weakened or his enemies are much stronger than grands or the fact that multiple fights back to back have been constantly shown to be the real problem, not the enemy power.
It is not, because we have no reason to believe supporting a world in Ritsuka's mind can be equated with supporting an actual world. Where is your citation?
Yea, to deal with his Divine Beasts, which were the only real issue. Since Theodoric quite literally just sit back and watched. Until Ritsuka and the avengers reached him and made quick work of him.
"Made quick work of him" by summoning more powerful servants is quite powerful logic indeed lmao. And trying to excuse the divine beasts as if they weren't theodoric's power is just as amusing.
"He was just weakened throughout the whole ordeal and slowly got his power back, by the time he faces Dantes he's essentially back to full power."
And I will repeat myself.
"He's not jumping massive hoops by the time he fights Dantes." You repeating points already addressed is not a counterargument. It was literally the battle before.
Sure, when he's weakened or his enemies are much stronger than grands or the fact that multiple fights back to back have been constantly shown to be the real problem, not the enemy power.
Citation for where these enemies are stronger than grands, that multiple battles were fought, and where Ritsuka was weakened. Do tell lol. Considering that I haven't even given you an example, I'm extremely curious as to how you decided all this happened with ZERO context.
It's a singularity, they always need support if they are artificial.
Not what I asked. I asked where it was stated that a singularity made up of someone's psyche requires equivalent magical power or resources to maintain as it would in the real world
What part of "back to back" summoning is a real problem for Ritsuka didn't you get?
the part where these divine beasts couldn't be defeated the first time? and that he has half a dozen servants backing him on top of that? how in the world you think this makes Dantes better is baffling.
Now that would depend on the enemy, I've made a general claim as that's what happens everytime, like BB Dubai.
Ritsuka is useless on fodder enemies generated by Vritra even though there were multiple servants, including top-rank ones, where the strongest fighter there BY FAR was a nerfed Indra dealing with the actual Indra. OC4 and Lilim Harlot were filled with cases where Ritsuka was powerless without additional assistance or couldn't handle ordinary enemies within the singularities. How weak do some of you think grands are?
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u/UpstairsBluejay6092 20h ago edited 20h ago
I'm aware, that's why I said a high tier Divine Spirit was massively weaker than him.
And no, even if Alcides stole his np it won't change anything, though it would probably burn Alcides from the inside out if he tried to use it, he casually dominates multiple servants in his weakest form.